November 17-30, 2007
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Questions
(Quotes from Ed in Red)
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Answers |
Fri, 30 Nov
2007
Envy
Ed,
I go to mostly cash about 3 weeks ago. I close my 2 remaining short
positions 3 days ago because I do not have a system. I want to complete
the TSP and feel the market is a distraction at this time. I want to
focus my efforts on TSP and developing my own system.
I am in the now with my 2 sons this morning. I turn on the TV for my
son. I peak in on CNBC. I see the market is up for the 4th day in a row.
I start to feel anxious about <missed opportunity>.
My wife takes the boys to play group. I have an opportunity to explore
<missed opportunity>. The AHA comes when I realize that <missed
opportunity> is <envy> in disguise. I am envious because I project that
everyone else is making money while I am standing on the side lines.
I see in the past that envy has caused me to trade compulsively. I lose
money because "I don't want to miss the move." Losing money causes more
envy. Repeat the process.
Because I have been denying / unwilling to feel envy, I create a drama
(losing money), which demands that I feel more envy.
Looking back through my life I realize that one of my biggest allies has
been persistence. In believe persistence comes from envy. The positive
intention of envy has been to make me work for that which I desire.
I would rather feel envy and use its positive intentions to complete the
TSP. Someday I will experience its form.
|
Thank you for sharing your process.
To explore and find out how to apply
your theory, you might consider taking your issue to Tribe.

Envy
In some circles it's one of the
seven deadly sins.
In TTP,
like all our feelings,
it has a positive intention.
Clip:
http://digitalart.org/art/41311/
fantasy/seven-deadly-sins-envy/ |
Fri, 30 Nov
2007
Exponential Moving Averages
Ed,
After sending my previous email, I read up on your "comparing
exponential and moving averages" TSP section. You state in this section
the (N+1)/2 convention equates a simple moving average to an exponential
one in the rare circumstances of a steady ramping price series.
A trading system that uses a dual exponential crossover
and ATR volatility position sizing on the SP500 does not seem like one
of these rare circumstances. Ed, is this an oversight, or am I missing
something? |
The TC = (EAT + 1) / 2 convention is
an attempt to achieve a measure of equivalence between two different
operators, namely the exponential lag and the moving average.
The N-day moving average is one N-th
of the sum of the last N day's values.
The exponential lag with a time
constant of N moves one N-th of the way toward the target (latest price)
in every interval.
The word "Average" in the phrase
"Exponential Average" is a misnomer. EA is not an average of anything in
particular. It is exactly a lag, with a precise meaning in science
and engineering. The math that supports the exponential lag includes
natural logarithms and Euler's constant, e. You cannot compute EA
by summing up some historical price and then dividing. You do this
to compute MA.
EA and MA rarely have the same
value.
The exception is in the case of a
ramping market, one that rises (or falls) by the same amount each day.
In this case, EA and MA can track each other.
Even in this case, an exponential
lag with a time constant of N tracks about 1/2 as fast as a moving
average of N days.
To further extend, justify and
memorialize the misnomer, we can actually find a value for TC such that
the EA(TC) tracks MA(EAT) in ramping markets. This is the convention
above.
TC = (EAT + 1) / 2
The motivation for the convention
seems to be a patch to try to make some sense of calling an exponential
lag an exponential average.
In actual practice, we rarely mix
exponential lags with moving averages
As long as you stay with one or the
other, and if you define what you mean, the conversion convention rarely
comes into play except as a curiosity and example of the kind of
mis-communication that can occur between traders and scientists.
Note: when you review some one
else's back-test results, be sure to find out the exact definitions for
the operators the programmer employs. |
Fri, 30 Nov
2007
TT Workshop Follow-Up
Dear Ed:
Thank you for the work you do.
In the few months I'm involved with a Tribe and the
Workshop thinks go incredibly well.
The Fund I manage is up substantially compared
against my benchmark and my peers.
My relationship with my kids is much better as
well.
We successfully complete 2 Rock process in our Tribe
meetings. I want to share an interesting story. This month (November) I
made good money being short the markets. The week of Thanksgiving I
created a drama which made me decide to close all my positions. I'm in
cash for the rest of the month as the market rallies. Net result, I have
a very good month. I guess Intentions = Results.
Thanks again Ed. |
Thank you for sharing your process. |
Fri, 30 Nov,
2007
Errors in TSP
Ed,
As I start working through the TSP, I believe I notice a discrepancy
with how you compute the Time Constant for an exponential lag.
The text directly below is copied from your "System Math" word document
that shows the convention of adding 1 to the moving average time and
dividing by 2 to get the time constant. Hehe, now that I notice it,
there also seems to be a spelling mistake in the word exponential below:
: )
Lag
Also: Delay, Low-Pass Filter, Exponential "Average"
Lag t = Lag t-1 +
(Price t – Lag
t-1) / ExponentialTimeConstant;
ExponentiualTimeConstant =
(MovingAverageTime
+ 1 ) / 2
The following is from your
http://www.seykota.com/tribe/
TSP/EA/Exponential/index.htm
tutorial page:
Say you compute your 10-day Exponential average once per day.
That makes dt = 1 day and TC = 10 days. |
Nice catch !
Thank you for spotting the spelling
issue and the ambiguity in the definition of EA TC.
I am making the following
adjustments.
Exponentuial ==> Exponential.
10-day ==> 10-day TC.
I also add some notes for
clarification.
Please check the items to confirm
them are now clear. |
Thu, 29 Nov
2007
System Math
Ed,
I am having
difficulty understanding the following formula:
Instantaneously Compounding Annual Growth Rate
ICAGR = ln(Ratio)/ DateRangeInYears
Ratio = EndValue / StartValue
DateRangeInYears = (EndDate – StartDate) / 365.25
For an account that goes from $1,000.00 to $1,210.00 in two years:
ICAGR = ln(1.21) / 2 = .19062036 / 2 ~ 9.531 %
The part I am having difficulty with is how the 1n(1.21) = .19062036. I
don’t understand how the “1n” is being used in the equation. Could you
elaborate further? Thanks. |
The natural logarithm of 1.21 is
.19062036.
The abbreviation for natural
logarithm is ln.
ln(1.21) = .19062036. |
Thu, 29 Nov
2007
Issue Cover
for Dec 1st 2007
see previous:
Der Spiegel
Ed,
I'll never forget your lesson on reading magazines. We went to your
Incline village post office box and picked up a cardboard box full of
your accumulated mail. "I'll show you how I read magazines." You pulled
each issue out, tore off the cover and threw the bulk of the book into
another pile destined for the trash and kept the covers.
Here's one for you...

The Economist: Issue Cover for Dec 1st 2007
Clip:
http://economist.com/printedition/
displayCover.cfm?url=/images/20071201/
20071201issuecovUS400.jpg |
Thank you for the catch.

December 2007 Euro Currency

March 2008 Dollar Index
Red Circles
indicate the appearance
of dollar covers
on Der Spiegel
and on The Economist
|
Thu, 29 Nov
2007
Experience
of Waiting - Helps Trading
see previous:
Wants to
Attend
Dear Ed:
Thank you for your most recent reply. The day after I receive your
answer to my first e-mail I start to think about the positive intentions
of waiting.
I get several
AHA’s along the way. One has to wait for good things in life. The
process from birth to death is one long wait. Our parents wait for us to
be born then train us from childhood to become good citizens and
thereafter wait for twenty plus years to determine the outcome of their
leadership at home.
Keeping a
relaxed atmosphere at home and waiting / allowing the child to grow
helps the child attain right livelihood as an adult. One has to wait for
the right person to get married to otherwise it can lead to a rocky
relationship. After getting a ticket this year for running a red light
at a photo enforced traffic signal, I now wait at traffic signals
religiously because that is the right thing to do and also saves money.
Yesterday, I used the idea of waiting for the right setup to trade
profitably.
Stock indexes
gapped higher and the risk of buying at the open was huge but during the
day the 15-min chart gave a nice low volatility upside breakout trade
with the trend that worked well. Your advice to feel the feelings about
waiting kept my urge to take discretionary trades in check all day.
Indeed, the idea of waiting for something makes it more exciting.
What a brilliant recommendation to solve my problem
Ed. Thank you.
|
Thank you for sharing your process.

A Mermaid
is a girl
worth wading for.
Clip:
http://myfishysite.vegard2.no/mermaid.jpg |
Thu, 29 Nov
2007
Goldman and Gold, Man
Hi Ed,
This might interest you, Goldman are circulating their Top trades for
2008.
You might notice # 3 to sell Gold Short (I note that no indication of
where to stop out is made).
TRADE #3: Go short Gold (in US$), in order to fade the escalation in
financial risks (and benefit from a stabilization in the US $). Expected
return: +15-20%
As our readers may recall, we went long Gold in our Top 10 list for
2006. At the time, gold was trading at around US$500, and ended the year
at US$650. We would now use a short exposure in Gold, expressed in US
Dollars, to capitalize on a gradual relaxation of credit concerns in the
financial sector over the coming months, and as an avenue to benefit
from the prospect of a stabilization in the US Dollar, supported by a
front-loaded Fed easing campaign (which would lower the chances of
recession), and further improvement of the trade balance.
May I point
out I am not endorsing this strategy, I wondered if this sort of
Investment bank marketing material was useful in gauging the stage we
are in the psychological environment (see attached from your site) in
the Gold trend. |
Thank you for the information.
I notice the recommendation rests on
fundamental analysis and attempts to predict the future, not on
trend-following.
I also notice the recommendation
does not mention a protective stop above the market. |
Wed, 28 Nov
2007
Dynamic
Portfolio Selection with MACD
Hello Ed,
A very amazing aspect of human learning is it is very much like
asking a question into a crystal ball (or the ether, or the
collective consciousness).
I seem to always have a knack for answering my own questions, as long as
I keep asking and then patiently waiting for the answer to come.
Asking the questions seems easy, patience is usually the controlling
factor.
I put a piece of the puzzle together concerning the Dynamic Portfolio
module. Interestingly, I have read about this technique many times but
never put 2 and 2 together.
One possible method is the use of a filter “signal” running against all
of your possible markets.
This filter signal would have two states – “GREEN” and “RED”.
When the filter signal is in a “GREEN” state, if the “child” strategy
entry signal fires, this market is entered,
When the filter signal is in a “RED” state, if the “child” strategy
entry signal fires, this signal is always ignored.
The simplest example is a MACD dynamic portfolio manager.
Let’s say you wanted to have a short frequency trend following system
only enter when a longer period trend appears to be in motion.
Make the MACD averages longer then your look-back period for a breakout
system.
Only enter long strategy signals when the fast moving average (MACD
Portfolio Manager) is above the slow moving average and in a diverging
state. The reverse for a short entry.
There are other possibilities.
In theory, this now limits how many markets you are actually “in” from a
margin requirement standpoint, and preferentially guides your returns so
you do not “dilute” your returns with less than ideal trades.
Where do you think Einstein received his E=MC2 AHA’s from? Is it the
Collective Unconscious? Or is there still yet another “provider”?
Someday I would like to work to uncover a new, unique trading idea. I
hope to share it with you and you call it your own.
|
You might consider running your MACD
system to see how it works.
My own optimization tests with MACD
indicate it works best when it degenerates from a three-average to a
two-average system.
That is, the attempt to "predict"
the crossover relies on using a third average and this average acts to
delay, rather than predict the signal information. |
Wed, 28 Nov
2007
Impatience
see
previous: Day Trading
Ed,
Upon reading the other contributor's report about his impatience to
wait, I reflect on my experience with discretionary trading. I find it
makes a lot more sense to trade always in the direction of the long term
trend.
In order to
have an idea of the prevailing trend, I look at long term charts,
beginning with the monthly, then the weekly. The daily chart I use for
entry / exit timing. Well, that's the basic plan.
In real
trading, however, there are the emotional issues such as 1) impatience
to wait for a good setup in the "intermediate" trend, which could be the
weekly charts, for instance; 2) the tendency of being "sucked in" by
emotional swings out of short term price action, such as in the daily
chart; 3) the desire to predict market direction when, in reality, "the
trend is your friend, until it ends" always, every time, for every
trade. |
Thank you for sharing your process. |
Wed, 28 Nov
2007
Post Workshop Observations
Recovers
after Whipsaw
Greetings Ed,
I have mentioned in a previous post that I seem to get less agitated and
less grumpy these days when certain annoying situations arise.
Partly, I would think, due to my experiences at the recent Reno
Workshop. As an example of the above please refer to NG.
I am long this stock and unfortunately on this occasion things don't go
my way and I experience huge huge slippage in attempting an exit.
Of course it is upsetting for me to lose money on this one, but I don't
freak out about it (or kick the dog)
I acknowledge that these thing happen from time to time and I'm cool.
Fortunately for me my investment in NG is a small fraction of my trading
account and although it is a small setback, I'm not out of the game.
The thing that I note is that back in the 'olden days' I would get
really pissed off that i took this hit.
Now my attitude is, "ok, I don't like what has happened but it has
happened so I move on."
|
Thank you for sharing your process.

NG
|
Wed, 28 Nov
2007
On Diversification of Lag parameters
within the
EA Crossover System
Hi Ed,
Thank you for posting the very interesting & most fascinating FAQ's re:
"Associates Program-Diversification of Lag parameters" (Tues. 27 Nov.
2007 and Tues. 27 Nov. 2007 again).
Although I am not a member of the associates program, I will have a
crack at it anyway as I want to see for myself whether this sort of
diversification does indeed lead to improvements. Basically these FAQ
posts have me intrigued so I want to have a 'go'.
Some time back I complete the original TSP diversification study on HG
copper & Crude oil using the 2 different systems (i.e. EMA and S/R
systems) and I am able to confirm to myself that doing this adds
considerable value.
QUESTION: Can I get the same 'added-value' when I diversify amongst
parameters within the SAME system?
My attempt to solve this question is shown below;
Firstly before I present any results and comments, I want to include my
attempt at the TSP EA crossover system, for the reasons given below.
My results for this are contained in the attached file named "325_85
Results SP500 only.zip"
From the
results file I am able to match exactly your entry/exit dates &
entry/exit prices and I am able to match your profit and loss figures as
well as your trade position sizes in every case except the last one,
where due to slight rounding errors my code trades 56 lots of S&P500
whereas your coding trades 55 lots of S&P500.
Everything
else is correct. (I'm not using Excel to program, hence the slight
variation . . . I guess)
I include the above to show that my coding is in line with yours
(rounding errors not withstanding) and there are no major errors.
o.k. back to the original question.
To test this out I will select the same system parameters and the same
risk parameters as per your TSP for the S&P
These parameters are:
a) System 1
Ema(slow)=325
Ema(fast)=85
Skid=50%
Risk per trade=10%
ATR multiplier=5
ATR averging time=20
Commission=Nil
b) System 2
Ema(slow)=150
Ema(fast)=15
Skid=50%
Risk per trade=10%
ATR multiplier=5
ATR averging time=20
Commission=Nil
Instead of applying these systems to the S&P, I will instead select a
broadly diversified (and to my mind, non-correlated) group of 12
commodities which I will call portfolio A.
I will trade long only, keeping in line with the TSP
I will test these systems on back-adjusted continuous contracts (as per
TSP) from 1980 up until end of 2006. (i.e. no new entries are allowed
beyond end 2006, however if a trade is open at the end of 2006 I will
allow it to continue until it is exited via the normal system logic)
The test Portfolio A consists of;
British Pound
Crude Oil
Cotton
Eurodollar
Gold
Japanese Yen
Coffee
Live cattle
Palladium
Soybeans
Sugar
US T-Bonds
I will use the same risk parameters as above but I will start with an
initial account size of $2,000,000.00. I do this since when I test the
two systems above traded together as one system I want to make sure all
trades are taken since each system when traded together will be risking
5% per trade (i.e. 2 systems at 5% each is the same as one system at
10%).
So just so there is no confusion, I test System1 at 10% risk then
another test using System2 at 10% risk and then another, third, test of
a combined System 1 and 2 at 5% risk EACH.
My detailed results & graphs for these 3 tests are attached in zip
files. (please refer to these if you wish)
***************
To simply
summarize the test results;
a) System 1 results (@10% risk per trade)
Profit=$673 million
CAGR=23.6%
CLOSED equity drawdown = 69.4%
MAR (i.e. bliss) = 0.34
b) System 2 results (@10% risk per trade)
Profit=$993 million
CAGR=24.9%
CLOSED equity drawdown = 56.3%
MAR (i.e. bliss) = 0.44
c) Combo System 1 & System 2 results (@5% risk per trade for each
system)
Profit=$1558 million (i.e. $1.558 billion)
CAGR=26.96%
CLOSED equity drawdown = 45.9%
MAR (i.e. bliss) = 0.59
*****************
So from my results, I am able to conclude that by simply trading a combo
of two systems with different Lag parameters at half the risk per system
I can greatly improve the results, especially the risk adjusted results,
when compared to trading either one of the systems by themselves.
I suspect that adding another one or two extra systems each with
different parameters to the two already shown above will improve results
again. (i.e. trade 4 systems each with different lag parameters but with
2.5% risk each). I will look into this further.
I also suspect that the above procedure could be implemented with the
S/R system for improved results as well. I will look into this further.
I suspect the ultimate combo would be 4 (or whatever) EMA systems traded
in combination with 4 (whatever) S/R systems and traded with . . . . etc
etc etc. I will also look into this further. (of course the limitation
is enough money to be able to take all trades . . . . "Hey brother can
you spare a . . . . few million bucks?")
My comments and observations re: the above are as follows;
a) No allowance has been made for initial margin costs. Naturally when
these costs are taken into account there will be less money available in
the account & hence position size will be much less, leading to more
conservative results figures.
b) I have allowed for a maximum position size limit of 5000 lots per
commodity traded. Of course this is unrealistic since with this kind of
size you would be moving the market considerably as you tried to get in
and out ( I suspect in Coffee, Cattle & Palladium you would BE the
market)
c) No short trades were taken, had shorts been taken in addition to
Longs I suspect Profits would have been greater but drawdowns (maybe)
more so. (Another one for me to test)
d) Personally, the risk used (i.e. 10%) is far too great for me. I
wouldn't be operating anywhere near these levels. I would be more
comfortable somewhere around the 1% mark. So, this is a definitely a
psychological aspect that could be studied further by me.
e) My preferred account size for trading a diversified group of futures
is $2million. This allows me to take all trades on offer and to minimise
the risk of ruin (provided risk is contained at the 1% or less level of
course)
f) My total Portfolio heat for these tests is 100%, meaning that at
certain times 100% of my account is in play and at risk. My personal
preference is around the 30-50% mark. This is another psychological
aspect that could be studied further by me.
g) Note that the average annual returns over a 26 year period are around
the mid 20% mark.
This is why I find it difficult to believe trade magazine adverts
promising 100%+ returns year in year out.
My current belief system supports the idea that an average 20-25% return
per annum on entire account (year in year out, ON AVERAGE) is a d--n
good return.
I am open to the possibility that I'm placing a hard limit in front of
me though.
h) There has been no attempt made to optimize (curve fit?) for the best
parameters for Portfolio A. I have simply chosen the 2 parameter sets as
found in the TSP exercises for the EA crossover system and gone with
these. Obviously different (better?) results would be found using the
optimization process.
********************
Thanks again
Ed for the excellent FAQ posts and the opportunity for me to get off my
derrière and get something done & to learn something new
PS. Further to
my previous post I have decided to make some realistic assumptions
regarding trading 2 versions of the same EMA system, but with different
lag parameters for each system
My new assumptions are;
1) Allow initial margin to be $5000.00 per commodity.
2) Allow risk per trade to be 2% (i.e. System 1 will trade at 2% risk,
system 2 will also trade at 2% risk and Combined System 1 & 2 will trade
at 1% each for a total of 2% total)
3) Allow portfolio heat to be maximum 50% (which I would never cross BTW
since portfolio A consists of 12 commodities at 2% risk per trade = 24%
total portfolio heat max). It means I could add a few more different
commodities into the mix and still be under my heat levels. Another test
for another time.
4) Allow the maximum position size to NOT exceed 100 lots (ie contracts)
per commodity
5) Trading long only
6) Trading Portfolio A (as per previous post)
7) Test period stays the same i.e. 1980-2006
8) Initial account size remains the same at $2 million
***************
To summarize the new more conservative test results;
a) System 1 results (@2% risk per trade)
Profit=$19.12 million
CAGR=8.95%
CLOSED equity drawdown = 20.3%
MAR (i.e. bliss) = 0.44
b) System 2 results (@2% risk per trade)
Profit=$26.01 million
CAGR=9.9%
CLOSED equity drawdown = 20.23%
MAR (i.e. bliss) = 0.49
c) Combo System 1 & System 2 results (@1% risk per trade for each
system)
Profit=$29.44 million
CAGR=10.38%
CLOSED equity drawdown = 11.85%
MAR (i.e. bliss) = 0.88 (nice!! . . . for me that is)
*****************
Once again I am able to conclude that by simply trading a combo of two
systems with different Lag parameters at half the risk per system I can
greatly improve the results when compared to trading either one of the
systems by themselves.
Once again there has been no attempt made to optimize (curve fit?) for
the best parameters for Portfolio A. I have simply chosen the 2
parameter sets as found in the TSP exercises for the EA crossover system
Personally I would trade the short side as well, so that’s yet another
test for me to do.
Cheers once again,
|
Nice Job !
Thank you for sharing your research
into Lag Parameter Diversification. |
Wed, 28 Nov
2007
Portfolio Optimization / Filtering
Good Day Ed,
After reviewing and programming a few trend following systems I have
realized that, above all else, the portfolio you use for selecting
stock picks from is crucial.
You say it
yourself in one of your TSP pages. I know you do not provide specifics
surrounding trading systems; however, what concepts could I apply to
selecting a portfolio of US equities?
I think what I mean to say is that I need a way to filter trade entry
signals. If, for example, my trading system is based on all liquid US
equities with $1,000,000 daily cash flow and it generates 100+ signals
in a given trading day you have to select a subset of the overall
candidates. What concepts could you provide me with that would assist me
in this all important task?
Some of my ideas of trade signal filtering:
1. price today - N days (or months) ago price.
2. If an ema system, select the highest N ranked % yearly roc signals.
3. lowest volatility (Have you seen any correlation between periods of
low volatility and smooth price trending either up or down?)
Your feedback is greatly appreciated. |
You might consider running some
tests on various ways to pre-screen trades and reporting back to FAQ. |
Wed, 28 Nov
2007
Whipsaw
Song
Dear Mr. Seykota,
wishfully waiting for an public audio/video version of the "Whipsaw
Song", I take comfort in this:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=LtcnXLDnXvs
Do you like it? |
Perhaps we are seeing the birth of a
genre. |
28 Nov 2007
E8 - Theory of Everything
Ed,
This may interest you:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=
/earth/2007/11/14/scisurf114.xml&page=1

Surfer dude stuns physicists
with theory of everything
|
Sometimes everything is nothing. |
Wed, 28 Nov
2007
Original Research Results
TSP SR with ATR Overlay
Hi Ed,
Please find two excel worksheets as attachments with the results of my
research. This simulation is the TSP SR with an ATR-multiple as a stop
for open positions.
Graph 1 shows how MAR changes over different ATR-multiples and heats.
Graph 2 shows the performance of the system with the optimal
ATR-multiple and heat.

Graph 1

Graph 2 |
Nice Job !
You might consider annotating your
equity curve chart (not showing) with a system description and a list of
what instruments you are trading.
I notice your Bliss Function comes
in at around 0.17. This is approximately the same MAR you get with
a buy and hold strategy on an index fund.
Your MAR = f(ATR) curve shows the
addition of the ATR fast get-out rule decreases performance for ATR
values below 6. Six ATR gives a relatively distant stop, so the
experiment indicates the ATR rule works best when it does not kick in.
For values between 6 and 10 I
observe a small improvement in MAR. I suspect this follows from
one or two special situation trades. You might consider
identifying these special situations.
The MAR = f (Heat) curve shows a
fairly smooth curve with a optimal zone between .03 and .06. The
lower end of this range likely delivers much less volatility so you
might consider pitching your trading nearer the lower end.
I'd like to see more information
about how you select what is in the portfolio and how you define Heat. |
Wed, 28 Nov
2007
Turtle System Test - Using ATR
see previous
In my system, stop loss distance for sizing contracts is 2 * 20-day ATR.
Stop loss actually changes as the units of risk change with the
pyramiding.
This is all very similar to sizing algorithms in the TSP modules for the
Exponential and Breakout strategies.
I have also programmed this into [softward] and run this against a host
of markets. I have taken the results of all the markets and calculated a
Bliss function using the MAR Equation (ACAGR/PDD).
Without slippage, this looks like a great strategy. With slippage
this is a losing or poor strategy when run on the host markets over a
long duration.
Coincidentally, the 1980’s (Turtle Era) is when this
performs the best!
I am unsure as to why I would want to trade this on only the
strategies that appear to give the best results. The reason is even
losing markets have periods of profit or good MAR. This is a deep issue,
one that crosses many things. I don’t expect an answer here, this is at
least a 2 hour conversation for me!
I have not tried to optimize this, because I am not really ready yet.
This requires me to acquire or develop a testing system that allows me
to optimize against a host of markets all at the same time.
Also, I feel there is more to this than just optimizing this strategy.
Part of the 2-hour (or 2-day) conversation is I believe that it is not
particularly useful to get too far down a singular calculation /
optimization.
One must decide which markets the optimization should be conducted
against. Should it be a “stress” type test against every data source one
has, or should it be a “trading” specific test against the markets one
wants to actually trade. I feel both.
Then the problem gets more complex. What if one has two strategies and
each has a set of markets that are going to be traded against. How
should this be optimized? Individually and then only the % of Fund
allocation to each strategy changed. Or collectively, both strategies
parameters being cycled and the % Fund allocation varied as well to see
the MAR of the FUND? Again, I think both to see the results and then
decide. This is a lot of work and takes some software that I do not have
yet.
Other “Tasks” I have completed. (I Use the word “I” here loosely, this
is actually a combined effort of mine and ... my brother.)
I have written a “Genetic Optimization” program that can take multiple
strategies and multiple markets and compute MAR of a Fund by varying
both the percent allocation of each market (within a strategy) and the
percent allocation of each strategy (within a Fund). I am not advocating
this is even a wise thing to do. It was a fun and thoughtful exercise to
learn about portfolio diversification. It is also rewarding to see
Propagation, Mutation, and Random Selection work inside a computer to
find an optimal solution testing only 15% of the brute force
possibilities while still finding the correct answer.
I have a “Test Results” database system that can take the results of
many strategy / market performance tests and print / compare / roll up
the results. These are trade level entries. The system is both
operational and parts still under development. The Charts ... come from
it. Attached is another sample report. Don’t believe the results just
yet.
I also have developed a “Price Database”. The price database acquires
daily prices of many markets and constructs continuous contracts. The
Price Database can be linked to the “Test Results” database. Now, the
Test Results database can compile / model Daily Equity Change and MAR of
a Fund using Daily change (Realized and Unrealized). The Price Database
also feeds the “Operational Trading” system with the continuous contract
data.
I also have developed an “Operational Database” where daily signals are
issued by an Operational Trading System and the trade is sized according
to allocation rules, an order is created for a broker, “synthetic”
orders are also created, and a history of trades is collected. The
system has “Clients” and a full accounting process that “pools” orders,
distributes profits / losses accordingly to each account, calculates /
tracks performance fees, etc. and can also print monthly statements by
account. It logs all trades for any post-mortem analysis one wishes to
conduct.
[My brother] and I are both proficient in relational database design /
programming so this is an explanation of why we did this.
It is an exercise in trying to understand all aspects
of a trading business before trying to trade.
I think the trading system design may be the easiest part
of a trading business, but the one that seems to attract all the focus,
attention, agony and glory. We had a very rewarding experience visiting
with [trader] in his office and seeing all the individual parts in
action. He [uses commercial accounting software] ... he also had his own
custom parts that handled price data, strategy operation, etc. I get
good satisfaction from realizing that we figured it out by thinking /
talking over a 4 year period, and mostly in a vacuum of real traders /
CTAs.
Suffice it to say I am not your “normal” or typical Tribe member. It
matters little to me whether I am, I just get up each day and do what I
feel I need to do, or hopefully, want to do. ALL of the work above was
partly inspired by the TSP program or the Resources Section. I really
thank you.
Besides this work, there are more fundamental, and hence more important
issues involved. For these, I REALLY thank you.
I feel my background / experience as a business owner, as a consultant
in a highly emotional and volatile field, and as a cancer patient
provide me with certain capabilities that may be helpful to you and the
TSP program.
I fully admit I am not always the most easiest or fun
person to be around (I am working on it for those that need it and I
wish to help with their / my needs).
I feel there is a chance we may develop an even more
mutually beneficial relationship. I know this chance is pretty rare in
my life. The best way for this chance to bare fruit is for me to visit
with you face to face. There are a few more issues of intention, trust
and understanding that I must reach before I can really commit. If your
mulling leads you to the same conclusion, please let me know where I can
meet you. I will gladly come to Incline Village or anywhere else you
prefer to meet. |
You might consider taking your
feelings about <uncertainty> to Tribe.
I am open for you to visit me in
Incline. I have software that can back-test / optimize a system on
a portfolio level.

Graphic Illustrating Uncertainty
inadvertently defines
the "expected price"
of crude oil
is $18.00
Clip:
http://www.puc-rio.br/marco.ind/
imagens/sl_2unc.gif |
Wed, 28 Nov
2007
Junk Mail Recommendation
We know that it's the big announcements that make small cap companies
move. Many of these issues are so Tightly Held that when Buzz starts to
build they can see 100% appreciation in a very short time.
We have our eye on one company that is set to make just such a splash:
DAVN
Currrent Prrice:
$0.30
Shorrt-Terrm Tarrget: $0.65
Long-Terrm Tarrget: $0.90 |
I wonder if the double rr's in your
junk mail indicate trrepidation.

DAVN
The tout piece
neglects to mention
the price drop from $2,400.00
to $0.30.
|
Wed, 28 Nov
2007
Wants to Attend Incline Village Tribe Meeting
see
Day Trading, below
Dear Ed:
I trust all is well. At our Trading Tribe meeting today, I expressed to
our Chief a desire to attend the December 13, 2007 meeting at Incline
Village. He did recommend that I could go to the meeting. Hence, I seek
your permission to attend that meeting.
I would appreciate your thoughts on this matter. |
See the requirements for attending
IVTT as a visitor on the Tribe Directory page, link above.
You might further prepare by writing
FAQ with a description of your experience of waiting. |
Tue, 27 Nov
2007
Day Trading
Dear Ed:
I feel privileged to have met you at the [City] Tribe meeting last
Sunday. I was very impressed with your tremendous all round knowledge
and humble appearance.
It's unfortunate that there was not enough time for you to address my
discretionary trading problem and offer solutions to get rid of them
completely. I saw you work so skillfully with [Names] and they seemed to
be at ease after their hot seat was over.
Discretionary trading has taken away $[amount] of my day trading profits
this year. I am still up $[amount].
I am running my system at 20% efficiency and mixing it with
discretionary trading and still winning more than I could ever imagine.
I am the typical trader who gets rid of winning positions quickly and
let's losses run.
I need to locate that devil within me that makes me do all the bad
things in trading.
Once I fix myself and follow my system exclusively I can
reach the financial freedom and earn a livelihood that will allow me to
take vacations with my family which has been missing from my life. You
see I am the owner / operator of a tax and account service, check
cashing and ... money transfer outfit for over 20 years and have found
it very difficult to find time for vacations or attend to my godly
parents in [Country] when they were dying. I forcibly made time to
travel back home to perform their last rites. Trading for a living does
give you the flexibility to take off whenever you want.
My business did give me the free time I needed to study markets and buy
robust market indicators that work well in real time.
I feel you are the only person who can fix me and would be grateful if
you can provide any further guidance in this matter. I have addressed my
problem in Tribe meetings twice already and have taken the hot seat but
my ... Tribe members are not as experienced in TTP as you are and it
could take several meetings to locate my problem and being a day
trader I find it hard to wait that long.
Once again I thank you and [Name] for driving down from [City] and
showing us how to effectively conduct a Trading Tribe meeting.
Best Regards, |
Thank you for sharing your
process.
You might consider taking your
feelings about <waiting> to Tribe.




Ways to Wait
Clips:
http://www.surrealcorner.com/Gallery/pages/
Lying-Waiting.html
http://www.allposters.com/-sp/
Waiting-Posters_i1813774_.htm
http://life2gether.wordpress.com/
2007/07/27/waiting/
http://abundantliving-tracy.blogspot.com/
2007/11/when-its-time-for-us-to-know-we-will.html
|
Tue, 27 Nov
2007
TT Site
Hard to Navigate
Ed,
I notice that your site is somewhat hard to navigate. For example, some
pages have links to the Associates Program, others don't. I have found
things on the site in the non-existing past that I am unable to find a
few months later. There is some really interesting stuff about rocks
processes that describe members' experiences, FAQ style, that
disappeared. Maybe Ed removes them, maybe I'm dense. Right now (it's
always right now, isn't it?) I click Search This Site, whose title page
lists three links that I don't find on the Home Page: Risk Management,
Fractals & Borderlines and Pollinators.
The principle reason I go to Search This Site is to look for the
application form you ask me to complete. No joy.
Please support me in telling me that I'm not really a stupid, ignorant,
incompetent, illiterate, bass-ackwards, aging, dilapidated,
dysfunctional, unworthy, unlovable, loathsome, miserable, insufferable,
foolish waste of God's green protoplasm who can't get the VCR to stop
blinking 12:00 and who do I think I am yammering on about VCRs when
everyone else has TIVO in this digital age, yada yada, and so what if
Microsoft says Click Start To Turn Off Computer, what did you think
they'd say, Click Stop???
But I digress. Is there really a link to the form?
Thanks! |
Thank you for reporting ways to
improve the site.
Please check it again and tell me
any specific problems that remain. |
Tue, 27 Nov
2007
TT Associates Research Project
Back-Testing a Turtle System
Ed,
This is a trading strategy I programmed last summer. I found a document
that described this strategy on the Internet. It is a "version" of the
original Turtle strategy (20-day breakout with alternating profit test,
55-day breakout failsafe) including the 4 "levels" of scaling /
pyramiding. It does not include slippage :) .
I find it is sometimes helpful to program my strategies in both Excel
and whatever other simulation software in order to "match to the penny"
and know I have it programmed correctly in my operational or simulation
software.
|
Thank you for your work on this
project
As I go over your spreadsheet and graph, I am not clear on a some
things. Perhaps you can help me understand.
The exponentially increasing graph seems to indicate some degree of
compounding. When I look at the spreadsheet, I see positions stay
within a range from -4 to +4 contracts.
I wonder if you have a computation for Bliss or for MAR or some measure
of risk-normal return.
I wonder if you are running some tests with different values of the key
parameters to find optimal values.
I wonder what effect you might find if you include some form of
transaction cost / skid. |
Tue, 27 Nov
2007
Cape Town Tribe
Dear Ed,
Attached is my Trading Tribe Information Document. |

Welcome !
Cape Town
South Africa |
Mon, 26 Nov
2007
[City] Tribe Report
Accessing
the Dark Side with Virtual Drugs
Ed,
This is a summary of my process at [City[ Tribe.
Ed makes his first visit to the [City] tribe and upon request of the
local Chief, agrees to take over the leadership role for this meeting,
so the hosting tribe can see how it's done at the IV tribe.
Ed mentions that The Setup is key, in tribe as in trading, and toward
that end he probes each of us more deeply during the check in than we
might be used to, looking for who's hot and who's not.
When it's my turn I begin the litany of complaints with my signature "I
Don't Know" routine, with emphasis this week on not knowing how to
navigate the techno-overload of today's Brave New World, feeling stupid
about it, feeling incompetent to manage ever the "simple" affairs of
life, like weight control, having just regained twenty pounds of a hard
won forty pound loss. Ed asks when the weight gain started and I say
three months ago. We go back and forth a little about "who says" I need
to lose weight, how do I know I'm not at my perfect weight right now,
etc., and I reply that my weight is not the issue; lack of control is
the issue. He looks for a possible connection between my eating and the
break up with my anorexic ex-girlfriend and I claim no connection, the
"ex" factor having occurred months before the binge begins.
I resume my whining. I feel that I've wasted my life with
non-productivity and aimless drifting. I say I'd like to try the Rocks
Process but I don't feel "qualified," I'm not sure I'm hot enough, I
don't know if I've done enough tribe prep work to be "ready" for the
next level. I suggest that this has been a life-long pattern, staying in
my comfort zone, holding myself in check instead of climbing Maslow's
Hierarchy of Needs all the way to Self-Actualization, that I'd really
like to push through to a life of greater spirituality, but I'm afraid
of the dark side of Spirit. I talk about the dangers of the Ouiji Board,
the occult, the "demonic possession" of a State certified schizophrenic
aunt, the influence of religious instruction in my youth RE: Satan and
his power. I claim that my drug experimentation in the seventies, which
was supposed to lead to spiritual enlightenment, left me paralyzed with
fear of the dark spirits at the periphery of my psyche instead. It has
been almost a forty year battle now to keep the poltergeists from
getting in and taking over, but with each passing year there are fewer
and fewer attempts by the demons to possess me. The last "near-miss" was
three months ago.
About the time I started eating medicinally again, Ed observes. He asks
me to describe the feeling of attempted take over by the bad guys. The
closest I can come is to say it's like getting butterflies in my stomach
before going on stage. Eating stuffs the feelings associated with the
fear.
I say it's my intent to attend Ed's next Breath Workshop but I know from
reading Grof that the process induces LSD-like episodes and those are
the very episodes I have spent four decades trying to hold at bay. I say
I don't care anymore; I want to go there and confront the paralyzing
paranoia.
Ed speaks of his association with Grof, of the major differences they
have in their respective approaches to breath work, and asks me if I am
willing to feel the dark side.
At this moment I feel the same cold, electric, ball-shrinking tingle of
risk and apprehension that I felt that night in 1970 when I began my
final mescaline / hashish-through-a-Pink Cataba-waterpipe disappearing
act. I say I'm willing.
Ed tells me to ingest a virtual (imaginary) serving of mescaline. I swallow the
virtual hit and begin the process. Ed asks me to go into the feeling of
the dark side. I try to induce the butterflies but they don't come. I
start to do a couple of minor forms and the tribe encourages me to get
into it. I rock a little bit and when they say More of that, I get more
animated but I announce that paranoia paralyzes, and this is not
paralysis. I freeze the motion and squeeze my head in a hand vice,
trying to simultaneously force the dark side to the surface and yet to
subdue its power. Ed says More of that and I squeeze till I'm red in the
face with effort. The blood in my head, the maximum squinting of my eyes
and the pressure of the vice changes the color of my inner world to
darkness and I take this as a proxy for the Invasion of the Body
Snatchers and let myself feel the dark. This leads back to the rocking.
With each upward thrust, light comes in; with each downward plunge, dark
returns. At one point the dark takes on a different hue. I become
subdued and announce that it's very dark inside now, but I feel safe
with unknown, willing to explore. I deliberately stroke the edges of the
wooden chair I sit on. This has specific meaning for me and requires
explanation. I tell the tribe that as a fighter pilot in the seventies,
I would become gripped with fear when the Dark One started to take over
my mind in the cockpit. I knew that ejecting supersonic had a 98%
fatality expectation, and, of course, like the moth to the flame, the
more I tried not to think about it, the more I thought about it.
Ed tells me to go through the ejection procedure. I pull the handles and
squeeze the triggers. "Do it again." Pull, squeeze; pull squeeze. Now
the tribe piles on and I'm pulling and squeezing like the out of control
crazy man I've always been afraid I'll become. Ed says Take it all the
way. When the ache of exercise is carried to full term I convert the
movement into one of slinging the energy off my fingers like so much
slimy snot. Ed says Smile! Enjoy the Dark Side! I make my lips pretend
to like it and pretty soon the slinging becomes the Butterfly Stroke and
I'm pulling myself through Mach 1, Mach 2, now I'm surfing through the
unknown at Warp 8, grinning, gurgling with laughter, digging the
Brilliance. The Butterfly evolves from rapid strokes into deep pulls
whose intent is merely to sustain the trip. I know I've broken through
to the zero point now and I sit still but keep my eyes closed and tell
the tribe that I'm done but that I want to stay in the moment and enjoy
the glide back in.
When I open my eyes Ed asks me what the positive intention of the dark
side is. I say it's to protect me from Danger that lurks in the Unknown.
I say Life is a process: day becomes night becomes day; dark becomes
light becomes dark. It's okay, even fun, exciting and rewarding to go
into the dark. Fear is just another morsel in the Smorgasbord of
emotions, there to be tasted, enjoyed, savored as part of the feast,
part of the process.
Thanks for your help Ed. Thanks, [City].
|
Thank you for sharing your
process.

Mescaline
is the main active ingredient
in peyote, a small, grey-brown cactus
that grows in Mexico and Texas.
Note: The US Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and
Control Act, the Canadian Controlled
Drugs and Substances Act and the international Convention on
Psychotropic Substances all prohibit the use of Mescaline as a Schedule
hallucinogen.
At this point there is no prohibition against imagining
using it.
Clip:
http://toxquebec.com/livre_drogues/
en/images/mescaline.gif |
Tue, 27 Nov
2007
Why
Ed,
Why do we experience anxiety? Why is it that high anxiety can make
people physically sick? |
FAQ does not answer "why"
questions. See ground rules.
You might consider sharing your own process with anxiety and physical
illness. |
Tue, 27 Nov
2007
Associates Program
Diversification of Lag Parameters
see
previous
Ed,
My own research with diversifying time frames across break out systems
shows results similar to those you mention.
My research shows performance drop off with short time frames, as
execution costs start to dominate the results. I see interesting results
with very long time frames.
I view the phase shift and cancellation of component waves as not
dissimilar to that achieved by diversifying across markets.
I intend to get the research underway and, when I have something to
discuss, confer with you.
This may take a week or two, as I schedule it around my other
activities.
I appreciate your encouragement. |
Thank you for participating in the
Associate Program. |
Tue, 27 Nov
2007
Changes Life with Small Tribe
Hi Ed!
Time goes fast. It was a long time since I last wrote to FAQ. I print
out and read every post on TTP FAQ so I rather write to you once in a
while.
I have really changed my life the last year.
The problems I had with sticking to something are now
changed into more will power. At the same time I experience the feeling
"boring" much more often nowadays. I just accept it like everything
else.
I recall one of the statements on the "resources"-page
regarding how it feels to live in the now. I think it was ... something
like - "boring it's not ... and continued with a couple of examples of
how it is to live with observation on a high level. I think it can be
really boring but I don't have a problem with it, but it is an unusual
feeling for me. Before I was digging deep into my fridgebefore I felt
that.
No more food medication.
I also stay on track on my trading models. Some are loosing while others
are doing just fine. If feels good to have several. My own feedback of
wanting to override the rules are good indicators of seeing over the
system.
We are still only two persons in our tribe. I am so happy that I have a
friend who is looking for development as much as I am. We have seen each
other for two years now (every month) and it's still only the two of us.
That is something to think about for those who have a
hard time starting a tribe. It works even though you're only two.
We are looking for more people but nobody has shown up
yet. I wonder if they are equally dedicated their systems as they are
with showing up. We are still curious of how it would work if more
people joined.
Many of my feelings are nowadays regarding how it feels to live a life
without much flexibility. To work hard, exercise, stay on the path, take
care of the family, try to enjoy the everyday life as much as I can. I
can feel it is getting easier to enjoy the now moment and different
situations. I am more open to speak about our tribe techniques and what
it has given to me. I am really advertising.
Thanks for listening. |
Thank you for sharing your process.

Friends
who are open to growth
can form a small tribe.
Clip:
http://img.123greetings.com/eventsnew/
friend_specialfriend/1029-009-68-1068.gif |
Tue, 27 Nov
2007
TT
Associate - Original Research
Diversification of Lag Parameters
see
previous
Hello Ed,
Yes this makes sense.
My understanding of the normalization check is that inspecting if
{S&T}(L0) = {S}L0 allows us to be sure the system, and system heat, is
not altered.
I believe it follows that the position size for each component (S & T)
is ½ of that for S alone.
I am willing to proceed ...
I thank you for the TT web site, I find it a valuable, and unique,
resource. |
Thank you for contributing to TSP.
I think you are on to something and I think you have a good grasp of the
situation.
My own researches show some improvement in Bliss by splitting the
account into sub accounts and then diversifying the sub accounts by
fanning out the the moving average averaging times, exponential average
time constants, Support / Resistance line lengths, etc.
The profits tend to be about the same while the drawdowns become less
severe due to phase shift & cancellation of the component waves.
I'd like you to consider presenting the research in a format such that I
can post it to TSP as another module that extends the knowledge base. |
Mon, 26 Nov
2007
Tribe Meeting - Making Decisions
Ed Visits [City] Tribe 11/25/07
Ed,
First, I thank you for visiting the [City] Tribe on Sunday 25 November.
During your visit, I enjoy learning from your example how better to
process manage, encouraging others in the processes you manage for them,
and experiencing the processes you manage for me.
Second, I thank you for demonstrating for our Tribe the Decision
Process.
As you may recall, at check-in, you help me experience my confusion
regarding which career best accords with my right livelihood: writing,
trading, both, or neither. Later in the meeting, I volunteer to work the
Decision Process between writing and trading.
To begin, you ask me to hold out my hands and I do so. You ask me to
choose one hand as a basket for writing and the other for trading. I
deliberate, then decide trading belongs in my left hand and writing in
my right.
You then ask me to charge my right hand with everything about writing,
pleasant or unpleasant, that is stored in my body. You continue a patter
(" ... constructing characters plots ... ") while I do so. I see pages
of text in my word processor screen and I feel the hesitations I feel
many days before I start to work, along with the joy of peak working
moments when a sense of flow filled me.
After a time, you ask, "Is everything about writing in your right hand?"
I close my eyes. "Yes. I feel a pleasant tingle in it."
You repeat the question. My reply the second time is simply, "Yes."
You then ask me to close my right hand. I do so, loosely.
You then ask me to charge my left hand with everything about trading,
pleasant or unpleasant, that is stored in my body. You continue a patter
(" ... margins leverage ... ") while I do so. I see my broker's internet
interface and I recall my father's unsuccessful trading ventures and my
unwillingness to experience my wife's occasional annoyance that I have
committed money to trade. I feel pride and certainty that I have found a
system that back-tested well and that works in live, real-time trading.
After a time, you ask, "Is everything about trading in your left hand?"
I close my eyes. "Yes. My fingers feel stiff."
You repeat the question. My reply the second time is simply, "Yes."
You then ask me to close my left hand. I do so, loosely.
You say, "Now hold your hands in front of you, like this." I open my
eyes. You hold your hands open in front of you about two feet apart,
palms facing each other and fingers wide. "Now move your hands together,
slowly. Is there any pressure or resistance?"
"No." My hands move easily toward each other. I wonder if I am doing
something wrong. My hands interdigitate.
You ask, "Is everything about writing and trading in your hands?"
"Yes. I feel a warmth circulating in the third and fourth fingers of
both hands."
You repeat the question. My reply the second time is simply, "Yes."
You then ask me to keep my hands interdigitated, bring them to my chest,
and hold them there. I experience a pleasant feeling in my chest.
You ask, "Do you enjoy this? Are you willing to smile?"
The corners of my mouth lift and the muscles around my eyes tighten in a
smile, but my attention is mostly on my hands and chest. You ask again
and smile more fully.
You ask, "Are you a writer or a trader?"
Still smiling, I reply, "I'm both."
Finally, you ask me to separate my hands and return all the things about
writing and trading that I charged into my hands to their normal storage
places in my body. I do so. We then check out.
Later, after the meeting, I meet my wife and my mother for dinner and
then at a grocery store. I feel things in my subconscious have shifted,
perhaps like an ice pack breaking up. My wife asks, "Are you okay?
You're staring into space."
"I'm still processing the meeting," I tell her.
The biggest change I have noticed so far today is that I have chosen not
to check my trading positions and equity yet today. In the past, I have
typically checked my trading positions and equity two or three times a
day prior to implementing my system in the early evening. I will observe
myself to see if I continue to choose not to check my trading positions
and equity and what feelings come up in choosing to check or not check.
Third, I thank you for describing the Rocks Process. In the meeting, as
you describe the Rocks Process, I feel irritation that you spend time
discussing something that I have read on FAQ and other pages of your
site. I then realize that others in my Tribe may not have read about the
Rocks Process and the irritation fades away.
As you may recall, in the meeting a number of us recognize that even if
our conscious minds know something to be true, our sub consciousnesses
may not have integrated it into our complete personalities.
Last night, I dream. I am in the grocery store and faced with a decision
between two products (two types of olive oil, one with a white label,
the other with a yellow label). Under the dream's ground rules, I have a
Medicinal Rock which urges me to choose the white label olive oil.
Instead, I reach for a bottle of the yellow label olive oil and I feel a
moment of unease as the pent-up energy of the Medicinal Rock tries to
ground itself.
In reality, in the grocery store about eleven hours before I dream, I
choose the yellow label olive oil with no unease at all. |
Thank you for sharing your process.

Interdigitation
may reduce day-trading.
Clip:
http://moblog.co.uk/blogs/306/thumbs/
moblog_27cd3ae1bcc1b.jpg
|
Mon, 26 Nov
2007
US Dollar #2
see
previous
Hi Ed,
I notice quite a bit of ‘TV coverage’ on the dollar story this morning
on this side of the water, please see below.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?
pid=20601087&sid=a_eSyZb6zpDQ&refer=home |
Thank you for the URL. |
Mon, 26 Nov
2007
Trading with Smaller Accounts
Hi Ed,
In recent years, what's the minimum trading capital requirements to get
decent risk / reward ratios ? |
In the US, the minimum account might
be one cent. Decency is up to you to define.

How to make 10,000 %
The trader trades his penny
and gets a toothpick in return.
He then finds a man
with some popcorn between his teeth
and trades the toothpick
for a $1.01.
The round turn nets him
a profit of $1.00
or 100 times his initial capital
for a 10,000% profit.

Decency
is typically a reflection
of the judgments
of the beholder.
Clips:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/
commons/e/e2/United_States_penny,
_obverse,_2002.jpg
http://www.microminiskirts.com/Tiny_String_
Bikini-Plain_Indecent_Bikini_Enlarged.jpg
|
Sun, 25 Nov
2007
Medicating Sadness
Hi Ed,
Reading some of the FAQs regarding the rock process, it seems a lot of
our gut reaction has to do with "medicating sadness."
From observation, it also seems that happiness and sadness are two
ends of the spectrum, that it is innate to us to 1) pursue happiness
and 2) avoid sadness.
It seems that in vast majority of cases, we learn ineffective ways to
deal with sadness from our childhood. Now we get older, we try to use
the Rock Process to reprogram such that we can deal with sadness more
effectively.
I wonder if it is more efficient if we can learn the effective ways in
the first place, so that we don't need the Rock Process later on to
"unlearn" it. If so, can you suggest some ways we may learn how to
deal with sadness effectively? Or if it is too late as an adult, what
are some ways to help a child learn how to deal with sadness
effectively? |
You might consider taking your own
issues about <sadness> to Tribe.
When you come to know the positive
intentions of sadness and when you come to develop pro-active resources
for responding to sadness, you automatically become a role model for
your child.

Three Sisters
mourn the loss of their brother.
Clip:
http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2005/
03/23/sadness-and-joy/ |
Sun, 25 Nov
2007
Studying Oneself
Ed says, "If you wish to trade for a living you might consider
studying yourself."
Can you please provide some ways to do so? |
One way is per the illustration
below. Another is to take your questions to Tribe.

Self Examination
by the DIM
(Do It Myself)
method.
As iron sharpens iron,
so one man sharpens another.
Proverbs 27:17 (NIV)
Clip:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/
chappersanddave/galleries/514/1/
|
Sun, 25 Nov
2007
Associate Program - A couple AHA's.
1) General - a mentor does not know the answer to everything, but a
mentor is able to listen to a mentee and understand the block. A
successful mentor is then able to help the mentee unblock and maybe even
have their own "aha."
2) Personal - I admit I am a funny mentalist at heart. I love to
discover "surpriseamentals" and make great profits. I became aware of a
fantastic supriseamental opportunity in 2005 known as "the global real
estate / credit bubble."
I finally make huge profits this September, October, and November (2007)
when the surpriseamentals become widely recognized by other market
participants. But I lost even greater money trying to guess when the
surpriseamentals would become recognized by the "crowd" between 2005 and
2007.
I have a horrifying "aha" this afternoon, where I realize that a simple
technical system following price in the particular "supriseamental
prone" securities (100+) I have been tracking since 2005 could have done
the work for me.
I become more fearful when I realize that I took greater enjoyment from
"predicting" these surpriseamentals than I did from making the "huge"
profits that came as a result. My AHA is to ask myself what game am I
playing? And am I playing to "win"? |
Thank you for sharing your process.
Helping others typically
rewards the helper in surprising ways. |
Sun, 25
Nov 2007
Looking for Something #2
see previous
Ed,
Ed Says:
At this point, your ideal mate, reflecting you, might be somewhere out
there, looking for (and being careful not to find) you.
Things doesn't happen the way I wish to when I find an "ideal" mate, or
otherwise the ideal mate finds me. I am not sure about what my role is
in this setup, other than languishing in loneliness, and complaining to
others and writing FAQ about it. I cannot and I don't want to control
somebody who is looking for (and being careful not to find) me.
P.S.: How could you get it? You've indeed become a "wizard".
|
You might consider joining or
forming a Tribe so you can implement TTP. |
Sun, 25 Nov
2007
TT
Associate - Diversifying Across Lags
Defining an
Original Research Project
Ed,
I see there is a TSP module that discusses diversification across
markets.
How about diversification across time frames of a system? For example
run a simple system with parameters a and b. Concurrently run the same
system with parameters c and d, such that each system tends to capture
trends in different time frames.
There may be a connection with the proposed module “Optimizing a Trend
System”. However the difference is that rather than trying to find the
optimal parameters we are investigating combining (possibly) sub-optimal
parameters to see if it improves performance over a single parameter
result. The optimal parameters are only known with hindsight.
If this is not suitable I am open to an idea of your choice. |
Thank you for your interest in TSP.
Note: see links above for
information on TSP and the Associates Program.
I like your idea: diversify a portfolio by creating sub-systems with
various values for the system response lag.
To demonstrate the lag-diversification principle,
you might consider taking an optimal system, S from TSP - and then
diversifying it with another test system T.
You can then try various values for one of the lags in T, say L. Then
you can examine the contour of bliss results for values of L to see if
any B{S&T}(L) surpasses B{S}(L0) by itself.
As a normalization check for inadvertent alteration of the system, check
that the solution for L = L0 duplicates the original optimal S solution.
In this case you are running the sum of two identical half-systems.
Let me know if this makes sense to you
and if you are willing to proceed.
If so, I would suggest we communicate by phone
or in person to further define the testing plan. |
Sat, 24 Nov
2007
Looking for
Something
Ed, I was watching this movie at
http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=AqqwhiTDHHc
and thinking
about something I have been looking for: a pretty, receptive, friendly
and easy-going girl. I also would like her to be a bit introverted: I
like introverted women.
But then, watching this video reminds me of events in the past and that
also tell me something about the present time: there is something
between me and my desire.
Perhaps it
could be lack of entitlement ... Whatever I notice wishing to have or be
someone is not the same as having or being what we desire.
Do you think
this tension of not having or being what we wish to is part of the
creation process? |
Thank you for sharing your process.
You might consider taking your
feelings about <looking for something> to Tribe.
At this point, your ideal mate,
reflecting you, might be somewhere out there, looking for (and being
careful not to find) you. |
Sat, 24 Nov
2007
The Dollar
Might be Ready to Turn
Hallo Ed,
Dies ist die
wichtigste wöchentliche Zeitschrift in Deutschland.
Noch eine Woche und dann steigt der Dollar?

The Dive of the Dollar
|
Thank you for sending me the cover,
the first such on a major weekly about the recent dollar decline.
When the move is near full discount
you might see similar covers appearing on The Economist, Forbes, US
News, People Magazine, Rolling Stone, etc.

The Rise in the Euro
|
Thu, 22 Nov
2007
Happy Thanksgiving Day
Ed,
I am thankful for your work and support.
Happy Thanksgiving Day to you and your family. |
Thank
you for your encouragement. |
Fri, 23 Nov
2007
How to Become a
Millionaire
Hi Ed,
In my younger days I used to actively collect coins & to a much much
lesser extent, Banknotes.
I still have an interest in numismatics even to this day.
I mention this because upon seeing your nice collection of German Weimar
Republic Banknotes (at the Workshop) I was prompted to start a small
collection of Banknotes (for my own interest and amusement) focusing
strictly on the Banknotes associated with Countries that have gone
through a Hyper-Inflationary phase during the last 100 years or so.
To my surprise, I have found that at least 30 different countries have
had the experience of serious triple digit (or more) Hyper-Inflation -
and this is in the 20th century only! (so much for a small collection).
My favorite notes are the 500 Billion Dinara note from Yugoslavia (1993)
which, at the time, could have bought you a nice lunch (but only if you
were frugal) and, wait for it, the 100 Million Billion Pengo note from
Hungary (1945).

Yugoslavian 500 B Dinara Note

Hungarian 100 M B Pengo Note
See
http://www.milliondollarbabies.com/ for further info.
Who says you can’t be a millionaire, or billionaire or trillionaire?
I note that the current trend in the Money Supply figures in many of
today's Countries (especially the Anglo countries & China) seems to be
on the up.
I therefore anticipate, in the next few years, adding some of these 21st
Century Banknotes to my collection as well. |
Thank you for your notes.
Paper currency rests on agreements
that people make about its value. When people question that
agreement, the value can change.

Yogi Berra (May 12, 1925 - )
Yogi says:
a verbal contract
isn't worth the paper it's written on.
Clip:
http://redbirdnation.blogspot.com/
yogiberra292x374.jpg |
Wed, 21 Nov
2007
Tight
Rope #2
see previous
Hi Ed,
Our equity curve makes an all-time high and I feel my walking on a tight
rope form.
I go with it. I start to see that my habitual response to
this is to fall, that way I don't have to feel the uncertainty that goes
along with a profession like trading.
I go with it some more. I see that the positive intention
is to remind me that there's risk out there that I need to navigate. In
fact, my job as a discretionary trader is a tight rope walker. That's
what I get paid to do.
I go with it some more. I'm going from one building to
another, navigating the uncertainty in between. I notice that my head is
arced back, looking at the sky. What's this? I don't want to see the
uncertainty. I immediately drop everything and determine my risk on all
of my open positions. Its a lot, almost 1/3 of my equity. I freeze
up. Now I'm walking the rope but only looking down. I feel paralyzed.
I decide to reframe it. Now I'm walking the rope, with my
eyes on the other building, well aware of my downside. I'm no longer
afraid of the risk because I see that its worth it and these are well
thought out positions. For the first time I actually see myself getting
to the other side. It feels great. |
Thank you for sharing your process.
You might consider taking your
feelings of <paralysis> to Tribe.

Sometimes the Eyes Lead
and the body follows.
Clip:
http://reformingstudents.files.wordpress.com/
2007/09/tightrope.jpg |
Wed, 21 Nov
2007
Right Livelihood & Juggling
Ed
Is it possible to find Right Livelihood as a juggler?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?
docid=4776181634656145640&q=
amazing+juggling+finale&total=
39&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0 |
Thank you for sending the URL.
This juggler seems to have some
talent as a percussionist. |
Wed, 21 Nov
2007
Funny-Mental Trading & Inner Knowing
Hi Ed,
Let me share a recent experience.
I was fully in one stock. I knew I shouldn't have been but I couldn't
help be believe all the hype. The technical looked great as well. I
justified to my-self I should be fully loaded up one this stock going
into earnings.
I had a dream one night. The stock gapped down. I had this awful feeling
in my gut the morning after and wondered if my subconscious was trying
to tell me something. Whilst driving a little voice kept telling me to
lighten my position. I kept justifying being 100% in to my-self and told
my-self to ignore this little voice. I knew I was doing wrong but I
refused to listen to logic. I guess greed was a bigger factor?
Everyone was convinced the stock was going to gap up on earning and be
up 50% in three months. People were telling others what they were going
to buy with the profits. This was another red flag to me. Again the
voice told me if everyone was so overly bullish get out … or at least
lighten your position. I knew I should have done this but again I
refused to listen to my common sense.
The stock gapped down 20% before it opened the next day on missed
earnings. I felt sick. How could I have been so stupid? I thought I was
above this. I get out at the open and licked my wounds. Whilst it was
painful loss … I felt I was taught a big lesson. I was gambling and
whilst I took a 15% loss on my total portfolio that one day at least I
live to fight another day. I hope I have learned my lesson and I
NEVER repeat this again in my investing career.
There really is no such thing as a sure thing in the stock market. I
knew this, yet I acted like this was the one exception. Lesson learnt.
|
Thank you for sharing your process.
You might consider taking your
feelings about <loading up> to Tribe.
If you still have a k-not about any
of the feelings that relate to this incident, you might still have a
tendency to repeat the cycle.
Getting clear may help you to
distinguish between intuition and into-wishing.

FRE Fall
|
Wed, 21 Nov
2007
Volatility #2
see:
volatility
Ed,
Ed Says: Curiously, this definition assigns a
volatility of zero to a price that increases by the same amount every
day. In this way, you can have high ATR and zero volatility.
When you say, "You can have a 'high ATR'", do you mean a "high ATR" if
we are comparing several securities and their respective ATR/Price
ratio? I feel that in order to classify an ATR as "High" we need to
compare the ATR to something in order to define it as "High".
PS. Standard deviation never sat well with my gut. For me, the ATR/Price
ratio seems to more easily lend itself to gut understanding of a
security's volatility. I tend to think in terms of "The ATR/Price ratio
is telling me this security is going up and down by 5% of its price on
average (IE. using a basis of N days)."
PPS. Do you ever chat with Mr. Sharpe about his ratio and its merits as
a risk/reward measure?
|
I see a number of issues with the
Black-Scholes Model.
One is that you can have arbitrarily
high ATR and zero volatility.
Another is that, by using the 20 day
moving average, you can register a volatility event today from an
expiring price spike twenty days ago. |
Tue, 20 Nov
2007
My Experience with TSP modules
Hi Ed:
I am calm now, but will try my best to recall what
happens when I work on the Trading Systems Project.
I am a beginner in the Associates Program. Many times I click on the TSP
link,
http://www.seykota.com/tribe/TSP/index.htm
with a goal of completing the Resources section.
I look through the first two Word documents on math. I know these; read
them many times; even print and file them so it is official I start the
program.
Next, I click on Exponential Lags, and read. Again, I am here many
times; the words make sense; I have a car bumper; I know what you mean.
Then, I see the formula and I get angry. It reminds me of being little
when I am at school, and I see something for the first time that I don't
understand. I get tense, then angry, and often cry because I know other
kids get it and I don't. I try not to cry; I do my best to hold back;
this always makes it worse as I finally break down in sobs.
I look at the formula again and again. I tell myself to calm down; I
tell myself, "I can do this." I actually say these words out loud.
Then, I get angry, really, really mad. I think, "Why can't he just speak
English, so I can get this?!"
All other times, I quit right here. I allow myself to wait and try again
later. But, today is different. I feel like if I can't finish the TSP
modules, then I might as well quit trading and forget all this stuff.
I allow myself to cry; sob like a little child. This is how I know it
reminds me of when I was little. A light bulb comes on because I recall
getting older, and braver, and able to accomplish many difficult things.
I go back to the formula and write it down on paper.
I then go to the spreadsheet (Spreadsheet Computation for Exponential
Average) and stare at the numbers. I just focus on the numbers until I
finally see a pattern. It is only after seeing the pattern does the
formula make sense. I plug the numbers in, and YES the formula works!
I am happy I get it, but a deep sadness rushes over me. I wonder why I
have to make my life so difficult.
Thank you for all the work you do, and for creating the materials and
atmosphere to help me learn so much about myself.
|
Thank you for sharing your process.

People Who Take Math
an / or programming issues
to Tribe
typically discover
that once their feelings come out,
they magically know the solution.

Just For Fun
Clips:
http://web.mit.edu/smaurer/www/
blog/051022%20shirts/math1.jpg
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/week234.html |
Mon, 19 Nov
2007
Father and Son (II)
see
previous
Ed,
Thank you for posting the link to a touching story of
Father and Son. A 65 father and a 43 son stick to
their life principles and work together to make their
life better. I feel moved and my eyes get wet. |
OK.
Video Link:
http://bluesequoia.multiply.com/
video/item/8/Father_and_Son
|
Mon, 19 Nov
2007
Right Livelihood and Cutting Losses
Ed,
I own and operate a successful [retail franchise] for 3 years and I have
the business up for sale for approximately 11 months now. My knowledge
and passion of trading grows everyday while my disdain and disgust at
being the franchisee of a person I learn is quite a shameful, dishonest,
stifling franchisor, makes me sick to my stomach.
My involvement with the daily operations of this business
feels like a thorn in my mind as I delve deeper into system development
and research.
Since my
Father is the guarantor of the franchise, I feel as if I am in a trap. I
cannot simply walk away since my family is my highest priority and will
suffer drastic financial consequences if I let the business fail, and I
also feel that I cannot continue full steam ahead with my trading
research or personal life for that matter. I am 25 years old and feel as
though I am wasting my youth on unproductive activities that are not in
alignment with my right livelihood.
This franchise experience aids in my growth tremendously and has made me
a better business person. But I feel a need to move on now, and it seems
that I cannot do this swiftly enough for my needs.
AHA, after writing the above, it seems as though I may not be willing to
experience the emotions of dropping the sale price for the store enough
to entrain a swift sale!!!
Hmmm, seems like trend following at its finest: take a
small loss on the sale price, and do more of what's working and feels
like right livelihood. |
Thank you for sharing your process
and for your insights about changing careers..
Many people seem to get an aha that
solves their problem while they write to FAQ.

Ideas Flow
out of the willingness
to experience your feelings
about your problem.
Clip:
http://www.binary-infotech.com/blog/
wp-content/idea-bulb-neon-300px.jpg
|
Mon, 19 Nov
2007
Tight Rope
So I switched from selling the ES to the ER2 for the trade I told you
about last week. I'm still riding the majority. This is currently one of
my best trades of the year. That brings up a scary thought.
I have a very strong intuitive feel for the markets that I watch.
However, I haven't even started to work through my k-nots. I feel that
the combination gives me a highly effective ability to blow myself up if
the drama of the week calls for it. I feel that as a discretionary
trader, I'm walking on a tight rope. I'll have to bring <walking on a
tight rope> to the tribe.
Thank you for being so willing to share the process. If there's anyway I
can help you broadcast it to the world, please let me know.
PS - walking on a tight rope form comes on viciously. I recognize that I
feel this often without being aware of it.
|
Thank you for sharing your process.

Willingness to Experience
being on the tightrope
assists in traversing the path.
Clip:
http://homepage.psy.utexas.edu/
homepage/group/telchlab/Heights.htm
|
Mon, 19 Nov
2007
Mentoring
Hi Ed!
I would like to share some thoughts with you I am experiencing
throughout today.
You may recall in some of our earlier conversions that it is my
intention to take much of the wisdom, insights and knowledge I get in
our relationship and “pass it on.”
I want to clarify I do not mean the any of the actual
contents or subjects of our conversations but the way in which you have
show me to receive, commit, support and to listen.
I am currently “actively” mentoring an individual based on my
experiences with you, he seems to be experiencing greater clarity,
awareness and happiness, he also enjoys incredible career progress since
we started.
The relationship is very similar in that he knows he can
contact me 24/7 and I am willing receive whatever comes up.
I notice one of your remarkable gifts is to simplify processes with
clarity. In trading you once responded to a question about your trading
rules the answer still resonates around global trading houses (Cut
Losses, Ride Winners, Keep bets small, Follow rules without question,
know when to break the rules).
I wonder if you might share any clarity on successful mentoring
processes, you appear to have mentored many wonderful people whom have
gone on to achieve incredible successes both in business and personally,
I am most interested in any insights you might have on successful
mentoring.
Right now I recall you saying you don’t tell people what they should or
should not do many times in our conversations, you also work with those
whom show “willing” and pass on the ones whom are unwilling. |
Thank you for sharing your process.
Mentoring others is an excellent way
to keep learning.

In the Mentoring Process
sometimes you lift
sometimes you climb
and sometimes you are the star.
Clip:
http://www.pwcs.edu/curriculum/
orgstaffdev/images/mentor.jpg
|
Mon, 19 Nov
2007
Breath Work
Ed,
A couple of years ago I had a great opportunity to take part in a breath
work seminar with 4 other people I worked with it was a great
experience.
Since than I
have had many good things happen in my life buy getting rid of some of
the guilt feelings and releasing some old negative thoughts. I would
like to be able to do the breath work again also my wife Tracy is
interested too.
Do you have any upcoming dates for a breath work class? |
I host a Breath Work Weekend from
time to time, generally in response to demand.

Secret to a Long Life
Keep Breathing
Clip:
http://www.holessence.com/images/
325_Breathwork_II_Jul08_0932AM.jpg
|
Sat, 17 Nov
2007
Passive
Aggressive
Hi Ed,
I am passive-aggressive all my life. Of course, I came across this idea
many times before, but now for some reason, I have no doubt that this is
me all the way. When I look back and realize what I actually did so many
times (being p/a) instead of what I thought I was doing (doing the right
thing), I see my behavior clearly and the symptoms cry out loud:
“passive aggressive”. How did I managed to escape the realization and
the impact I made on others with my illusions of self? It’s crazy.
This is the truth about me and it terrifies me – especially the fact
that I missed this feeling/insight earlier.
I pray to God so I can heal one day.
Speaking of God – God bless you for helping others. |
Thank you for sharing your process.
Passive-Aggressive is not a feeling.
It is a set of Rock responses that may medicate deeper feelings.
You might consider taking your
feelings of <terror> to Tribe.

Terror-Proof Travel
Clip:
http://plancksconstant.org/blog1/image2/
terror-proof-airline.jpg |
Sat, 17 Nov
2007
Volatility
Dear Ed,
What is volatility?
Does a High ATR value mean that price is volatile?
Thanks,
|
Volatility refers to the amount of
change per time period.
One popular measure of price
volatility is the standard deviation of a series of price changes.
Curiously, this definition assigns a
volatility of zero to a price that increases by the same amount every
day.
In this way, you can have
arbitrarily high ATR
and zero volatility. |
Sat, 17 Nov
2007
Tribe
Meeting at Incline Village
Ed,
Who needs Valium when they've got TTP? Thank you for going to the hot
seat, for feeling your feelings publicly, for holding yourself out as an
example, and for accepting the Process Manager's, and the Tribe's,
support.
You might
enjoy remembering that we support you in your successes as well as in
your frustrations.
Thank you for your integrity as Process Manager during the snapshot
episode.
Thank you for inviting the surprise mystery guest to attend the meeting.
Thank you for your selfless service. |
Thank you for your encouragement.
In TTP, the Tribe leader's active
participation on the hot seat is particularly essential.

The Hot Seat
It's the place to be,
with no ifs ands or butts.

Hot Seat
for people who are going places.
Clips:
http://www.endemol.co.za/UploadedImages/
Hot%20seat%202(2).jpg
http://www.joe-ks.com/archives_nov2004/
HotSeat.jpg
|
Tue, 09 Oct
2007
Attribution
Ed,
I see a is a quote attributed to you and I wonder if it is real.
The legendary trader Ed Seykota once claimed he could decide to
purchase an asset by sticking the chart on the wall and looking at
it from across the room. If the uptrend was apparent from that far
away, it was strong enough to buy. As our three-year chart of
Monsanto shows, the grain rally is one of those "I can see it from
across the room" charts.
|
I recall saying you can stand the
chart up against the back of a chair. The Stick-it-on-the-wall idea is a
modification that would seem to give similar results. |
|