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Tuesday, June
30, 2009
Big Wave
Report
Dear Ed,
This is to report my progress and commitment to my big wave.
First thank you for volunteering to support my Big Wave.
I want to apologize about the delay in sending my progress toward my big
wave.
I feel a little stuck in writing the report. I miss the tribes and the
moment that we enjoy in Reno.
I was very sad about the tribe here. In the beginning there were 6
members and two dropped. I feel sad [that we might] not have four people
to continue the tribe.
We schedule
one meeting and the other members didn’t show up. The other week we
schedule another meeting and no one sent the confirmation that they
would show up. I feel very sad of not having enough people to continue
the process. I feel the feelings of sadness and I receive an e-mail that
one person had a personal problem and [another] that she would
participate in the meeting. Awesome!
We decide to
continue the Tribe and we have our meeting this Thursday.
Since the last report I have ten signals in my system and I followed
every signal. One signal I put the other the next day, because I need to
put the order in a longer contract. I’m sorry supporters. I start to
feel some feelings about the direction of the market and think about
cover the profitable positions that I had. I feel the feeling and they
go away. I’m thinking about some improvement about my progress about my
big wave. The variance report that Ed wrote in the book. Does anyone
have any suggestions?
About my last report, I want to thank Ed about the answer. First if
someone wants help first I need to hear them request. Awesome Ed. In one
phrase you guide me. Thank you.
The relationship with my daughter and wife is improving. I’m accepting
them the way they are. I respect them and I try not to correct my wife
the way she raises our daughter. I miss them because my wife and
daughter are traveling now.
I want to share with the supporters that I sent the request to CVM ...
to have the authorization to open a fund here in Brazil. I’m waiting for
this authorization to open my systematic fund here and raise money to
manage.
Thank you for supporting me in my Big Wave.
My Big Wave is
- Stick to my system
- I have a wonderful relationship with my wife and daughter
- I accept the others the way they are.
Support:
- You (being one of the important people) I’m my support team.
- My tribe
- My family
Measurement:
- I commit to send a spreadsheet every two weeks contains the trades
generate by my system and the execution.
- I have a dinner with my family every Wednesday and we go out one day
on Saturday or Sunday. |
Thank you for sharing your process. |
Monday, June
29, 2009
Hyper-Inflation Video
Dear Ed,
If you've got the time to listen to this video on hyperinflation will
get an understandable feel for where we are going. It's not pleasant to
be compared to 2009 Zimbabwe and 1922 Germany.
I checked out one item: the cost of living index from 1913 to now. My
figures taken from the US Bureau of Labor Statistics website show that
something your great grandfather bought in January, 1913 for 9.8 cents
will cost you $2.13 today. I think that works out to 2171% inflation. I
know that a pack of Wrigley's chewing gum cost a couple of cents in 1913
and it's around a dollar today, so that checks out.
But that's not the whole story. If you peruse the chart dates, you'll
see that inflation in January, 1971 based on 1913 was relatively
small—only 22.4 times. Then Nixon took us off the gold standard in 1971.
The new fiat money is just starting to trickle into circulation. As Al
Jolson said (in 1928's "The Jazz Singer"), "You Ain't Seen Nuthin Yet!".
But why take my figures as gospel?
Anyone have any ideas on the best way to weather this? (besides the
obvious—buying silver and gold) Are commodity stocks a good play?
http://inflation.us/videos.html
|
Thank you for the clip.
You might bear in mind that even if
we are heading into hyper-inflation, the path may lead through
substantial corrections and draw-downs.
Risk control, including proper
position sizing, is essential.

Drinking out of a Fire Hydrant
Sometimes too much of a good thing
can knock you off balance.
Clip:
http://www.loftsinthelou.com/uploaded_images/
loft_tour_st_louis-711370.jpg
|
Monday, June
29, 2009
Heat and
Margin
Thanks Ed,
I might not have been clear in what I was really trying to ask you. We
really don't have fear in that sense and are very comfortable with
draw-downs. I like to say we don't really have a trading style that we
are comfortable with. In our firm we just create various algos designed
to take advantage of various market conditions for institutions who are
typically very well diversified not only in non-correlated markets but
also strategy - trend following, mean reversion, arb, etc. In short, we
create betting models and let the clients pick whether they want to
maximize returns or minimize volume. If they want to push we push. We
won't make that decision for them. I think that is really an edge for
us. We won't pander returns to the industry and try to gain investors by
showing how we have higher returns with less volume than competitors.
As you know,
it is really just a knob to turn and at the end of the day anyone who
believes in the power of well diversified non-predictive trend following
has to believe that we are all doing the same thing just a little
different mostly in terms of money and trade management. But we are all
profiting from the same trends in essence.
I guess what I was really trying to ask is what kind of heat numbers do
you find to be reasonable for typical well diversified 30 or so liquid
futures instruments. I think most who have tested these types of systems
would agree that when a system is profitable, heats of anywhere from
15-30% show quite well. But then there is margin to equity and its
relationship to cash which needs to be available to take heat.
In that
respect there will tend to be a range as well from as little as 5% to as
much as 50% or more depending on heat and how many trades on at once
there tend to be. In our newest (old) model we just back tested which
was traded live for a decade but never fully tested, we are trading 30
instruments and have seen an average of 15 simultaneous with a high of
20 simultaneous instruments trading at once throughout the test period.
So I wanted to ask what your thoughts are on heat and margin for these
types of systems assuming you have high model confidence due to
exhaustive robustness measures. In your long term trend trading algos
for example, what kinds of heat and margin numbers are you faced with
and what are your thoughts on "over pushing" so as to create potential
margin calls or running low on cash so as to have to adjust trade sizes,
etc. (again, assuming trade size is constantly adjusted up and down as
equity rises and falls of course)?
Always nice to
know the company you keep in these respects. It has always been a matter
of curiosity to me. That is to say, how much is too much and how much is
too little when considering these tradeoffs. It just isn't as simple as
a comfort level in my view... |
"FAQ
does not ...
offer specific trading advice, or
recommend specific trading system parameters." - FAQ Ground Rules
You can likely answer your questions
for yourself by back-testing.
If you would like private
consulting, check the terms at the bottom of the FAQ Ground Rules link,
above.
|
Monday, June
29, 2009
MAR of 49 /
Gain of 2500%
Ed,
Please see the excel sheet ledger from my account with IG-index plc.
They clearly show a 2596% gain over the most recent 2 year
period.
Important note:
During the early part of this report, most of my funds were with other
brokers, and I can provide data from these accounts if you feel you need
to see more.
Also there is a zipped file with statements which I have lined up to
correspond to the dates that withdrawals and payments were made.
The excel sheet has six pages
1. Withdrawals (2 years of data, showing withdrawals, payments, account
balances from the attached statements)
2. Chart of actual profit ( account balance + running total of
withdrawals) less monies added)
3. Sterling (Raw data, showing every trades profit and loss from the
unedited ledger since 2002)
4. Euro
5. Dollar ( euro and dollar have been ignored due to virtually no trades
in them)
6. Ratios
Later this week I can provide copies of bank receipts to prove when
these payments were sent from the account above.
The approximate MAR computes to 49.42
Rebasing this account to provide exact MAR and other ratios and
draw-downs on a day to day basis is a task that would take me months
to compute.
I hope you will be satisfied with what you have seen here.
Included in this report are the profits from my beta testing a system
which I renamed the "October system" which was printing 2-3% a day
during the vicious market period of October 2008. It has since become
less effective while the market is quiet, hence I am not using it but
just monitoring conditions until they are suitable again. (Best day was
around 425 points profit from FT-SE100 futures)
I am flexible if you decide that you want this model to be engaged again
during high volatility market conditions.
Please also remember, I am offering you a guaranteed investment during
the trial period if you choose to take this option.
In reality, you can expect returns of between 20% and 500% on a larger
account depending on market conditions.
But also I caution you that many of the stocks I trade are small-caps
and cannot absorb large deal sizes, so if the funds you intend to place
are greater than approx £500,000, the respective percentage returns will
generally be lower than if you place funds of £150,000.
There are more accounts I have to go through including a 7 month period
where I was running a fund pilot scheme for a client.
It returned 25.4% over this period and I have kept meticulous records
from this period, so will be able to give very accurate ratios for that.
Please advise what else you require in the way of information.
|
Upon checking over the materials I
notice, on your performance graph a drawdown in early 2008 from about
£4000 to about £1500 - or about 60%.
I notice a subsequent deposit of
about £2000 that increases the account to about £3500 - and
that this seems to count as a 133% performance increase.
The "brokerage statements" that
support the graph have no brokerage house logo - or way to verify their
authenticity, they look like some sort of abstracts.
The statement that details the early
2008 transactions is conspicuously absent from your materials.
Industry standard MAR is typically
in the range of 0.5 to 1.5, nowhere near 50.0.
All in all, your presentation is not
within any professional reporting standards with which I am familiar.
You might consider hiring an
accountant with experience in this area to assist you to achieve
conformity.
You might also consider taking your
feelings of <anger>, <authority> and <having to conform> to Tribe.

Where You Find
Non-Conformity
you typically find anger.
Clip:
http://www.vecernji.hr/system/galleries/
pics/060525/a-borat3.jpg |
Monday, June
29, 2009
Suspicion
Dear Ed,
I feel that the positive intention of "Suspicion" might be to guide us
toward a probable lead.
What is the positive intention of "Suspicion?"
|
You might consider taking your
feelings about <suspicion> to tribe.

One Positive Intention of Suspicion
is to increase focus.
Clip:
http://www.independent.co.uk/multimedia/
archive/00108/above-suspicion_108927s.jpg |
Monday, June
29, 2009
Deflation
Dear Ed,
[I am reading
an article on deflation.]
This article
postulates that the money supply is shrinking despite the stimulus and
printing efforts.
Essentially, the money supply is made up of the monetary base (physical
money and bank reserves), bank loans, securitized debt, and derivatives.
The Federal Reserve exerts direct control over the monetary base and
indirect control on bank lending.
The Federal Reserve has no control over securitized debt or derivatives.
Purportedly, securitized debt and derivatives dwarf the monetary base
and bank loans by a factor of 13 to 1.
So even if you are pumping in excessively on the 1 side, contraction of
the 13 overwhelms the Fed’s efforts.
Is it time to develop more intelligent short systems?
|
You might consider looking over the
Milk Glass Game on my web site (EcoNowMics, above).
In this framework, we have a system of levels and rates. This system
does a pretty good job of explaining dynamic behavior whereas the causal
model does not provide much insight.
I wonder if you can enumerate each of the variables in your article,
such as monetary base, loans, bank reserves, derivatives, etc. and
define them with a diagram that shows which are the key levels and what
policies control the flow rates into and out of them.
At that point, we might proceed to simulate the model and see if the
assumption set produces behavior that is similar to that which we
observe historically.
At that point I might be better able to determine if the assumptions
lead to an inflationary or deflationary cycle, or maybe both at the same
time.
For example we might have real wages and real-estate going one way and
the prices of raw materials and energy going another way.
This is possible in the case where the economic system acts to bring
real wages in line with real productivity.
By the way, the original meaning of inflation
has to do with the printing of currency and only secondarily with the
price level.
One policy which the current administration seems to be following is to
respond to high unemployment and/or low credit levels by increasing the
spending rate.
I am currently working toward developing such models, and toward
developing tools with which to develop such models.
I welcome your participation in this work.
I do not know the meaning of a "more intelligent" short system, other
than to guess it is one that processes fundamental information
and uses that processing to modify trend-following parameters.
I feel that the feedback dynamics modeling approach might be useful in
this regard - although the process of building useful models
might require considerable patience and diligence.
Until I see some clarification of the meanings of the monetary
aggregates in the context of a complete model of the economy, I do not
have a basis for guessing how they are evolving.
Incidentally, the debt-contraction model might also like to include the
role of capital reserve flows in determining currency exchange rates.
You might consider if your thoughts about "switching to the short side"
are responses to real and deep insights and understanding about the
economy or if they are responses to the short-term wiggles in your
equity line. |
Monday, June
29, 2009
Grandson on
Myth Busters
Hello IVTT Members,
On June 4 at an IVTT meeting Ed updates us on the physics community’s
increasingly positive reception to his Radial Momentum work. He
mention’s the MythBusters TV series as a possible way to focus attention
on the Bernoulli Myth – that the decrease in the pressure of the stream
of air moving over the airfoil explains lift – and to explore the Radial
Momentum alternative. A FAQ reader also comments on this possibility on
June 8.
My grandson recently visits the MythBusters on location with a relative
who is with Cal Fire (MythBusters Adam and Jamie are going to play with
fire, as you might guess). For a kid this experience is close to heaven!
Now that I think of it, I bet a lot of us adults feel that way too!

The
MythBusters audience seems to like explosions, bullets, fire, danger and
of course, skepticism and busted myths. Ideas for episodes often come
from viewers. Those most likely to get tested are sometimes presented in
the form of a video showing a mock MythBusters episode in which the
viewers test the myth at some level that entices Adam and Jamie to amp
it up on the air with their resources.
For example, two Dutch guys send the MythBusters a video showing a
garage-level test of the myth that it is impossible to separate two
phone books whose pages have been interleaved. Adam and Jamie use ropes,
teams, and cars trying to separate the phone books with no luck. Finally
they get a battle tank and an armored personnel carrier involved and
record on a gauge that it takes 8,000 pounds of tension to finally tear
the phone books apart. “Goo’ stuff” as my Brazilian friend says.
Maybe we can present the Bernoulli Myth / Radial Momentum in a form that
challenges MythBusters in similar fashion. |
The Myth Busters guys seem to like
things that go boom. I am mulling the idea of a way to make radial
Momentum go boom too.

TT-Myth-Busters
explodes the myth
that you can soft-boil eggs
on an atomic grill.
Clip:
http://www.radgraphics.net/images/
main/atomic%20explosion%20-%204.jpg
|
Monday, June
29, 2009
The Why Game
Dear Ed,
I have a son who is about 3.5 years old. He asks “why” questions many
times throughout the day. I try to explain to him that I have a tough
time answering why questions, that why questions fit with the causal
model and I view the world as more complex than simple cause and effect.
I notice that my wife at times answers his why questions and quickly
finds herself in a seemingly endless why question loop.
I am hesitant to play the why question game where I repeat why questions
to him and see who gives up first.
What might be some age appropriate ways of discussing this issue with my
son? |
You might consider answering
each why question with the question "Why Not?"
If you are consistent and stick exactly to this plan, your son is likely
to see the futility of the game.

People Who Ask Why Questions
are Whys Guys
Clip:
http://www.lesko.com/images/rev2/
meet-matthew.jpg |
Monday, June
29, 2009
Wife Starts to
Change
Dear Ed,
I report on my Big Wave (“I give my wife and my children all my love and
support”).
It is the first week after my visit to IV and [City].
The first days
she [was] slamming doors, [making] remarks about the futility of my
effort to change, [and I am] wondering about what she feels for me.
On Saturday, I discuss with my wife what I expect from a relationship:
to be open, to share emotions, to talk about our needs and our feelings,
to help the other person grow.
My wife
mentions that she remembers her first relationship to be that way. I
always wished to have that kind of relationship with my wife, and I
remember it being this way at the beginning.
However, in my
marriage I [have] experienced mostly frustration, loneliness and the
need to fix the other person. I covered my sadness with immense anger,
retiring and shutting down. I did not take care of her feelings anymore.
The reasons why she felt in love with me were not present. But at the
same time, as I worked on frustration, anger and “I fix people” on the
hotseat, my wife [was becoming less attracted to me].
Now, I just do not need a relationship where my partner shuts down or
leaves the room when I try to discuss problems. Furthermore, I learn to
present the “problems” in a way that my partner can accept, and I also
learn to receive her feelings about the same issue. The start is
difficult and clumsy, like learning a new language. I know that it can
improve with practice, if this is what I want.
I say to her “I wonder about what you said, that you do not find me
physically attractive, that you cannot define what you feel for me”. She
mentions that “attractive” for her means understanding and acceptance,
taking care of the other person, what I showed right from the start. In
this sense, she finds me attractive. And regarding love: after the last
months, were I literally started packing my luggage to leave her, she
needs some time to sort out her feelings. I understand it and accept it.
I observe huge changes in our interaction. I also observe quantifiable
changes in very intimates areas; maybe you prefer to believe me,
although I don't want to report the details.
I remember Ed
talking about three weeks to develop a new communication style with my
wife. I observe the development in the ever changing moment of now.
I thank you for your support. |
Thank you for sharing your
process.

Changing Yourself
is usually the best
and only way
to change someone else.
Clip:
http://www.idealgiftguide.com/
women_givingflowers.JPG
|
Sunday, June
28, 2009
IVTT
End-Of-Term Report
Goals,
Process and Intimacy
Dear Ed,
Having just completed the recent IVTT series, I must report that it was
the most powerful Trading Tribe experience I have ever been a part of in
the past 3 years.
For me, combining “Goal Orientation” & “Process Orientation” together,
created the most tangible and rapid professional success I have ever
enjoyed.
I completed more professionally during this spring than ever before.
Thank you to Ed for creating the process, and thank you fellow Tribe
members for all your care and support!
In addition to the extensive professional growth I have seen, my
relationships with loved ones around me are changing. This “remote” and
“unintended” transformation of family members has been remarkable.
Loved ones and I are sharing more intimacy and honesty than ever before.
I wish all my fellow Tribe members happiness and success. |
Thank you for sharing your process. |
Sunday, June
28, 2009
Quotable
Quotes
Dear Ed,
Thought you
would enjoy this:

Some quotes in
the attached file are extremely thought provoking. |
Thank you for the words from
and to the wise. |
Saturday, June
27, 2009
Less
Cussing and Fussing
Dear Ed,
Thank you for reading my report. I am still recovering from the Rock
Process.
I am enjoying
my adjustment. I stop cursing, drinking, throwing garbage and [start]
receiving woman little by little. My assistant is very tough to receive,
but it's happening little by little everyday. I enjoy a challenge.
I am happy
[now] in the morning. I do have one more tough issue I am trying to
reprogram. I am confident I will prevail. I want to achieve zero
variance in my brain.
Thank you and let's keep in touch! |
Thank you for sharing your
process. |
Saturday, June
27, 2009
Wants a
Return Link
Dear Ed,
It might be useful to add the < Date > and << Previous ... Next >>
control at the bottom of FAQ posts so that readers need not scroll to
the top to jump to the next page. |
FAQ pages run from earliest
(at the bottom) to most recent (at the top).
You can try reading them from bottom to top.
Otherwise, you may now find a "back to the future" link at the bottom of
this page. |
Saturday, June
27, 2009
Error in
FAQ
see previous
Dear Ed,
In the FAQ
posted for Friday, June 12, 2009: “Strategy and System” there appears to
be an incomplete sentence:
“System as the overall mechanism that contains your strategy and the
rest of the feedback system that surrounds it. “ |
Thank you for the catch.
The entry now stands with corrections. |
Saturday, June
27, 2009
Positive
and Negative
Dear All,
Thanks for being part of my support team.
I [would] like to thank Ed for his reply:
"I wonder how you know that you are 85% of the way toward something that
you do not know about".
See: Completion Percentage
http://www.seykota.com/tribe/FAQ/
2009_June/01/Index.htm
I realize that I have just added additional measure(s), not part of my
original Big Wave, which have an impact on my progress and the way I
think / act.
In other words I see how I have been trying to pre-figure out goal (s)
and how completion percentage is a negative feedback loop.
I commit to experience exponential growth in my Big Wave.
I intend to manage the process with control-free measures that
facilitate whatever comes out.
I see negative feedback loops as a cool choice in certain type of
systems.
After realizing that somehow I have been restricting my creativity, one
idea pops into my mind about trailing stops. I test it and boom! I make
an interesting discovery and a sensible progress on finalizing my
trading system.
Cool, Cool, Cool.
Recently I recall the below steps:
*) I get
clarity on logical stops
*) I have a meeting with an old-friend, part of my Support Network.
*) I receive a proposal to manage a Fund (internally).
*) I have STELLA, I build some models
*) I finished Road Map 7 (System Dynamics)
*) I am receiving my girlfriend and supporting her.
|
Thank you for sharing your
process. |
Friday, June
26, 2009
Less
Alcohol - More Aliveness
Hi Ed,
I just read [a Tribe members] post to FAQ dated June 14 “Engine Runs on
Less Alcohol.”
It is very well written, expressive, personal and deep. I am happy to be
one of the receivers at the Tribe meeting mentioned in the post and to
be one of the continuing strong supporters.
The comments help me to reflect on a similar change in my life since
joining the Tribe. I have stopped using alcohol entirely, without any
need for strong willpower or programs, since learning and engaging in
TTP. The desire to shut down feelings with red wine, my poison of
choice, simply went away. I had an epiphany of sorts one evening a few
weeks ago.
Walking in the forest, I came upon a clearing with a view of
a beautiful sunset. Something clicked inside my head. My Fred said
quietly to CM “this is how I want to live the rest of my life” (meaning
sober and fully in touch with every sensation, sight, sound and smell).
I changed instantly.
It is so satisfying to wake up in the morning completely sober, in touch
with my feelings and my environment and my wife and my dog and my
neighbors and my friends.
I can hardly
remember the stress that I put on myself, the drive and urgency to
achieve and the dramas that I played out over my own insecurities that
led me to work like a madman in the days and drown my feelings after
work in wine. The story helps me to put this all in perspective.
Thank you for sharing your process. And thank you Ed and IV Tribe for
your support. |
Thank you for sharing your
process. |
Friday, June
26, 2009
Wondering
About the Essentials
Ed,
I read your "Essentials" card. I wonder if you would elaborate on
"Manage Your Risk."
I also wonder if "File the News" is equal to "Ignore the News". |
The card carries the
essentials - universal principles - the details are up to you. |
Friday, June
26, 2009
Back Test
see
previous -
Skid
Thanks Ed,
Yes, our models are not intraday. And what you say has also been our
experience. If you find an intraday automated trend following model that
works well at least from 95 through the "M" (S&P curve from
tech-boom/bust/credit-boom/bust), let us know - we will buy it. LOL.
Thanks for the insight on the skid-marks. Ouch. Interestingly we have
been using 10-20% of ATR as a guide in the dark depending on liquidity
of the instrument and it seems right from our experience. Then again I
think it is too much for long term trading which isn't automated. I feel
confident that I could work most orders with no slippage fairly easily
in any market that trades 20K a day or more at day session times of
course.
What are your
thoughts on slippage specifically for longer term classic non-predictive
trend models? Again, we designed the model in question to trade
optimally at 100M equity with trade entries and exits spread across 12
models to stagger which creates typical lot sizes of 50 per instrument
or so at that equity. We are trading no markets less liquid than 20K
contracts per day.
On another note, I wonder if you would share some thoughts on margin to
equity for long term trend models. We tend to like to tailor risk models
for every client who will invariably differ wildly in terms of higher
returns vs. lower volatility needs.
In general we
always like to push as hard as possible in the interest of absolute
returns for those so inclined. Then again, overreliance on past
performance is always a trap as well. That said, I can't help but wish I
would have pushed harder when I see the model take it in stride year
after year.
So...how much
is too much? Our best LT model could have relatively easily traded at
50% margin for the last 20 years but it scares us to death. Then we look
at our competitors and they are all trading mostly 15-25% margin in the
longer term trend arena.
Our standard deviation numbers are great as is
the robustness of the 12 non-correlated models weaving in and out of the
31 liquid markets we trade in it, and yet we still have fear (where's
Murphy?) of having to adjust trade size too much due to depleted cash
just when that happened to be the trend of the decade.
Thoughts? |
You can answer your own
questions by back-testing - and by evaluating the results emotionally -
to determine if you can stick to your system once you implement it.

Eating Oysters, Like Following a System
may work better in theory
than in practice.
Clip:
http://www.gotravel24.com/files/
Eating_Oyster.jpg |
Friday, June
26, 2009
EcoNowMics
Evolves
Dear Ed,
I notice that your EcoNowMics pages are evolving. I find the new
organization easier to follow, but I find it difficult to keep track of
what is new information you add and what is information I re-read in a
different place on the same page.
|
To keep up to date with
EcoNowMics, and to keep up to date with all your relationships, you
might consider implementing a policy of frequent check-in.

Frequent Check-Ins
support intimacy.
Clip:
http://www.lockandloadsafe.com/images/
man_on_phone2.jpg |
Friday, June
26, 2009
Complaining as a Drama Clue
Dear Ed,
If I notice I am complaining about something frequently, that is a big
clue I may be involved in a drama that I am pretending I don't like.
Have a lovely day. |
Thank you for sharing this
insight. |
Thursday, June
25, 2009
Sad About
Relating to the Mother Land
Dear Ed,
Twenty years ago today I emigrate from the Soviet Union. I notice many
feelings that come up as I reflect on the memories of my choices.
I feel grateful for the opportunities that I have in the free world.
Even simple things. I walk in a supermarket and see an abundance of
food. I have my choice of food in different styles, different budgets,
different quality. I remember empty store shelves and lines and ration
cards in 1980s' Moscow. I feel gratitude for having the benefit of an
economy that can support this abundance.
I notice that few people in my birth country like to experience their
feelings, and fewer still like to receive other people's. I notice how
happy I am to live in a society can support personal growth if I chose
to pursue it.
I notice sadness. I am sad that my relationship with the motherland
doesn't work out. I am sad that I feel uncomfortable in a country where
my ancestors live as far back as I can trace my family history. I am sad
for the associations I sever when I go through the Iron Curtain.
I notice this sadness for the first time in 20 years. I see that I am
willing to feel anger about my experience but not sadness. I also notice
that resisting sadness and not letting go of what I leave
behind 20 years ago drives big dramas in my life. In Hotel California,
you can check out but you can never leave. In Soviet Russia, I can leave
but I can never check out--until I am wiling to experience the
sadness.
Today is a sad day for me.
Thank you Ed
for helping me feel the sadness and for teaching me to let go. |
Thank you for sharing your
feelings. |
Thursday, June
25, 2009
Future as
Medication
Dear Ed,
Hi and thanks
for the discussions.
http://www.wimp.com/happinesssecret/
Your thoughts are... ?
|
The speaker cites the policy
that controls the relative consumption and savings rates - as a major
determinant of success.
The application of this policy occurs in the now and only in the now.
Framing the policy in terms of "future" planning is unnecessary and
confusing. |
Thursday, June
25, 2009
Cleaning Up
Language
See
Previous
Dear Ed:
Thank you for sharing. I notice I stopped using cursing words and paying
attention all the time when I speak and write. I mentioned to other IV
members months back I wanted to stop using curse words and learn to
speak more appropriately.
|
Thank you for sharing your
process. |
Thursday, June
25, 2009
Having a
(Basket) Ball
Dear Big Wave Support Team,
My Big Wave is to be a Bodhisattva - someone who has great wisdom and
great compassion, and dedicates to service. The service I'd really
like to provide is to help people find happiness, especially through
engaging in "flow" activities by following their genuine passion -
what really means to them on a deep, emotional level.
Looking at the log, for the last month, the two activities that stand
out the most is
1)
basketball practice / games, and
2) TTP
meetings / email with group and support team.
The latter is
of no surprise as leader of the [City] Trading Tribe, but the former is
a shocker to even myself.
I gain a lot of clarity along the way in the last month. I [completed] a
3-page Word document that discusses the clarity I gain with respect to
my passion in basketball since it manifests itself as the activity I
engaging in most (I highlight the important points), and an Excel
spreadsheet that includes the log that I have been keeping (also
available in the [City] Trading Tribe Google group).
Thanks for your support.
|
Thank you for sharing your process. |
Thursday, June
25, 2009
Skid
Hi Ed,
Hope all is well with you. We are a successful futures trading group
with approximately $35M trading in long term trend following strategies.
We have
recently automated some older algos as well as built some new ones and
are taking on new capital up to $100M soon. We have traditionally traded
(and tested) using pit instruments and are trading in Globex more and
more, although still executing during peak day hours.
I'm looking
for a real easy generalized way to build slippage into our thinking so
as to decide on what best to report to clients for new models we roll
out given they are notional accounts. Of course in a perfect world we
would all like to understate our models then outperform with the kiss of
death being the opposite. Strange, but even with many years of real
world experience we still find ourselves wishing we could just stick a
percentage number on as a subtraction and be done with it.
All this said, in your experience, when you finish (or see) a long term
non-predictive trend following model that trades the 30 most liquid
futures contracts (nothing under 40K a day in ADV - all CME and CBOT
stuff), how much do you figure the notional backtested values are
overestimated. Keep in mind we are trading 12 individual models that
spread entries and exits out of course to where at a $100M account size
typical average trade sizes are running 50 cars or so. Of course we know
that there is a range of no slip in say the ES to what is sometimes
significant slippage with that size in say, Lean Hogs or something. But
again, I would love it if we could just look at a model and sort of
always know it is overstated by 10% or 25% or even 50%. Again, we can
visualize it and feel it in real trading but since we are newer to
automation we are trying to avoid having to write another algo for
slippage. Especially since it will never be accurate anyway as you well
know. Our theory is by using general estimating here we can avoid yet
another overfitting trap in the same way returns are a function of the
data and as such less reliable in terms of future prediction whereas in
our experience model volatility and consistency tend to be amazingly
accurate.
Any insight you can give us would be greatly appreciated. Again, I would
love to have your gut instinct above all else (although any detail would
be nice too). In other words if I sent you my return results and told
you I was going to trade a hundred million account in just the 30 most
liquid US instruments with entries and exits spread across 12 models,
but also said I had not adjusted for slippage at all, how much would you
guess I was overestimating returns? |
In general, you might set your
expectation for skid (transaction cost from fills that execute
beyond the stop level) to a benchmark of about 25% of the way from the
stop price to the extreme price of the day.
You might then track your actual
fills over all your trades, compare against your benchmark and make some
adjustments.
For low-frequency trading systems,
skid is not much of an issue. For high-frequency, high velocity
systems (day trading in particular) skid may present a formidable
problem.
I have as yet to see a profitable
long-term track record of an automatic day trading system.

Your Skid Problem Generally Increases
with velocity.
Clip:
http://www.fwditon.com/attachments/2006/
10/26/116191736967_skidMarks.jpg
|
Thursday, June
25, 2009
Milk Model
Evolves
Ed,
The evolution of the Milk Model is even better than last week.
Now I totally
feel and understand the concept of "feedback loop". |
Thank you for your support in
reporting your reactions - and in helping steer the project toward
clarity. |
Thursday, June
25, 2009
Updating
TTID
Hi Ed,
I hope all is well with you. It is a long time since I write.
Ed, I want so say thank you. Since I am trading small accounts and learn
about trading as well as myself, you are a guide, the light on my path.
Reading about other traders experiences and your responses to them,
listening to your songs or thinking what you might do facing different
challenges, is a great help on my path to be a professional trader. The
dream has changed in so many ways yet still remains the same.
Thank you so much for being there for all of us.
Today I update [our] Trading Tribe information in the Tribe Directory.
[We have] two members and is open to new applicants. I provide more
information in the Tribe Directory.
We have great results and can't thank you and the whole TT community
enough for all the hard work, support and guidance.
I see the path as a chart with many bull moves, retracements and
occasional declines. I find myself more willing to go with the flow
everyday. Life seems so natural now.
Ed, once again, thank you.
Best regards and good trading.

Practicing Bet Size
management
and risk
control.
|
You are welcome. Thank you for
your support. |
Thursday, June
25, 2009
Pro-Active
Ed,
What is a "pro active" response in dynamic system and / or in TTP?
In French
websites, "pro-activity" is a general concept of "anticipation."
In FAQ, it seems to be in opposition of "healing" or "therapy".
Thank you for everything Great Teacher. |
In the TTP Rocks Process, pro-active
responses are ones that include staying awake, sharing feelings, being
open to receiving others, saying what you want, etc.
Medicinal responses are ones that
include going unconscious and/or entraining methods to shut off
emotions.
During the TTP Rocks Process, we
come to supplement medicinal rocks with pro-active rocks. |
Thursday, June
25, 2009
Sincerity
and Openness
Ed,
The last few days I was wondering about my reports to FAQ. I am talking
about so [many] private issues (issues of my wife) and was uncertain
about the adequacy of it, trying to keep a balance between sincerity /
openness and exhibitionism. Then, I read the posting from Tuesday, June
23, 2009, Dealing With Father. Thank
you for answering my questions before I ask them. |
OK. |
Thursday, June
25, 2009
TTP Goes to
School
Dear Ed,
As I mentioned, I started using the technique with patients at our
Hospital. The first patient was a cancer survivor. Don't ask me how to
tell colleagues that on her I treated a case of severe purple back
tightness! Today I attend the second patient. She consults due to
fatigue after cancer treatment. I remember our discussion about helping
or fixing people. Doctors usually prescribe medicines or therapies to
reduce symptoms. This time I decide that her fatigue is not a problem
but [an opportunity]! As I allow her to talk about her feelings, I find
out that fatigue is protecting her from doing too many chores; after her
disease she wants to have time for herself, but her children and
grandchildren want her to help them. Fatigue helps her to avoid doing
things instead of saying plainly “no”. Fatigue is, indeed, helping her.
There is no pill to reduce fatigue suddenly, but I realize that, if
there would be one, it would a mistake to give one to her.
She talks further about her feelings. She feels a strong pressure in her
chest, it is anxiety and it impedes her enjoyment of a lot of things. I
test willingness several times. She wants to get rid of the pressure.
Hence, I offer to accompany her in her feelings. She has tears in her
eyes; I mention that crying is great and that she can cry if she wants.
I close the door and help her to feel the feeling. While she cries, she
shows the form “hand on her throat, other hand on her belly”. After our
first talk in IV I learn to use a certain “sorcery” and experience
myself what [the person on the] "hotseat" is feeling right now. I feel a
fist held tight in my chest and mention to her to make the fist tighter.
She increases the pressure for some time; then, I feel myself the
release of pressure. While she is motionless, I feel overwhelmed by
emotion and start crying. Some 5 seconds later SHE starts crying. It is
not the first time that I feel the outpour of emotion in my own body
before [the person on the] "hotseat" does.
Then, I start saying cool things. I wonder where I get these ideas from?
I mention “the pressure is OK, it is a part of you like the lung or the
hip, and it is so easy and so nice to accept it, just let it flow. Who
says that you should not allow the feeling of pressure, that it is bad?
Maybe it was mom, or dad, but they are not there anymore. Nobody can
judge if it is right or wrong, it is just your way to do things!” As I
tell her that, I am deeply moved. I am glad that her eyes are closed,
because I start crying again.
This shows me the intensity of the interchange between [the person on
the] "hotseat" and me. I find that not trying to fix her and accepting
her and her feelings is closer to TTP than my own “home-brew
control-centric hybrid”. However, I wonder how long a Hospital will
tolerate a doctor who:
1. Does not receipt pills,
2. Sustains that symptoms are GREAT,
3. Starts crying in front of his patients and
4. Mentions that he can feel the patient's feelings in
his own body…
I remember you
mentioning the differences between what I do and TTP. Hence, I need a
name for the technique. Until I can give it a better name, I call it
ED's (E-motional D-ynamic S-timulation).
I am open to any suggestion about technique, name or applications. |
Thank you for sharing your process.
In your pioneering, you might
consider the possibility that you can implement TTP (and variations of
it) more easily in "the real world" if you do it subtly and refrain from
calling attention to it.
In this way, patients may come to
you for your reputation and for the results you get while you do not
risk attracting interference from your school for implementing something
"new."

The Pioneer's Reward
is sometimes to get some
"pie-in-ear."
Clip:
http://api.ning.com/files/icE75stw9Kphf08Y
xCNIHI6UiRufZ5*yEe1N3wtH9YFfL3pkLGsIUh8QK
Mb4NQ1vWzo6rvzFmtWLqdh*eyO2*A3opDlWji4u/
RonScottPieFace.jpg?size=180&crop=1:1
|
Thursday, June
25, 2009
Puts Foot
Down
Last tribe meeting, I mentioned using the 5% solution with my kids, to
break up an argument.
In colloquial
terms, "I put my foot down". I basically silenced them both long enough
to query them individually and establish what was the tipping point in
the argument (one spit at the other). Then I prompted an apology, which
was accepted, and they were on their merry way. I didn't manipulate them
with an "old rock" behavior so much as use my authority constructively,
as opposed to blowing my stack. More about blowing my stack below.
Subsequently, when they have been non-compliant (getting ready to go out
in the car, get ready for bed, do chores), I ask them if they want to
play "that" game, the one where I ask them nicely over and over, and
they insist on refusing, over and over, and then I lose my temper. Most
times, they giggle, say "no, not that" and snap to. This is a new
resource, a new behavior and has shown some promise. My wife reminds me
I still have a ways to go in this area.
Tonight, I have a relapse of sorts, but remember to try new skills. Me
and two sons are riding home, they are arguing about a melted cheese
stick in the back seat. They start throwing stuff at each other. I ask
them about playing "that" game where they disobey after I ask nicely,
and then I lose my temper. They say no to the game, but keep acting out.
At one point, my 6 year old hits me sharply in the head. I yell loudly,
ragefully. I find a safe spot to pull over and get out and we talk. I
move all the stuff out of the back seat so they can't hit each other or
me. My 6 year old is crying, scared, wants a hug, so I embrace him. Soon
we are back on our way. I ask the 9 year old to ask me how I'm feeling
and he does. I tell him how I'm feeling, then ask him to repeat it back
to me. He does well. Then I ask the 6 year old how he is feeling. He is
scared from the arguing, wants a hug, etc., I mirror his feelings with
understanding.
We finally get home and they need to get ready for dinner, but
distracted with something, 9 year old goes to timeout for blatant
defiance. Later, when all 4 of us are eating, I start to explain what
happened. As soon as my wife says, "It's wrong to yell or curse at the
kids" I get testy and tell her to f*** off, you 're interrupting my
story. But It escalates instead. She starts telling me how wrong it is
to curse and yell and I respond, "I curse and yell because that's what
you want me to do, it's what I want to do. We do it because we like it."
Later, after
de-escalating, I explain and apologize, and true to form, my wife
interrupts my apology, corrects it, tells me what I did wrong. I point
out to 6 year old and 9 year old that this caused the most recent
outburst, the criticism aimed at the confessor before his confession has
been completed. I am able to do this without getting hot-quality angry.
I had the feeling soon after, "she sucks the life out of me". Thinking
of my tribe brothers comment, "something's going on if we pretend we
don't like it", I realize I like being sucked on, it's erotic, it makes
me feel alive. Just like the arguing creates the anxiety that makes me
feel alive, post-climactic arguing has a body flush of hormones, similar
to sex. Sounds like something Chief would say. So I say I don't like it,
but it's the most excitement I've had all day!
Minor point on children: television is a huge medicinal for kids
and should probably be avoided 100% for kids under 2 or 3.
I've been noticing my own medication pattern, too much espresso in the
day time (for focus, mental lift, stimulates creative fantasies about a
better life), taking Ambien at night to fall asleep. After extended
exercise, I sometimes medicate with low-quality food (eg, ice-cream). |
Thank you for sharing your process.

People Who Like to Argue
may also like to deny
they like to argue.
Clip:
http://dreamskynet.files.wordpress.com/
2007/08/couple-fighting.jpg
|
Wednesday,
June 24, 2009
Confronting
Childhood Abuse
Dear Ed,
Thank you for your continuing support. I continue to measure my
activity.
I notice a lag between my reports and a decline in my Big Wave activity.
I take the issue of procrastination as an entry point on the hot seat at
tribe. The chief guides me and we discover that I don't want to
disappoint people. We take the feeling of "disappointing others" and
work through the judges. I can now send my Big Wave report. This stuff
is pretty cool.
I confront my mother in person and my father via letter regarding our
relationship and the abuse. My father is “hurt” by my speaking openly
about the abuse and refuses to meet with me in person, so I send him a
letter. My mother starts to make excuses for why my father refuses to
meet with me and I recognize her role as the enabler continuing. I
notice that she’s very good at being an enabler. I have an agreement
with my mother to hear me out and then when I am finished she may have
as much time as she wants to say whatever she wants. I write down
everything I want to say to her so that I do not leave anything out. My
mother sits and is listening to me. I finish speaking. She does not
respond. She sits there glaring at me. The silence continues. She then
speaks for the first time and says, “Well, I think I’ve said everything
that I need to say.” I respond by stating that that was actually the
first thing that she’s said. She then picks probably the least of all
the abuses that I tell her about, and insists that that particular abuse
never happened. I say that just because she doesn’t remember does not
mean that it did not happen. She doesn’t deny any of the other abuses.
She is pissed. I ask her if there is anything else that she wants to say
and she says, “No.” I then tell her that I’m taking a 90-day vacation
from our relationship and that I do not want her to contact me during
that time. I tell her that I will contact her after the 90 days and then
we can decide what we both want to do at that point. I tell her that I
am willing and want to have an intimacy-based relationship and that I am
not willing to have a control-based relationship. She leaves.
I now write my father a letter and take a 90-day vacation from that
relationship.
I think that I may now understand my father's weird need to control the
people that he loves most. I am in my teens and I am going through the
contents of an old cedar chest. I find a picture of my father as a young
man. Next to him is a beautiful girl. She looks a great deal like him. I
take the picture to my father and ask him who she is. He tells me that
is a picture of his sister. I ask him where she is. He tells me the
story. He is extremely close to his sister growing up. He is a football
player in high school and she is a couple years younger and is a
cheerleader. They have a great relationship. He is driving the car. His
mother and sister are both sitting in the front seat. His mother is
sitting in the middle. His sister is playing with the door handle. It is
the kind of door handle the pushes forward to open rather than pulls to
open. He is driving around a mountain. He says he is probably driving
too fast. His sister does not have a seat belt on. She is playing with
the door handle when the door opens. She falls out of the car and down a
cliff and dies. He stops talking. He then continues and tells me that
years later he would often find himself sitting down and writing letters
to her as if she were still alive and then he'd realize that she was
dead. He does this many times. My father's control model may be that if
you don't control those you love, they die.
I have more understanding now. I cannot change my father, but I can
change myself and be willing to do the hard stuff like going through the
rocks process and taking the hot seat. Perhaps as I change for the
better that may change him.
I go to tribe and take the hot seat about feeling that rejection is bad
and that I don’t want to be rejected. The chief helps me find the Happy
judge. I notice the bad feelings about rejection dissipate. My wife
comes to the tribe meeting. She watches me take the hot seat. Her
participation is minimal. We talk about that at checkout. She notices
that she did not participate fully and says that she wants to. We are
driving home and she tells me that she is glad that she attended the
meeting and that her intention to go to meetings with me every other
week. I notice that issues of finding a baby sitter for our son
instantly dissipate so that both of us may attend tribe meetings at the
same time.
I think about Charles Faulkner and get his CD on Intuition. I listen to
it. Charles describes how you can learn from other people’s processes
and apply their process to whatever it is that you are doing. I am
programming a system and back testing it. I have a block. The program is
not working. I do some work with Road Maps and create more system
dynamic models using STELLA. I go back to programming and make some
progress. I hit another block. I solve some math problems. As Ed says,
“to solve a problem, solve a problem.” I notice this helps and I
continue programming. I get a little more done and then I have more
blocks. Bigger this time. I think about Charles' CD on Intuition. I call
a childhood friend who is a concert-level classical guitarist (he also
plays rock, jazz, and blues) and he agrees to meet with me so that I can
interview him about his process for learning a new and difficult piece
of music. He meets with me. He is describing his process for learning a
new piece of music. He tells me how he first takes the music in small
pieces and learns that small piece very well. He uses music theory to
find the most efficient finger movements to play the piece. He plays the
music very slowly to imprint the finger movements. After he masters that
small section of the music, he moves on to another section. He continues
this process. He sets no goals whatsoever. He simply continues the
process until he masters the piece.
He lives in the town that I grew up in and that my parents live. He
tells me he sees my father at the grocery store and that my father is
very rude to him. I tell him about my experiences growing up. He listens
to me. He then gets up and starts walking back and forth shaking his
head. He looks at me and says, “I never thought about it much at the
time, but I remember NOW my mother telling me several times. I mean she
said it a lot. She said, ‘I don’t think [Names]’s parents treat him very
well. Please tell [him] he is welcome over here anytime.’” He continues,
“[Name], she knew. She knew.” He is still walking back and forth. He
says that he is so sorry that he didn’t know. I say I’m better now. We
talk for a long time.
A tribe member tells me his process for programming. I don’t even
realize that he is sharing his process with me with the positive intent
of it helping me with my process. He is careful not to tell me what I
should do. He doesn't "should" all over me. He shares his process. He
tells me how he finds code that is already written that he can apply to
whatever he is trying to program. I am simply enjoying listening to him
talk and find what he says interesting. In that moment I am not aware
that he is actually helping me. I actually think that I am helping him
by being a good receiver.
I now decide to write a simpler trading program and back test it. I
notice that I’m just working on one little piece at a time. I notice I’m
reading through programming manuals looking for the most efficient means
of writing the code. I notice that I’m looking at the programming code
for other computerized trading systems and find some strings of code
that are exactly what I need. I finish programming and run the program.
It works! I back test it and change the inputs. I do some optimizing.
The programming works. The trading system is not that good, but that’s
OK. I am learning more and more about how to program and can now apply
what I’ve learned and continue my process of doing all of Ed’s trading
tutorials on the TTP Website.
I find myself gravitating toward more people that express willingness to
be in the moment of NOW.
|
Thank you for sharing your process.

Child Abuse
hurts the child - and trains him
in the fine art
of delivering
child abuse.
Clip:
http://www.wunrn.com/news/2008/12_08/
12_01_08/120108_child2_files/image001.jpg
|
Wednesday,
June 24, 2009
Response to
Working with the Wife
(inter-Tribe
email)
Ed,
Thank you for sharing your experiences and feelings. You make tremendous
progress since the April TTP Workshop.
I am a receiver during your rocks process at the April Workshop. I am
also a receiver for your rocks process at the IV Tribe meeting last
week. At the beginning, last Thursday, a sinking feeling engulfs me as
you begin to descend into the same distressing signature form that got
us nowhere in April (back then I feel like calling for 911 emergency
services to take you away).
Then Thursday, under Ed’s skillful guidance and with encouragement from
Tribe members, you appear to reject the signature form and and open your
mind to new ideas. In the midst of your session when things stall, Ed
redirects the hot seat to another member with an issue that he says is
relevant to yours, encouraging you to be open to information that is
relevant to your own issue. To your credit, you pay close attention and
visibly fight your tendency to reject advice or information that seems
contrary to your established world view. When you return to the hot seat
you make real progress.
I empathize with your situation. Some of this must be painful. Your
willingness to deal with those feelings is admirable. Good luck and
please keep me informed. |
OK. |
Wednesday,
June 24, 2009
Working with the Wife
see
previous
Dear Ed,
I report on my Big Wave. I was one week abroad and participated at two
Tribe meetings in [City] and IV (that is the explanation of the delay in
my report). I went through two rock processes. Some Tribe members
mentioned that this traveling shows that I am very committed to do the
work. Indeed, it only shows my commitment to travel a lot and to sleep
less. The real demonstration of commitment are the results. Hence, I
report about them.
On the hotseat at IV I work on “rejection” and how to receive my wife's
feelings. I do not talk to my wife between the hotseat and my flight. As
I arrive, she has been reading old love letters from other guys and her
diaries and comparing her old relationships with the current. We have a
long talk. Succinctly, I hear that 1. She does not find me attractive,
2. She supposes that she was very in love with me at the beginning of
our relationship (I deduce that this is not the case anymore). This
information is somehow appalling to me.
The curious
part is that I mentioned her both issues several times before (“you
don't love me! You don't like me!”) and only generated evasive,
shutting down, rejection and her leaving the room. This time we have a
long conversation about the stuff. I suppose that this time I am
allowing her to express her real feelings about me. We commit to have a
longer conversation and find out what we both want from our
relationship.
I also observe that my children cuddle me more. I feel that the
communication with my son improves continuously. This was a major issue
to me, since I felt that my son was afraid of me even during casual
activities.
I keep on working. I thank you for your support. |
Thank you for sharing your process.

The Game of Rejection
requires two willing players.
Clip:
http://datelikeagrownup.com/blog/wp-
content/uploads/2009/04/man-kissing-woman-
not-happy.jpg
|
Tuesday, June
23, 2009
Dealing
With Father
(Post-Workshop
Report to Support Team)
Dear Ed,
I notice I have some hesitation in writing updates. I thank you all
again for your reports and updates on the progress in each of your
waves, and I thank you for your interest and support in mine.
I feel I am spending much more time with my father. We have been working
together on many things and I feel very supported.
Since my last update, we have been regularly going out to dinner as well
as making time for dinner at home together and frequent conversations.
I notice I do not feel the same anger coming from him and do not feel
feelings of confusion over his sporadic strange behavior. I feel more
attracted to the idea of opening up and sharing my feelings with him.
About a month ago, I am invited to prepare a speech to present to the
rotary club about being the valedictorian of my school. One of the
prompts I touch on asks about my toughest obstacles growing up – here is
a part of the speech:
“I believe both my greatest gift and greatest challenge has been my
relationship with my father and life at home. I moved in with my father
when I was five years old and I felt as though it was my older brother
and me against the world. I remember being very afraid of my father for
many of my early years. I learned to be very independent. In many ways
my father and I grew up together. For much of my life, I was terrified
of him, afraid of confrontation, afraid of being a burden. He was not at
all like other fathers I knew, and I was afraid that I didn’t fit into
the picture my father had in his mind of his life and his agenda. When I
was in middle school, he often left me home alone for long periods of
time when he would go on trips, leaving me to figure out how to make
meals and get to school every morning. I lived with my friends through
much of this time; they were my extended family.
I felt I was a ripple in my father’s plan, not worth his time, his money
or his nurturing. I remember contemplating how I was going to tell him
that I wanted a haircut or that I needed my physical in school to play
sports, out of fear that he would respond with anger and that he would
question the cost. On many levels, I feel he was unaware of exactly how
to raise a daughter. We lived very separate lives and I learned from an
early age how to be myself and how to be self -sufficient. I feel that
much of my determination and drive arose from these experiences and
circumstances. From these experiences grew a desire to be successful in
my own sense of the word. From my upbringing, I want to achieve my goals
for me. To him I also owe much of my communication and confrontation
skills, desire for self growth and courage to challenge what is
presented. My father is sometimes neurotic, inconsistent, terrifying and
impossible to be close to. He is also sometimes impossible to reason
with and impossible to understand. But he is a brilliant man and we both
have made efforts toward growing inside ourselves and thus growing
closer to each other.
And to him I now go for all my questions of existence and the bigger
picture. His is my father and my greatest teacher. After researching the
ideas of success and contentment and talking to many people about what
they believe, I still have absolutely no idea. But I guess I believe
that contentment lies in purpose, in of finding what it is that you feel
you were put on this Earth to do. And I believe that many people spend
their whole lives seeking happiness and contentment, and they couple
this desire with an idea of success as if success leads to a permanent
state of happiness. Perhaps this is so, as long as the meaning of
success is revised from our culturally accepted definition. The one I’m
referring to is based in six-digit incomes, huge houses and expensive
cars. We label those people as successful who have achieved those goals,
but if those same people lack true purpose, they are often quite
undeniably unhappy.”
On the morning I am scheduled to present my speech, my father asks if he
can attend and watch me present. Although I feel some fear and still
notice some pain of the possibility of being misunderstood, I tell him
he is welcome to come and tell him there are some deep thoughts
regarding him and my relationship with him included in the speech.
I notice he is accepting of the circumstances and I feel his support
regardless of the circumstance. He says “it is what it is” and smiles.
After I am finished, he tells me he is proud of me and tells me I have
strength in writing and public speaking. I feel very close to him and
notice feeling appreciated and loved. This is a huge step for us because
I have many issues I deal with of feeling inadequate and unappreciated.
In the last days of school, I prepare my formal speech to address the
audience and my graduating class of [Name] high school. I feel much
support from my father in this process as well. I read a draft of my
speech and he acknowledges my strengths and offers very helpful and open
ended advice on how to make the theme in my speech more connected and
more powerful.
My Aunt and Uncle on my father’s side and my Mother, Sister and Grandma
all travel to be there for my graduation. I feel extremely supported
during this time and appreciate them taking time out of their lives to
be there. I notice I am very aware of the money that is being spent on
their trips. My father, my Aunt and Uncle offer to help me practice my
speaking speed and inflections the day before graduation. I appreciate
their love and willingness to be there with me.
My friends and I also schedule a brunch for our families the day of
graduation. My entire visiting family attends together and we celebrate
the day. I am overcome with feelings of love for my family and friends
and feelings of being supported and connected to my father. My father
plays a song he wrote for me on the guitar. It is a very emotional time
with many tears. It is beautiful.
My father and I are currently finalizing my college plans and I am
enjoying much communication and stability regarding financing my college
education. My father and I are also planning a three week trip together
to Europe in late august.
Thank you for your support in my progress with my father. |
Thank you for sharing your process.
I might venture a guess that your
father feels very lucky to have you for a daughter. |
Tuesday, June
23, 2009
Wants Data
Dear Ed,
I would like to write a program that duplicates the Donchian six month
system you have in the chart server section of your website. Would you
be so kind as to provide the data (S&P, 30-Bonds, Soybeans, Copper and
Eurodollar) you used in that system so I can recreate the results?
|
I do not know the whereabouts of
that data.
Perhaps the next time I update that
page, I can include a link to the data base. |
Tuesday, June
23, 2009
TA Software
Hi Ed,
I notice this
message on FAQ right now:
"Thank you for [the demo of your] TA software in such detail. It is a
dream come true! ..."
I don't
remember to read anything about it in the previous posts: I wonder if
you could provide some information about the cited software. |
This is proprietary software that I
sometimes share person-to-person with IV-Tribe members.
|
Tuesday, June
23, 2009
Response to
the Living Years
(Inter-Tribe email)
See
Previous
Dear Ed,
Thank you for the lyrics. I sense a lot of guilt and remorse in them,
and not a lot of letting go. The author talks about what he wishes he'd
done in the past, and how it will affect his future. I get the sense
that the author is training his child to repeat this cycle.
I contrast this with your feelings about your children which you share
with us. They are all in the now - both your children and your feelings.
Thank you for
sharing and for staying in the now. |
OK. |
Tuesday, June
23, 2009
The Living Years
Dear Ed,
I think of this song, about my father and my own children. Thanks
for sharing with me.
Video Clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=fIs9HFN7S58
The Living
Years
by Mike & The
Mechanics
Every generation
Blames the one before
And all of their frustrations
Come beating on your door
I know that I'm a prisoner
To all my father held so dear
I know that I'm a hostage
To all his hopes and fears
I just wish I could have told him in the
living years
Crumpled bits of paper
Filled with imperfect thought
Stilted conversations
I'm afraid that's all we've got
You say you just don't see it
He says its perfect sense
You just can't get agreement
In this present tense
We all talk a different language
Talking in defense
Say it loud, say it clear
You can listen as well as you hear
It's too late when we die
To admit we don't see eye to eye
So we open up a quarrel
Between the present and the past
We only sacrifice the future
It's the bitterness that lasts
So don't yield to the fortunes
You sometimes see as fate
It may have a new perspective
On a different day
And if you don't give up, and don't give in
You may just be o.k.
Say it loud, say it clear
You can listen as well as you hear
It's too late when we die
To admit we don't see eye to eye
I wasn't there that morning
When my father passed away
I didn't get to tell him
All the things I had to say
I think I caught his spirit
Later that same year
I'm sure I heard his echo
In my baby's new born tears
I just wish I could have told him in the living years
Say it loud, say it clear
You can listen as well as you hear
It's too late when we die
To admit we don't see eye to eye |
Thank you for sharing the song. |
Tuesday, June
23, 2009
Feelings
About Father's Day
Dear Ed,
On Father’s Day my two natural children call me with good wishes.
Daughter (25) is cheery as ever, calling from the road on her way back
to [City] as she returns from an outrigger canoe race in [Name] Beach
where her team takes 2nd place and she wins a “heavy medal.”
My son (27) calls from [City] where he now lives with his fiancé, a
Middle School sweetheart with whom he re-connected last year. She is a
delightful animal-loving person with a backyard menagerie. We all love
her and are very happy for Him. He is my son whose drug problems nearly
killed him in his later teen years. He is now fully recovered to my
knowledge, and gainfully employed as a master CNC machinist, a job that
fits his personality to a “T.”
My stepson
(37) does not call. The prior Friday we cross paths as I return my
grandchildren (his two kids), but we spend only minutes together. I am
sad that our relationship is not stronger. But, he is an excellent
father who spends a lot of quality time with his children. For that I am
grateful.
Thank you for triggering these feelings. They simmer below the surface
of CM for days but only now pop into awareness to the point that I can
experience them. |
Thank you for sharing your process. |
Tuesday, June
23, 2009
Training
Your Powers of Observation
Dear Ed,
I thought that after a Financial Crisis, you could use a few things to
note when investing:
Please spend
30 seconds to look at the picture ....then read the text below it.

If after 30
seconds you didn't notice a shark in the background, you probably need
to train your adversity quotient.
It is the same when investing, you always get attracted to those 'big'
returns...
Be careful of the lurking adversity.
|
OK. |
Tuesday, June
23, 2009
Photos of
Jet Aircraft
Dear Ed,
Thought you
might like this:
LoveAffairwiththeair.pps (Slide
Show)
Regarding your work on Radial
Momentum, I like the new shots of your bubble - specifically slide
#10, 11, and 13.
|
OK. |
Tuesday, June
23, 2009
Tough Decision
Hello Mr. Ed
I am truly enjoying & learning a lot from FAQ's witty wisdom. Thanks for
sharing.
Meanwhile here's something on decision making dilemma.
---
A group of children were playing near two railway tracks, one still in
use while the other disused. Only one child played on the disused track,
the rest on the operational track.
The train is coming, and you are just beside the track interchange. You
can make the train change its course to the disused track and save most
of the kids. However, that would also mean the lone child playing by the
disused track would be sacrificed. Or would you rather let the train go
its way?
Let's take a pause to think what kind of decision we could make......
Most people might choose to divert the course of the train, and
sacrifice only one child. You might think the same way.
Exactly, to save most of the children at the expense of only one child
was rational decision most people would make, morally and emotionally.
But, have you ever thought that the child choosing to play on the
disused track had in fact made the right decision to play at a safe
place?
Nevertheless, he had to be sacrificed because of his ignorant friends
who chose to play where the danger was. This kind of dilemma happens
around us everyday.
In the office, community, in politics & especially in a democratic
society, the minority is often sacrificed for the interest of the
majority, no matter how foolish or ignorant the majority are, and how
farsighted and knowledgeable the minority are.
The child who chose not to play with the rest on the operational track
was sidelined. And in the case he was sacrificed, no one would shed a
tear for him.
The great critic Leo Velski Julian who told the story said he would not
try to change the course of the train because he believed that the kids
playing on the operational track should have known very well that track
was still in use, and that they should have run away if they heard the
train's sirens..
If the train was diverted, that lone child would definitely die because
he never thought the train could come over to that track! Moreover, that
track was not in use probably because it was not safe. If the train was
diverted to the track, we could put the lives of all passengers on board
at stake!
And in your attempt to save a few kids by sacrificing one child, you
might end up sacrificing hundreds of people to save these few kids.
While we are all aware that life is full of tough decisions that need to
be made, we may not realize that hasty decisions may not always be the
right one.
'Remember that what's right isn't always popular... and what's popular
isn't always right.'
 |
Thank you for your parable.
Tim Geithner
(Secretary of the Treasury)
Sometimes the best move
is to refrain from intervening.
Clip:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_xXIgKGI_4oo/
ScE2XTwLK6I/AAAAAAAAAAM/rrMYjN8qhk8/s320/
TimGeitner.jpg
|
Tuesday, June
23, 2009
Defending
What Is
Dear Ed,
I notice there
seems to be a lot of anger / frustration regarding the markets. I
am not sure this is the "big wave" I desire.
I have some old computer monitors - this could be a great new business
startup in this economic climate!
I notice these videos (one on FAQ) I think about anger and expressing
anger. I notice I feel numb, somewhat, in that I suppress a lot of
anger or medicate the anger. I wonder if I, in my current state
would have attended the Boston Tea Party or been aware I was getting
screwed by King George?
My favorite
all time movie and character is William
Wallace in Braveheart - to me, I relate with this character as he is
both sensitive but very focused and brave. I feel I want that balance
and utilize "righteous anger" when appropriate. "Righteous anger"
meaning anger that is appropriate in the face of injustice or to protect
myself, my family or country.
Clip:
http://www.youtube.com/
watch?v=WLrrBs8JBQo
I talk with my son this evening about paranoia when we work on the new
house together. We talk about the positive intention of paranoia to some
degree is to stay awake to protect ourselves, to remain vigilant or a
little leery of harm.
I think about
the rocks process last week also. [Name] taking ownership of the
mousse, the context of ownership, that something is mine and it is right
to take full ownership. That it is ok to protect and defend what
is mine. I feel anger is ok to protect what is mine, but humor can
work also. |
Thank you for sharing your process.
In the movie, Braveheart, William
Wallace (Mel Gibson) dares to go against the trend - and receives an
appropriate outcome.
You might consider taking your
feelings about <anger> and <insurgency> to Tribe.

Braveheart
You can prove your courage
by bucking the trend
and also
by riding with it.
Clip:
http://drrockshow.com/blog/
wp-content/uploads/2009/06/
braveheart.bmp |
Tuesday, June
23, 2009
Learning
About Dynamic Systems
Dear Ed,
I log 31 hours this week. I feel more and more confident in designing
models from scratch. I have developed a a great relationship with Stella
(software). She can be a bit complicated at times, but the more time I
spend on her the easier she becomes.
|
Thank you for sharing your process. |
Tuesday, June
23, 2009
Making
Emotions into Enemies
An e-mail from
an investment advisor:
You are not as
smart as you think you are
Our emotions are our biggest enemy, at least when it comes to
investing. We should all know this. If you don’t, stop making your
own investment decisions right now.
Our emotions lead us to do the opposite of what we should be doing. They
lead us to buy high and sell low. They make us excited when we should be
scared, and scared when we should be excited. They make us slaves to the
stock market; they let the market become our master.
|
In TTP we hold that all emotions
have positive intentions.
When you come to hold your emotions
as allies, rather than as enemies, you might discover yourself becoming
one with the flow. |
Tuesday, June
23, 2009
Becoming
The Jademaster
Dear Ed,
One day, the young man observes, "The stone I hold is not genuine Jade."
–Ed Seykota, The Trader's Window. Excerpt from Jack W. Schwager, The New
Market Wizards (New York: Harper Business, 1992), Prologue: “The
Jademaster”.
After ten 7+ hour life-changing meetings of the Incline Village Trading
Tribe, 60k miles flown, amazing new friendships, a bit of cooking, loads
of delightful musical jams, plenty of yard work, dozens of system
dynamics exercises, many rocks processes and nearly no discussion of
trading, I have the great pleasure of understanding what it means to be
the young man in the Jademaster story.
I am in Ed's yard raking pine needles all day, while imagining the
trading metaphor "raking in the profits...filling up the bags...with
money...bag after bag after bag".
I describe a trade in my discretionary account to Ed: Although I am
focused on other work at the moment of the trade, my attention is drawn
to my order entry screen. I enter the trade, naturally, without
hesitation, and with very little thought, and without feelings of greed
or fear, near the best price of the day. It is not impulsive - it is
something I simply need to do, and just do it. I enter my protective
stop & immediately move on to another activity, not thinking of the
trade again until I review my statement the next day and notice the
trade is substantially profitable.
Ed suggests noticing this trading state of mind - and I might imagine
trading only when I am in that state. No Fred's playground here - this
is the "stick to the system" state of mind.
It's very simple, if that's what you want.
Thank you again for your help & guidance,
|
Thank you for sharing your process.
|
Tuesday, June
23, 2009
Dealing With the Wife
Ed,
I am aware of the risk of interpreting my observations in a light that
favors me. But it is impossible to analyze a system from within. That is
why we cannot see our own issues and need a Tribe to resolve them. I am
therefore very thankful for any comments about my report, since you are
an external observer and can help me to identify my issues.
On Saturday, Ed and I have a very long conversation about my
relationship with my wife. I realize that some of my intents to help and
support her are just trying to fix her, and that it helps her to avoid
intimacy and show her feelings. We are both part of a well functioning
system without villain or victim. I commit to accept her the way she is,
and not to try to fix her.
The next day (I am still on my way home) she suddenly decides to open
all her old notebooks and read all the old love letters from / to
previous boyfriends. She never wrote me a love letter. I remember
writing her at the beginning of our relationship, but stopping after she
mentioned that she did not like this demonstration of affection. When I
am abroad, my wife does not call me by phone (my children do), and she
complaints if I call her more than every three or four days.
As I arrive home she mentions her observations about previous
relationships. She re-reads how deep in love she was with her last
boyfriend before me (she mentions that she presumes that she also was
very in love with me at the beginning of our relationship). It is
obvious to me that her feelings have changed. I remember mentioning
several times in the past that I am very in love with her, and [how] she
answers that love changes with time and she does not feel the same as
before.
She mentions that she does not know what her ideal man looks like. My
eyes go wider and wider. I say “I don't know if you find me attractive”.
Long pause. “I find you sweet”. I feel my stomach sink to my pelvis. She
mentions a part of me that she likes, and some things that she does not.
I feel attracted to her. I like her a lot. I remember her mentioning
some months ago “ich hab´ Dich lieb” (in German, the weakest form for
expressing affection [I am fond of you]). I wonder how it feels to have
intimacy with a guy you don't really like and maybe you don't really
love anymore.
I remember mentioning the issue “do you still love me? Do you like me?”
several times in the past and my wife reacting with evasiveness,
shutting down and leaving the room. Now I can express me wondering about
her feelings and leave her room to express them.
My wife mentions that the whole work with the kids (“trying to survive”)
leaves her no room or energy for affection or intimacy with me. In the
morning she is usually overwhelmed, hectic, and screams at the children
to leave the house on time. This morning she is not here. I wake up the
children 30 minutes later than usual. They are extremely cooperative.
They dress themselves alone, take their breakfast without making
trouble. I am completely calm. As they leave the house, nobody shouts;
they hug me and kiss me goodbye. Are our children so difficult to raise,
or are they helping her to experience life as an almost unbearable
suffering?
Her previous boyfriend ended the relationship due to her lack of
passion. I always thought that it was her limitation. I wonder how she
would feel with another guy. I wonder if another more open, more
receptive guy would make her feel better, f*** her better.
And here, I realize: I am thinking about fixing her. I am thinking about
her being happy and fulfilled the way I think a person should be happy
and fulfilled: emotionally, sexually, physically, financially. She can
experience what she will. She does not seem to have a problem with the
way she is. I am the one with the problem!
I realize that I have to take the issue “I have a fulfilling
relationship with my wife” to the Hotseat.
And I want to have a long and complete conversation with my wife about
what we both expect from our relationship.
Chief, you and the Tribe help me to do the work and make it possible. I
thank you.
|
Thank you for sharing your process.
As you continue on the path from
control-centric to intimacy-centric relating, you are likely to excite
new responses from your wife.
To the extent that you receive these
responses lovingly and supportively, she is likely to open up even more
to you.
To the extent that you insist that
she change her behavior, she is likely to withdraw.
From an Aesop Fable:
The North Wind
and the Sun want to find out who is the mightiest. They devise a
contest to see who can make a man take off his cloak ...

The North Wind Blows Mightily
and this acts to motivate the man
to pull his cloak
more tightly about him.

Then The Sun Shines Warmly and Gently
and the man removes his cloak.
Clips:
http://www.robertlpeters.com/
news/?p=1217
|
Tuesday, June
23, 2009
Performance
Report
see
previous
Hello Ed,
Thanks for your fast response. I have noted your comments.
I will prepare the report for you and tie in the withdrawals from the
accounts to the data otherwise it will appear as losses on the
statements.
But until this document is ready, here is an equity curve plot for your
attention.

There have been many different accounts and products traded and most of
the profits have been withdrawn, which is why this job will take a while
to compute.
The trading frequency is as I intended it to be while designing the
system. Longer term models have to endure larger drawdown's, which do
not suit my style.
My system produces approx 70 signals each day (unfiltered) and around 10
(when filtered).
I am monitoring around 3500 stocks on the LSE, at the end of each day I
slideshow through them and decide which signals I will take based the
following:
1. The quality of the current chart pattern when signaling a trend
change.
2. The current market overall conditions
3. My current gearing level
4. My risk
5 My net position.
6. My intensity level at the time based on my energy (at the moment it
is a quiet summer market and I am rather tired, hence size and
participation level reduced).
I have learned
to reduce activity while feeling tired, or suffer losses as a result
(until around August comment clarified).
I have observed over the years that the number of smooth clean trending
stocks is declining, as are the general score readings from the filters
I use. The reasons are due to increases in computer-bots trading and
electronic SETS dealing instead of the old market maker books.
(Observing in longer time frames, can improve the scores somewhat, but
does not suit my style due to large draw downs).
Signal to noise levels have dropped and continue to drop apart from when
a violent move develops.
Sadly I am chasing a declining number of "good stocks", which is the
root of the problem I am having to get the required risk amount in my
portfolio maintained at optimum levels.
My success is attributed mainly to being able to find stocks with good
trending qualities, and this is my edge.
I spend about £20,000 developing this system to automate the selection
process. Its basically a search engine for stocks. I designed it myself
and I employed a bright student friend to program it in VB.net.
This system gives me a nice edge over "regular traders" who may follow a
handful of stocks and just trade them, as this program is also able to
search out whatever criteria I need to find. I can send you some more
examples later.
Filtrations are as follows
1. Spread % (bid - ask)
2. Noise ( a short term indicator I devised to compute unwanted price
noise as opposed to "clean" price action
3. Noise 40 (which measures noise over 40 bars)
4. Signal to noise
5. Signal to noise over 40 bars
6 Volatility
7. Trend 10 ( measures the cleanliness of the current trend, E.G if a
stock rose X% every day for 10 days, the maximum score would be achieved
)
8 Trend 30
9 Count ( Number of trades on each day)
10. Average count
11. Frequency ( in this case F = number of bars between trend changes
based on the system)
12. Contramove ( Measures the maximum % swing contrary to the underlying
system trend position)
13. Activity ( measures the number of unchanged days a stock has )
14. K potential ( computes the Kelly ratio for each stock based on the
system)
15. F potential
When all
filters are computed they remove about 60 stocks from the 70, leaving me
with the best ones. I do not take every signal, and I do not
automatically reverse from long to shot.
|
Thank you for your materials.
The materials as they stand do not
demonstrate your MAR or prove any of your claims by associating them
with brokerage house statements.
My sense of your "system" is that it
is largely subjective and depends heavily on having you in the loop as
an active element.
Your actual trading system comprises
your mathematical formulas and your own emotional influences.
In this regard, you might consider
finding a way to qualify the emotional component of your system.
You might consider taking your
feelings about <trading> and <raising money> to Tribe.
|
Tuesday, June
23, 2009
Progress
Report
Hi support team,
Here is my latest update. I remember feeling confused and stressed when
writing this last. I have to say right now I feel calm and clear.
Anyway, as I
recall, I receive very insightful comments and suggestions and offers of
support. Thank you. During the report period I meditate, exercise and
relax. I coach baseball. The team improves and looks great. I
develop a spreadsheet for the markets to trade. I collect and enter
information on futures contracts, ETF’s and Stocks. This results in
clarity with the futures markets.
I maintain a
spreadsheet list of markets to trade. I look at various account sizes
and explore capacity issues. It is much clearer now than my memory as of
the last report. I target a capacity of $600 million as an amount I will
design my system to handle. This is an amount far beyond my original
thinking and even though it places a limit on my Big Wave it feels right
at this point in the development.
I track my big wave progress in a spreadsheet. I have 31 big wave
sections. I now have 2 big wave sections complete, markets to trade and
capacity.
I seem to spend an average of 12 hours a week on my big wave
In response to the last report:
Ed says:
I wonder where you get the idea that what others
think of you is any of your business.
You might consider taking you feelings about
<judgment> to Tribe.
This is excellent. I explore memories and contemplate the idea. I
realize that this is a repeating drama running my life. My memory of
childhood is that my family is embarrassing. We have little money, the
house is a mess, my dad is a slob, and he embarrasses me. My Mom teaches
me to feel this about everything (especially my Dad) and to fear what
others, including parents, think of me.
I look at my
life now and see remarkable similarities; I feel embarrassment about my
house, I fear what others think about me. I wonder if most people learn
this behavior / idea also? I think / know my kids learn it. Thank You Ed
for this insight, I take this to tribe.
Thank you all for supporting me
My Big Wave
Part 1 - I have a trend trading system I know is right. It is logical,
it is in all trends, it is back tested, it frees up my schedule by
automating trading and it attracts money to me. I love to follow my
system.
Part 2 - I share my system with others through a limited power of
attorney money management arrangement. My system is a source of income.
My system builds wealth. |
Thank you for sharing your process. |
Monday, June
22, 2009
Dealing
With the Loss of a Son
Dear Ed,
Thank you all for your hard work and perseverance on the landscaping
project Thursday & Friday. Everyone works really hard and we achieve
great results - Great teamwork!!! Good job!!!
I feel
extremely tired from the meeting Thursday evening and feel somewhat
disconnected from my feelings. I could not put my finger on exactly the
feeling other than feeling exhausted. I enjoy working on the landscaping
project and enjoy the encouragement and all the “good job” I hear Ed
giving out as everyone is working.
At home I have
a great father’s day lunch with my children and my oldest son who is
struggling with addiction, depression and anxiety is there also.
I try to
connect with each child and give them a really warm hug to give them
their father’s love. After lunch my son and I go mow the grass at my new
home (the heat index is about 105 I think). I mow for awhile and then
had to run the water hose over my head and drink plenty of water to cool
off and I do that repeatedly (the weather is really nice in Incline by
the way). At one point I sat down in the shade to cool off and my son
continued to mow and I began to feel the deep sadness and loss of my
oldest (other) son.
The loss of
all the promise, the hopes and dreams of what he would accomplish and
become in life. I began to weep and let the tears flow freely in the
heat. I still am hopeful that he will be restored someday but I had
pushed those feelings down very deep perhaps hoping that he would snap
out of it.
I feel better
after I weep about this but I also feel that is a pain that will
continue and that I need to feel. Of course I also weep after
reading [Name]’s card and I enjoy the time with her so much.
Thank you Ed
for sharing your feelings about your son and to be willing to model
being completely transparent in your feelings.
I grew up in a
family that is mostly devoid of warm human touch. Thank you all for the
warm hugs. I took those back to my children and notice a big difference
when I hug them, tell them what a good job they are doing and listen to
their feelings and ask them to tell me more - and they do!
The pictures are of my son (18) who graduated this year from high school
with the highest honors.

Riding a 4 wheeler in the mud

Running hurdles in track

Punting for the high school team
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Thank you for sharing your process. |
Monday, June
22, 2009
Receiving A
Daughter's Love
Hi Everyone,
Happy Father’s Day a little late!!!
I try to
connect with each of my children and receive them, listen to them, love
them unconditionally.
[Name] is 14
and makes [a] card for me for father’s day yesterday and also insisted
we go out together yesterday evening to dinner, dessert and a movie. We
have a great time together and talked and talked a lot about lots of
nothing but there is a lot of laughter all evening.

My daughter at 12

Remembering her
My
relationship with each of my children is making tremendous strides from
our work at IVTT. Thank you so much to each of you for all your
hard work, dedication, commitment and support to myself and everyone.

Both of my Daughters
I Love You All.
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Thank you for sharing your process. |
Monday, June
22, 2009
Getting
Free From the Causal Model
Ed,
I very much enjoyed your writing on the cause-and-effect model. Not only
am I continuing to receive many "Ahas", I am also having fun seeing this
model in all the different ways it is being used (e.g. politics,
religion, finance, news, etc.).
I don't know
if this makes any sense or not, but I feel as if I'm no longer under the
spell of manipulation.
A weight has
definitely been lifted. Thanks a million!!! |
Thank you for sharing your process. |
Monday, June
22, 2009
Sadness
Hi Ed,
I read this article:
http://www.examiner.com/x-12767-US-Headlines-Examiner~y2009m6d21-Dying-girl-gets-her-last-wish-sees-Pixar-movie-Up
This is the
only opportunity to know the lovely girl and I understand that, at
least, I don't know anything about her. But I feel so sad. There's no
past, no future, no words to say: it's a pure moment of "now". |
You might consider taking your
feelings about <losing people you love> to Tribe. |
Monday, June
22, 2009
Developing Social Skills
Dear Ed,
First of all thank you for your ongoing support.
Schedule & Measurement Report
1) Spend 10 hrs per 2 weeks on meeting & talking to strangers, or
talking to people I usually only email.
Report: I spend 6 hours during the past 2 weeks on social events in
order to meet people, and I actually talk to strangers for another 7
hours and 40 minutes. I also join an athletics club.
2) Have 14 occasions per 2 weeks of starting a conversation with
strangers, or with vaguely familiar people, or being brushed off, told
off, or rejected.
Report: I actually have 37 such occasions. I go out one night and I chat
with 7 people (speaking to a couple or a group counts as 1). On another
night, I visit a party of about 50 people, where the only person I know
is the host. I talk with 18 strangers during that party.
Feelings Report
1. I contact a voice coach, in order to train my speech. I notice that
since the Reno workshop my voice is deeper and the feeling of speaking
is more pleasant. I want to enhance and explore this pleasurable
feeling.
2. I notice that, in order to make socializing more pleasurable for
myself, it is a good idea to practice storytelling. Instead of the usual
chat - "where are you from", etc. - I now try to bring up good stories
from my (non-existent) past.
In order to do this well, I write down the stories that are funny,
touching or otherwise emoting and I rehearse them. It gives me a lot
more confidence and fun in social situations.
During the above mentioned party, I frequently bring up my canned
stories.
I leave the party with a hoarse voice, after 5 hours of almost nonstop
speaking.
Being hoarse is something I have not experienced in more than a decade.
Receiving Report
My not receiving of people due to my thoughts drifting, is getting
noticeably less.
I also notice that first impressions (friendly / unfriendly, familiar /
weird) tend to be a good indicator whether this person is willing to
receive me.
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Thank you for sharing your process.

Garrison Keillor
makes a career of story-telling.
Raconteur: (Noun)
A person with skill in telling anecdotes
Clip:
http://img.slate.com/media/1/123125/123075/
2143632/2143762/060616_garrisonKeillorEX.jpg
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Monday, June
22, 2009
Graduation
Photo
Dear Ed,
To my tribe members: You are wonderful and inspiring. I am truly honored
to work with you. I treasure your devotion, dedication and willingness
to be completely open.

Link to full
size image |
Congratulations to the graduating
class of June 18th, 2009!
Thank you for inspiring me with your
willingness to grow and to support my growth process. |
Monday, June
22, 2009
Tribe Helps
Ed Learn Java
Dear Ed,
I am working on the milk model. Very cool learning tool. I am having
trouble getting the java graphic to work but am still able to do the
exercises. This is awesome!
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Thank you for the feedback. I am
utilizing some exceptional Tribe resources to help me learn Java. |
Monday, June
22, 2009
Crisis
Coming According to Von Mises
Dear Ed,
Here is a good
quote:
“There is no means of avoiding the final collapse of a boom brought
about by credit expansion. The alternative is only whether the crisis
should come sooner as a result of a voluntary abandonment of further
credit expansion, or later as a final and total catastrophe of the
currency system involved.” Ludwig Von Mises
|
Thank you for the quote.
We are coming to similar conclusions
through our work with the
EcoNowMics
model. |
Monday, June
22, 2009
IVTT Series
Report:
Last Minute
Hot Seat
Dear Ed,
I make it to the hot seat for the first time, at the last meeting, at
the last hour. The chief pairs me with another member, we sit opposite
each other and recite, one-at-a-time, "I like to wait until the last
minute".
For me, this evolves into: "I like to make people wait for me."
"[Waiting till the last minute] makes me feel anxious and alive." "I
like to suffer and I invented the "last minute game" to justify my
suffering."
Chief asks us to describe what the "last minute" means for us. For me,
this is (1) leaving my wife, (2) running out of money, (3) dying.
Finally, "when is the last minute?" My response is it could be far in
the future or it could be the moment of now.
+++
Earlier in the
evening, regarding repetitive negative behaviors, another tribe member
remarks, "[when you] pretend you don't like it, it's a sign something is
going on." Clearly, I participate in my own systems, I am not simply the
victim of cause-and-effect.
Although bittersweet, I see the need for finality in the current IVTT.
As the chief describes, it's natural for the forms to solidify if the
group meets continuously and indefinitely. I look forward to
participating in the broader TT as an alumnus of a very special group. |
Thank you for sharing your process. |
Monday, June
22, 2009
Wants to
Know What to Do About Shyness
Hello, Ed.
I got a really good impression about "The Whipsaw Song."
Thank you very much.
I am an timid person and it effects my job, trading, my life, and even
love.
I'm afraid of failure and ridicule.
How do I overcome the shyness? |
You might consider taking your
feelings about <shyness> to Tribe.

The Positive Intention of Shyness
is risk control
Clip:
http://i.ehow.com/images/GlobalPhoto/
Articles/4684835/shy-main_Full.jpg |
Sunday, June
21, 2009
Radial
Momentum
Ed,
I do so much enjoy this link and web page that you have created. I
cannot explain why but I cannot stop reading it over and over.
http://www.seykota.com/tribe/levitator/
Great work!
By the way Happy Father's Day to you!
|
The link is a direct confrontation
of about 300 years of "physics" of lift. |
Sunday, June
21, 2009
A Quote
From the Dark Knight
"Schemers trying to control their little worlds. I'm not a schemer. I
try to show the schemers how pathetic their attempts to control things
really are."
Hi Ed,
I find this quote as I watched the Dark Knight. I feel like sharing this
with you.
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Trying to fix "schemers" or anyone
else for that matter is not part of TTP.
Accepting them and working on your
own issues is part of TTP. |
Sunday, June
21, 2009
IVTT Series
Summary
Dear Ed,
I attend 10 meetings of the Incline Village Trading Tribe (“IVTT”) from
February 12 through June 18, 2009. The experience is life-changing.
Ed Seykota, innovator of the Trading Tribe Process or “TTP,” is a sage
guide who helps willing Tribe members discover the psychological roots
of unproductive behaviors that they themselves identify as problematic.
Such behaviors often negatively affect a Tribe member’s trading
performance. Yet the real power of TTP is its potential to positively
impact a person’s quality of life, especially key personal
relationships.
Ed also seeks
to train Tribe members to conduct successful TTP-oriented interactions
with other willing Tribe members as a means to propagate the TTP
technology.
At the beginning I have no preconceived notions about what to expect. I
am simply excited to meet Ed and a group of top traders some of whom
travel great distances to participate.
I am not
disappointed. The Tribe members, all, prove to be exceptional people
with big hearts, keen minds, high integrity and most importantly, the
courage to experience their feelings. From time to time a new member
joins the Tribe or a visitor with TTP experience sits in. New people add
spice and help me re-experience the original thrill of participation in
this high-functioning group.
Few miss even one meeting. No one drops out. I begin to feel warmth and
love and gratitude toward these exceptional people. The April 24, 2009
TTP Workshop in Reno is held near the midpoint of the IVTT sessions.
Several IVTT members attend plus about 30 others.
I feel
confident about participation due to my experiences with the IVTT. I
make several new acquaintances from around the world and enjoy sharing
feelings and experiences with them.
What are Tribe meetings like? We begin with drumming. Ed has a great
collection of native American and other drums that he shares with us
Tribe members. Drumming is fun, energizing and spiritually integrating.
It sets the tone for check-ins. After drumming we each in turn
“check-in,” talking about our feelings at the moment and any special
things on our minds. “Is anyone hot” is usually the next question which
leads directly into the working session. I always feel tension at this
point: the tension between the desire to participate and the fear of
self-discovery (really – scary stuff comes up for us all). Yet it feels
good. It makes me examine my own feelings about life, trading,
relationships. At a typical meeting we apply TTP to two or three members
who have issues and voluntarily take the hot seat. Meetings run into the
early morning hours.
There is a mid-meeting break for dinner. Ed sometimes provides the meal
and other times one or more Tribe members cook. We dine at a round table
that facilitates intimate conversation. In addition to working with TTP,
supplementary meeting activities evolve over the series. In the first
few meetings we spend time on personal goals (the “bumper sticker
process”), then on system dynamics (the “pendulum experiment” and
Roadmaps / Stella / Vensim exercises). Later we have an opportunity for
Q&A with special guest and NLP expert [Name] and another time with fund
manager [Name], and once we critique one Tribe member’s pitch for his
new managed futures fund.
I take the hot seat three times during the series. Each time it is
intense - intense - intense. Each time it is now - now - now. Time
evaporates. Hours on the clock pass in seconds when one is on the hot
seat. Feelings pour out. Tribe members work together as a team to help
me discover, examine and practice new resources to deal with frustrating
long-term behaviors: passive-aggressive tendencies, stagnant trading
results, difficulty finishing projects, destructive self-criticism.
Change happens rapidly. My new resources are working. My sense of time
from day to day and week to week melds into the now. I stop day trading
with no difficulty. I stop using alcohol with no difficulty. I begin to
recognize little dramas that I unconsciously set up with my wife to
avoid intimacy and effortlessly derail them. I recognize all of these
behaviors as medication that interferes with my desire to experience my
feelings deeply and to find right livelihood.
Weeks pass. I become highly productive and absorb new knowledge and
skills that advance me toward my goals. My relationships improve. I
achieve some personal goals. The Tribe holds its last meeting. Everyone
is sad yet energized and empowered. It feels good and I feel gratitude
to Ed and my Tribe. Thank you all. |
Thank you for your report. |
Sunday, June
21, 2009
Bernoulli
Abuse
Dear Ed,
You say, on
your website:
http://www.seykota.com/rm/Overview.htm
"I invite you to join with me in the crusade to
Stop Bernoulli Abuse and to put the pressure where it belongs - on the
abusers."
Thank you for sharing your research. I support you in your quest for
truth. I respectfully decline your invitation to fight in holy wars.
I notice that the word "abuse" appears 10 times on your overview page
alone. I wonder about your feelings around abuse, scientific authority
and the voice of him that crieth in the wilderness.
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In this sense, abuse means to change
the inherent purpose or function of something.
I recall readers of my Radial
Momentum Theory thinking that I am questioning Bernoulli's Energy
Balance Equation.
I am actually questioning some
specific applications of it to explain lift.
To help communicate this distinction
I use the phrase, "Stop Bernoulli Abuse."
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Sunday, June
21, 2009
Trading
Software
Dear Ed,
Thank you for [the demo of your] TA software in such detail. It is a
dream come true!
I am very inspired. It's organization & detail is beautiful.
Happy Father's Day
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OK. |
Sunday, June
21, 2009
Attracting
Authority Figures
I meet another authority figure, and another
boundary, on
the day of our last IVTT meeting.
I arrive early and go, with three other tribe members, to the park
adjacent to Ed's house to fly a radio control airplane. A fence
separates the park from Ed's property. A sign on the fence warns
against entering the park here.
We climb around the fence and look for a place to fly our model.
Suddenly, I notice a police officer walking towards us. I think, "not
again!" I am sure he is coming to castigate us for entering the park.
I notice
thinking, "Something in how I look at him
attracts authority drama. Maybe if I close my eyes long enough, he'll go
away." I fiddle with the airplane. When I raise my eyes, I notice the
officer talking to another tribe member about water temperature in the
lake. I notice that the officer shows interest in the model. I ask him
if he wants to fly it. He says he has some experience with R/C
airplanes and expresses fascination at the small size of our model. I
enjoy showing him how to fly it. I reflect on the irony of using a radio
control model to avoid a control drama.
I notice that one of the other tribe members is not around. At check in,
I report this incident and my surprise at a different outcome, comparing
with my last encounter with IV law enforcement.
The "missing"
tribe member reports that the same officer tells him that he must leave
the park as he is violating an IV regulation. |
Thank you for sharing your process.

Police Generally Behave

The Way You Expect Them to Behave.
Clips:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3247/2666331970_
57d9dd4c78.jpg?v=0
http://www.strangepolice.com/images/
content/109750.jpg
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Sunday, June
21, 2009
IVTT Series
Retrospective
The Incline Village Trading Tribe completes a 10-meeting series on
6.18.2009. I notice that I feel sad about the series ending. I notice
that I am willing to be sad, and at the same time willing to let go of
what's complete. This is a change for me, one of many in the tribe.
In this series, I work on goal orientation and process orientation;
control and intimacy in relationships; responsibility and blame; and
learning to accept people the way they are.
In our first meeting in February, I report a recurring pattern where I
give up on projects when I can see the possibility of completing them. I
mention a recent example, a radio control transmitter I am (not)
building. Over the course of the series, I work on it on and off. I find
that my design's most important feature is its ability to
evolve with my evolving interests in R/C flying.
In our last
meeting, I fly a palm-size airplane model using this transmitter. The
project is far from complete -- and I no longer have a goal to
"complete" it. I now have a process by which I can evolve my project as
I evolve in the ever-evolving moment of now.

Remote Controller
I notice that
the tribe is diverse. We have people with 6 different first languages
from 4 continents. My conviction coming into the tribe is that my
background is unique in its harshness, and my responses to stress are a
result of my special experience. I notice that other tribesmen have
identical responses to stress, even though we grow up decades and
thousands of miles apart.
I notice that many tribe members have parents who manipulate them. I
find it easy to role-play these manipulative parents. I learn to notice
manipulation in others and respond to the person, not the manipulation.
I notice that I feel dramatically closer with my father. I notice that I
do many of the same manipulations that I notice in my parents. I notice
that now I ask, "how can I change my behavior to avoid manipulation?"
instead of describing how others can stop manipulating me.
We process many rocks in the tribe. One of the ones I find is a slave
rock that informs many of my relationships. I want to throw it away,
bury it, drown it in the lake, or at least process it.
We never get a
"round tuit" in the tribe. I carry the rock with me in my car, thinking
perhaps I can process it at an upcoming meeting. I think less
and less of it. As the series completes, I wonder what can I do with it.
I notice that I no longer feel any stone-throwing desires. I put the
slave rock in my backyard where it came from, one of hundreds of rocks
that make up my landscape. I learn to accept this part of me for what it
is: not to hide it, not to flaunt it, but to let it be the part of my
experience that it is.

Slave Rock
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Thank you for sharing your process. |
Sunday, June
21, 2009
How To
respond to Close Relatives
Ed,
What would you say if one of your close relatives is saying to you:
"I took that decision against my will, you all forced me to take it: it
was not my intention. But in fact I did not want to make it at all, I
took it unwillingly!"
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I might move to a less close
position.
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Sunday, June
21, 2009
New Tribe -
San Diego
Hi Ed,
Please find our template attached.
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Welcome
San Diego
California
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back to the
future
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