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Jun 22, 2019

More on Four - See June 13


I hear you. Focus on what I really want. Clarify intention.
Thank you for receiving the message.

I recall, back in the day, recommending Reminiscences of a Stock Operator (LeFevre), The Crowd (Le Bon), Popular Delusions (McKay) and books of historical charts. 

You can read them again today to see how little things change.

I also recall, back in the day, believing that more knowledge (and higher marks in school) lead to more success.  Lately, I assign more importance to internal states, such as focusing on what you want - and on maintaining intimacy-centric connections with others.
June 22, 2019

Austin Tribe Meeting Report - Rock and Role

Hi Ed,

We have a Tribe meeting on Friday afternoon.

I report to the Tribe that when I worry about something, I'm easy to be preoccupied and it compromises my ability to conduct normal functionalities.

For example, the day before I come to the meeting, I start to worry about that the airline may force me to check in my violin. It's a new and expensive violin to me and my teacher tells me that if I allow airline to do so, it may destroy me violin.

The morning before I go to airport, I am in panic and don't know what to do. Eventually I decide to bring my violin with me. After I arrive at Austin, I find that I forget my computer monitor cables and my tooth brush. It's not a big problem but I concern very much such pattern of letting worry or anxiety interfere my normal duty. Next time I might make greater mistake.

Tribe help me to get into my feelings and forms. I recall when I was little, I see my dad cries at dinner table and worries about his sinusitis. "I must have cancer and I will die!" he whines. My mom scold him and tell him to stop crying like a baby. I feel embarrassed. 
Another member also checks in his problem of anxiety. And he has to take medication constantly to calm him down. Tribe help him amplify his form of anxiety and he recalls that when he was a child, his father whop him after he gets a poor score, 3 out of 20, in his spelling test.

One member reports his feeling of anxiety. During form development, he recalls that he once help his dad to fix the car. His dad asks him to hold the light and he feel tired after couple hours. His dad gets mad at him and call him lazy and good for nothing, and hit him on top of ear.

One member report that he is not able to develop a deep, long term relationship with his companion. He had an argument when she criticizes him. Tribe help him to follow his feelings on the chest and he recall that his mom criticizes him as well.

We role play the kid gets whopped by his dad. I play the mother. A tribe member play the surrogate son who just had a bad score in his spelling test. When the surrogate  son tells me the score, he asks me how I feel. I tell him I am disappointed and worried. When the father is about to whip him with his belt, the son ask him if he feels angry. The dad says yes and tell him his own father beats him when he had bad score. And the father believes getting hit help him behave. "It only helps to turn you into an angry man", says the surrogate son. He continues by share his feelings with the father.

In the next process. I play the busy father who has his son help him in the garage. The situation remind me my own experience in the garage when having my son helping me to do repairs. I feel stressful, tired and unhappy that my son acts passively. In the play, start to tell my son that he is lazy, good for nothing. I hit him on his arm. Next, we play this in  the intimacy centric model.

The son asks me how I feel. I tell him I am tired and helpless. The son looks surprise, he never knows his father would feel tired. Because his father always do chores and is always busy. He thank me for telling him. And he offers to do the repair for me. I feel surprised that my son has grown up and can help me now. I tell him I feel relieved.

During the next role play, when my dad whining about his fear of death, my mom tells him that she feel annoyed and embarrassed. She also feel scared because she is a woman and she feel the husband is no longer reliable. PM mentions that this role play is different from others because I am not in the center of the stage of the drama. But during the role play, I share with my dad how I feel when he acts worried. I tell him that I also feel scared. My dad tells me that he never realize how he affects me and the family and tell me not to worry.

The last role play happens between the member and his girl friend. The member express his feeling of wanting to be able to share feelings. She tells him how she feels jealous. He eccourages her to say more and he conversation runs more peacefully.

This meeting has more role plays and I like it more than before. I like more role play. Sometimes insights and realizations is not as good as just diving into muscle train and acquire the moves.

Thank you for sharing your process and for documenting the meeting.
June 21, 2019

Tribe Meeting Report - Sock It To Me


I wonder why my ears don’t tingle; I go to Austin Tribe. It comes up during the second check-in – progress since last meeting. I say that I miss the warm glow and tingling in my ears when I am making money and moving forward in life. I explain that I don’t know if the feeling has moved in my body or if I just don’t feel it anymore. I complain about lack of progress and Tribe amplifies the feelings.

I ramp it up and feel it. I twist my hands and rock. How does it feel to not make progress? The form moves around as I narrow in on the feeling. I’m getting into it pretty good when Chief adds now smile while you are doing that. “You like it”. I like the feeling of not making progress. The smile makes the link.

I continue and the words “I’m lazy and good for nothing” come into my mind. The standard beratement from my childhood. “Lazy and good for nothing” I shout. PM guides the experience to a memory.  I’m in my Father’s workshop and I am around 8 years old. I’m shocked to recall that being clipped around the ears can certainly warm them up and make them tingle.

I have two jobs. Hold the workshop hand lamp and fetch tools. It is one of the few interactions I have with my Father. The lamp is hot and not well insulated. My father is always working in the workshop. Always.  Holding the lamp is boring and fraught with danger. It is a delicate balance to shine the light in just the right place at the right time and keep the shade angled to not get any light in my father’s eyes. The tools are fetched from the drawer chest. The memory hits me in the stomach. I forgot about the drawers. It towers over me as a child and I climb on lower drawers to reach the higher ones. Some drawers are organized – the ones that don’t see much use, many are overflowing and impossible for me to find anything in. This sets the role play.

He can hear me playing nearby and calls me in. I don’t want to do it. Holding the lamp is boring and always ends in a fight. I reluctantly obey. I am standing over the engine with my father holding the lamp. My father is played by a Tribe member and the engine is a pot plant. It seems real to me; all I can see is the engine. I fetch tools and hold the light. I make a mistake - my Father calls me lazy and good for nothing and jabs me. I am shocked at the accuracy. I go and hide outside. In Tribe I am hiding behind a sofa chair.

We go again and this time the interaction is different. I ask my father how he feels about working all the time. He does it to stay busy, and I realize that he is avoiding my Mother. He says that he feels tired. He always seems to have endless energy to work hour after hour, I never thought that he could be tired. I tell him that I will help and that I can do more than just hold the light and fetch tools. I tell him that I can help fix the car because I have been watching him do it for so long. He says that he would like that. We work on the car together. He tells me that he is proud of me. I feel emotional hearing the words.

I can’t fix my Father’s workaholism - I fix my drawers! I have drawers at home where I can’t find anything. I call my Wife and tell her about the drawers. She also has feelings about my sock drawer which irritates her because it is a permanent mess. I give her the go ahead to purge the worn-out socks.

Life is a little easier.

Thank you.

Before and After

Thank you for sharing your process and for documenting the meeting.
June 20, 2019

Tribe Meeting Report - TTP Salad


I separate the work of our four Tribe Members into four separate processes.  In the actual meeting, we seem to have all four processes open and proceeding at once, with people advancing their own explorations while participating as surrogates in each other’s dramas - kind of a TTP salad.

After drumming, we proceed to survey issues.

Tribe Member 1

M1 says he suffers from anxiety and “can’t do things quickly” and that a lot of things “pop up.”  He also discloses that he uses an anti-depressant. He feels it quiets his mind and helps him concentrate.

The Tribe advises him to not change his drug regimen without first consulting with his psychiatrist and that an anti-depressant might prevent his from accessing some of his feelings and participating fully in TTP. He elects to proceed.

The Tribe helps him access a form in which he squeezes his fist and says he does not want to learn.  He emerges with a recollection of his father beating him for getting 3 out of 20 spelling words correctly on his spelling test.

We arrange a role play in which he comes home from school, meets his mother and tells her about his test.  She tells his father who then beats him with a section of rubber hose.  In the actual role play, the father hits a nearby chair with a wooden spoon to create a spanking sound.  The sound of the beating, the position of M1 bending over to receive the beating and the sound of the angry father, drive M1 To tears, despite his MAO inhibitor.

M1 confirms the role play as an accurate simulation of his childhood situation.

We then re-run the simulation with a surrogate, standing for M1, who uses the Heart Rock.  When he comes home, he and his mother have a discussion about their feelings.  Later he has a talk with his father about their feelings.  His father recalls receiving beatings from his own father for poor test results in school.  Ultimately, the son and father agree to work together to help the son prepare for the next exam.

M1 can hardly believe what he sees.  With some coaching, he, too, gets a similar result using intimacy-centric relating.  He considers consulting with his psychiatrist to reduce his dosage of his SSRI Drug and to deal with his feelings by accepting them rather than suppressing them. The Tribe advises him to check with his psychiatrist and to recount his Tribe experience and also to change his regimen only with professional approval.

Tribe Member 2

M2 shares tingling in his ears and general dissatisfaction with his living situation.  He enters a form of wringing his hands and saying “I’m not good enough.”  Presently, with more Tribe encouragement, he winds up holding a mechanic’s lamp for his father, working in his body shop on a car. His father continuously berates his son (M2) for not holding the lamp properly, calling him “Lazy and good for nothing.”  Occasionally, his father sends him off to fetch a wrench or other tool.  The shop tool bay has drawers with little organization and a lot of clutter and M2 has difficulty finding the tool. This results in even more berating.

We run the Rocks Process and the son discovers the father uses work, anger and clutter as ways avoid avoid intimacy with his wife.  Using the Heart Rock, M2 receives authorization from the father to graduate from lamp holder to mechanic.  At the end of the role play, we see the father  supportively holding the lamp for M2 who fixes a problem with the transmission.

During the checkout, M2 reveals he has very messy clothes drawers, full, among other things, of old underwear with holes, more suitable as shop rags than as wearing apparel.  One of the other Tribe members challenges M2 to call his wife and authorize her to clean out the clutter before M2 returns home. He reluctantly agrees to consider the suggestion.

Tribe Member 3

M3 reports anxiety and inability to make decisions.  On a recent air flight he has trouble deciding whether or not to bring his fine violin, for fear of having to check it in and bear the risk of damage.  He does not consider calling ahead to find out airline policy, preferring to “sweat it out” until he gets to the gate.  (They wind up allowing the extra carry-on) He gets into forms and winds up with a recollection of his father having trouble making decisions while his wife derides him in front of the children, saying, “Don’t cry like a baby.” 

We run the role play and discover that, even using the Heart Rock, M3 does not have much effect on the interaction between his mother and father – as he does not, himself, appear as a major player in the drama.  He concludes that he does not have to intervene or even worry about the conflicts between other people.  He may find application of these insights in his current living situation, in which three generations occasionally live together under one roof and have judgments about each other and occasionally get into conflicts.

Tribe Member 4

M4 says he wants to have a deeper and more solid relationships.  He recalls trying to sustain intimacy-centric relating and then checking out when his significant other shares her feelings. She regards his checking out insulting and evidence of insincerity.

M4 gets into forms and reports feeling drowsy,  The Tribe encourages him and he briefly falls asleep.  He then recalls using the fall-asleep method throughout his life to avoid pain - including the pain of rejection and the fear of desertion, feelings he recalls having during his childhood. 

He exchanges his rejection-to-shutdown rock for the Heart Rock and manages to stay awake during the balance of the process.  Another Tribe member shares that in his own relationship, he might connect emotionally with his wife for around five minutes per day and that M4 might find his goal of having a “mostly intimate” relationship unsustainable.  M4 commits to trying his new stay-awake method and reporting back with the results.
Thank you for sharing your process and for documen(McKay)ting the meeting.
June 18, 2019

Tribe Meeting Report  - TTP and Bupropion

Hello Ed,

On June 14th we have a Trading Tribe meeting. We are 4 people present ,TM 1, TM2 , TM 3 and TM 4.

We begin by all hitting on some drums.

TM 1 checks in first. TM 1 begins by explaining that since childhood he gets hit a lot by his father for performing poorly in school and brings up a specific case for when he got 3/20 for an English spelling quiz in grade 4. He continues to explain that later in life he was told that he has a mental deficiency in some neurotransmitters and has to take a MAO drug. This medication helps his mental performance be where he needs it to be to complete a college degree and be a strong employee at his company. TM 1 says although he has good mental performance he feels numb from the medication and wants to learn how to cope without them and thinks TTP can help him achieve this. During his explanation a few forms come out. "Things keep popping up" is said with a hand movement that shows bouncing. The Tribe encourage more of this form and TM 1 to repeat "Things keep popping up."

TM 2 Begins his check in. TM2 says he used to get tingling in his ears when he was making money but now the tingling feeling has gone and he wants it back and wants to explore it more.   

TM 3 Begins his check in. TM 3 explains he experiences a lot of anxiety when faced with a scenario where he doesn't know if the airline will allow him to check both his laptop and new violin in as hand luggage. He hears of stories where checked in luggage gets treated very poorly and gets damage. He fears this will happen with his new violin.

TM 4 Begins his  check in. TM 4 says he wants to work on a certain result that he keeps getting when he tries to a have close intimacy centric relationships.

TM 1 sits in the Hot seat with TM. TM 1 Tries to get into the feeling of anxiety and stress and starts to squeeze his hands very tight. His whole body starts to go tight and the Tribe encourages him to go deeper. He mentions it feels a little numb since he still has a lot of the medication in his system.

TM 2 sits in the Hot seat. TM 2 beings with a feeling of not being enough. His arms go tight and straight with his hands squeezing tighter and tighter. He realizes that his father calls him "Lazy good for nothing" when he is a child helping his father by holding a light over the car engine but sometimes gets tired and doesn't hold it just right. Keeps calling him "Lazy good for nothing." His father asks him to find a certain tool in these big cabinets but he can't find it and gets called "Lazy good for nothing." TM 2 realizes he can't find his socks or underwear in his house. He has to open multiple different drawers to find his sock drawer and underwear drawer. He can't find it and it frustrates him. He keeps stuffing it with old socks and underwear until it over flows.

He struggles to throw it away. PM mentions he is really good at this game of not finding his socks. PM suggest to TM2 keep feeling the feeling of "I can't find anything" has he gets into it his face start pulling and his arms twitch and swing  bit. PM says you are really good at this game keep playing the game. You don't want to find your socks or underwear otherwise you can't play this game. PM suggests okay smile and feel frustrated that you can't find anything. TM 2 stands up and opens all the drawers, starts to swing his arms, jumping up and down. The other TM'rs encourage him "more swinging", "More I can't find anything" now TM2 arms shoots straight up in excitement and enjoyment of "I can't find it game." and starts to cool down a bit and sits down. 

TM 3 sits in the Hot seat. He tells us more about the situation he faces when trying to understand if he will be able to take both his new Violin and Laptop on flight as hand luggage. He says this makes him stress a lot because he knows airlines are notorious for damaging check in luggage. He tries to read on line what the policies of various airlines are but finds conflicting information and now gets more anxiety. PM mentions he is setting up this game to get maximum anxiety. PM asks him to show us anxiety, his lips starts going very tight and starts squeezing, the tribe encourages him to crank it up has the form dissipates TM3 goes back to when he is a child and his father had sinus infection and thinks he has cancer and will die. His mother scolds his father for being a "Baby." TM 3 remembers this very well and feels ashamed of his father for acting like a baby.

TM 4 sits in the Hot seat TM 2 is now PM. He recalls, from the past, a situations where he tries to be emotionally intimate with his girlfriend.  She does not know much about sharing feelings. Rather than share her insecurities, she accuses him of things she fears. The situation escalates into a fight. He notices he generally attracts this type of relationship.

The Tribe encourages his to show his forms. He starts to get into rejection, his hands and arm go really tight together. He feels rejection like an ice cold ball in his throat. The Tribe encourages him to make it colder. And is able to do some. He then goes into a ball seated with his hands pressing his head down saying he feels tiredness and depression. As TM 4 cranks up the pain he actually falls asleep for about a minute or two. PM says something and he wakes up. He realizes when he feels a lot of pain he goes to sleep, that is his rock for responding to pain is sleep instead of dealing with the pain.

Next we move in to role play process. TM 1 role plays getting hit for bad grades as a kid. The PM also takes a turn acting as his surrogate showing TM1 how to respond to the feelings his parents feel and in doing so gets a different result, one that is positive and not getting hit.

TM 2 Role plays the scenario where his father calls him into the garage to work on a car. After running the role play like it usually works out the PM guides him through a second time focusing on intimacy centric responses when  his father calls him lazy good for nothing. Getting a positive outcome where he is able to show his father that he is actually capable of fixing the car and his father is gratefully surprised.

TM 3 role plays the scenario where his father complains about anxiety about dying and his mother calls his father a big baby. With the PM guiding him he is able to get a positive result where he shares his feelings with his father that he feels his father should be strong and a good example of not worrying and being a good man.

TM 4 role plays the scenario where he tries to be intimate with his girlfriend but gets in the argument and falls asleep instead of dealing with the situation. First the role play is run in a similar manner as the actual event. Second round he gets a positive outcome by staying awake and responding to the conflict with a focus on how the other person feels and creates a field of acknowledgment by saying thank you when ever the other person shares their feelings.

In the end the Tribe members check out recapping their thoughts on what happened.       

Thank you for sharing your process and for documen(McKay)ting the meeting.
June 18, 2019

Ten Years and Still Sharing

Thank you for a gift that keeps on giving, 10 years on.

Mug Shot

Thank you for remembering ten years.
June 18, 2019

Wants a Community

Hello Ed,

can you give me some information where I can find community in Europe.

I live in Poland and wanna meet people who work in group.

It would be great if you give the info or any contacts.

Many thx ) and Best regards,
Thank you for raising this issue.

You can click on Resources, above - then on TT-Services and then on Reach Out.
June 17, 2019

On Line Mentorship

Dear Sir,

I am from India, currently staying in Dubai.

I am a forex trader and also a trainer in capital markets. Markets are my passion and my expertise is on charts- price action trading.

My trading is going well and would like to refine and connect the dots. I have read your story from Market Wizards book.  I am really looking forward to get an opportunity to learn from you. May I know whether you could provide any on line mentorship to me.

If so that would be great.

I have seen the workshops in Houston. Do you conduct else where in Asia? Not sure how easily I could get an USA Visa. Could you pls provide the details of the course.

I am looking forward to hearing from you.

Yours sincerely

Thank you for raising these issues.

I generally host Workshops in Austin, Texas or in Cambridge, UK.

I provide on-line mentoring for free through this column.  For details on private consulting, follow the link to Ground Rules, above.

I do not know of a TTP Workshop in Houston. If you know of one, please send me the link.
June 16, 2019

Wants to Attend a Workshop

Dear Ed Seykota,

I would love to join your workshop

Need helps on details and procedures

I am Full Time Trader, from Malaysia.
Thank you for showing an interest in attending a Workshop.

You might consider registering your interest at this link:

June 14, 2019

Marketing TTP

Dear Ed,

I thought I'd check in to update you on my progress and thinking about TTP.

After our initial conversation I found that my mind was racing and quite often fantasizing about the potential success of expanding TTP. I found myself waking up at 4am each day with TTP the first thing I thought about.

Ironically, little got done and I found myself exhausted after a couple of weeks of sleepless nights.

I am finding using the creative side of my brain very difficult as it is something I have not had to do most of my adult life.

TTP: The Tribe Process.

I could not think of anything better. Everyone I speak to about it thinks TTP is a very catchy acronym and it would be a shame to lose it. Tribe also needs to stay as it is somewhat unique and memorable.

Domain name:
I have purchased thetribeprocess and and was going to cost >$100k.

It's important to me that TTP ranks highly on google, and that someone searching for mental health or self improvement can easily come across TTP in a google search:

After doing some research into SEO I found that:
1.) Lots of backlinks (links from other websites) to your site is likely the most important factor in ranking highly on google. I will attempt generate backlinks through social media, speaking to blogging websites on self development / self improvement and asking them if they would be willing to write an article about TTP with a link.
2.) Content is second most important (so having key words on the website that match what someone might search for) - Google is very smart about this and you cannot cheat the algorithm so it is best not to worry about this. The content will naturally relate to searches on self improvement / mental health.
3.) Domain name : Needs to be .com. Needs to be as short as possible and memorable. tribeprocess was the only one I could find that was cheap and closely matched the brand name. Unfortunately is already taken.

My main concern at the moment is creating a website that achieves the following aims:

    Reduces the judgement's that people naturally might have about something as 'unusual' as TTP.
    Simplifies TTP to the extent that it is easy to understand.

I have leaned heavily on your book as it explains TTP in a wonderful way. Everyone I have spoken to so far seems to quickly grasp what TTP is about. I am trying to find the right balance between explaining it enough to be interesting without it being too long for people to read about and thus lose interest.

To actually explain TTP in a video would require more than 3 minutes of playing time.
A 3 minute video would be expensive to create and I believe perhaps an unnecessary expense at this point in time.

A different approach I have decided on is to make a 60-90 second video which primarily focusses on:

    the traditional forms of self help and therapy.
    the fact that often, these methods are ineffective and the person winds up exactly where they started.
    what's overlooked is the judgement/avoidance of feelings.
    TTP is the method that can help someone make the breakthrough.
    there is no detailed explanation of how TTP works, but hopefully enough interest is generated such that the viewer is willing to explore the website further.

My intention is to write the script for this video along with my vision for what it might look like. I will then seek out quotes which from my research will likely be in the £250-£750 range for a 90sec video.

Hopefully, one day, should the demand prove to be there, more detailed, high quality, educational videos can be created that describe TTP in more detail.

I will attempt to create the website myself, using wordpress. This looks fairly straightforwards. I think a professional looking website is achievable at a low cost.
Should TTP generate an income one day I can always pay for a branding expert to rebrand the entire website.

It's possible to get up to 30 different logo designs made for free, and you only pay (£300) if you decide to go ahead and choose one. I don't mind the current TT logo, it looks good on your govopoly book, but I think it's worth exploring to see if there is anything more eye catching and memorable.

After doing some research I have concluded that social media is the most potent way to spread the word about TTP.

Instagram in particular is an app that can provide a lot of value. I have acquired thetribeprocess username for instagram and tribeprocess for twitter. I have also set up a facebook page with thetribeprocess as the handle.

The uniqueness of TTP should help it to stand out quite easily in the social media space.

I notice that you have a TTP twitter account which currently has approximately 32k followers. With your permission, at some point I would like to utilise this large following to spread the word about TTP.


Thank you for sharing your thoughts and feelings about extending TTP as a commercial venture.

You might consider taking you feelings about [making TTP profitable] and [bringing in lots of customers] to Tribe as entry points.

If you wish to realize these goals, you might focus your marketing around the Zero-Point process.  It gives quick relief, feels good and works well as entertainment for other participants.

In addition, it wears off quickly so you get a lot of repeat business.  You could even give out prizes for the most dramatic forms.

If your goals include facilitating  meaningful growth, right livelihood and personal sovereignty, you might wind up with a very different marketing strategy - one that involves qualifying clients and Tribe leaders.

June 13, 2019

Four in One


The following appeared on June 6, 2019.

I would appreciate if you could list those four books ?

"A long time ago… back in 1992/93-ish, I talked to you on the phone about a Trading Tribe you had just started. You told me to read 4 books. I enjoyed the books and they were very helpful."


Thank you for raising the issue of the four best books.

If you want those exact four, you have to meet me back in 1992.

In your current case, I might recommend one: namely, a book of blank pages upon which you might write as many wishes as you can.

Then go back over all the pages and mark the ones you really intend to realize.
June 12, 2019

Whatcha Ghana Do

Hello Mr. Ed Seykota,

Please I am in Ghana. I have been involved with FX trading with limited success.

Please I only wish there is way I can get some education from you Sir.

Can you help out whilst I am in Ghana.

Thank you for asking if I can give you some education.

You might consider starting by selecting something to do that serves others.  

If nothing comes to mind, ask the next person that happens along how you can best serve her (or him).

Let me know what you learn.
June 8, 2019

Plane Dealing

Hello Mr Seykota,

I would like to share something with you and the Trading Tribe community so please feel free to upload to FAQ.

Today I go to see a listing for cheap radio controlled airplanes. Someone lists 5 planes and many parts for $500. I enjoy this hobby since the age of 13 and want to see if I can get a plane for cheap. I arrive at the address that was provided in the listing. My intention was only to go look at what the person has to offer.

I greet the person outside, who tells me I can't view them inside he has water damage so he will bring them outside. I start feeling sorry for this person because he has water damage and goes through effort to bring out the planes one by one. Now I feel I can't say no anymore. I think I shall buy only one plane for $75 then I quickly feel bad to only buy one plane, now I feel obligated to buy all of them for $500. I also feel maybe it will help this person to have some cash for water damage repair.

So now even though I don't really want to, I go to the an atm to withdraw the cash. I think I shall only withdraw $350 and negotiate the price but think, no I can't negotiate with this person I feel too sorry for them so I withdraw the full amount. Now I pay him and load everything up. As I pull up to my house I find that all the doors are locked and I don't have a house key so I call my brother who is now brining a key. While I wait I decide to go get Whataburger. As I park the car I start to feel a rush of regret. I didn't really want the burden of all these planes, that can have good value if I put time in to restore them. I feel mad at my self for making this decision I don't want to waste time on restoring these planes, I keep thinking this is time I will need to spend that I instead can spend coding on my back testing system.

I sit down with my burger and fries and keep feeling the feeling of regret. I remember Ed says that "feelings have positive intentions." I think what positive intention can this feeling of regret have. I realize I make other people's problem my problem, I realize I can't be a hero, its okay for me not to pick up other peoples problems. I feel a little relive but not enough. I remember Ed says, I paraphrase "I don't believe the past exits ..." I sip more coke and think, I have lost $500, I have 5 used RC planes this is the NOW, what can I do in the now about the situation, I want my $500 back, I realize now I have to fix a few planes up, accept the loss in time and sell what ever parts I can. I feel a lot of relieve now. I get home and start to unload everything. I find a box full of nitro gas motors. I pull my laptop closer and put a spread sheet together to inventory what I have and research possible prices. Just in the box alone I see I have a possible sell value of $420 almost all the money back and that is not even taking value of possible restored planes. I make small progress towards right livelihood.

Thank you
Thank you for sharing your process.
June 8, 2019

Bug Fix

Yes, I see that the list of strong and weak stocks have a high variety of first letters now. The charts look very trendy as well.

Thank you for your prompt fix.

Although I feel confident in my strong stock identification skills, I get comfort from seeing that my list often contain several stocks that are also on your list.

If our lists have no intersection I check my intentions.

You are of great help to me, both with stocks and with life.

Yours thankfully,
Thank you for letting me know the stock ranker works again.
June 8, 2019

Wants a Tribe in Israel


A couple of questions if I may:

First, you have several books, what would you suggest be the right order?

Second, I manage investor’s capital in my fund, based on ideas that at their core, stem from trend following. I do that from Israel and am going through my journey quite alone, which as you surely know better than I do, is tough. I’d love to benefit from a process such as the one you’ve developed and are running, in order to improve and grow.

How would you suggest I go about it and do you know, by chance, of such a group/Tribe, in Israel? If not, perhaps to get some training so a local group can be initiated?

Would love to hear your thoughts on this.

I Appreciate your time for replying.

Thank you for raising these issues.

I have two books.  The Trading Tribe shows how to set up and operate a Tribe.  Govopoly in the 39-th Day shows how the Govopoly System inexorably assimilates the Free Competition Sector.

You may read them in any sequence.

You can find links to Tribes and Tribe Members at Resources, above, then to TT-Services and Tribe Reach Out.

If you don't find anyone in your neighborhood, you may still register and serve as a focus for others.
June 8, 2019


Dear Ed,

This page:

Contains this quote:

Thing1: "Ultimately, you cannot guarantee an outcome, so you cannot guarantee performance or take total responsibility [for results]."

I am curious about how the above quote (which I assume is a direct quote from the "Ed Says" column* on FAQ) is in alignment (or not)  with these axioms:

    Thing 2: Intention equals results
    Thing 3: Everyone gets what they want

Thing1 appears to contradict Thing2 and Thing3.

I am hoping for a detailed answer on how Things 1, 2 and 3 are aligned, or not. I am also interested in any thoughts you may offer on the subject of [responsibility] within the context of this inquiry on the alignment of Things 1, 2 and 3.

I wonder if it is possible to widen the period of inspection from, say, 12 months to 48 months, for example, to make it possible to increase the predictability of returns. I understand I  have no control, while at the same time I currently hold that everyone gets what they want and intentions equals results. This introduces my inquiry in to the 3 Things.

Perhaps it is a simple question of the the number of samples of the measuring periods. I  am guessing.

Thank you for raising this issue.

I agree with you that Things 1, 2 and 3 contradict.

I do not agree with your assumption about the source of Thing 1.

The apocryphal "quote" comes from "Aggregation of TTP Wisdom" by George Coyle - that you can find at  Resources, above.

Per your request for details, I hold that:
1. You can guarantee any event.
2. Your guarantee does not bind nature to produce the event - it binds you (as guarantor) to indemnify the guarantee holder against damages from the event not happening.
3. You might notice that you (and all others in the associating structure) intend the result and may take responsibility for it.

4. You can predict events.
5. Your prediction does not bind nature to deliver your events.
6. You may find out, after the fact, your intention about predicting events accurately.

Applying the above to the situation at hand:
1. I do not guarantee the accuracy of the "Aggregation" that appears on my site.
2. I have an intention to have at least one inaccurate quote in "Aggregation."
3. I have an intention for you to discover and report this inaccuracy.
4. I learn about my intentions upon reading your contribution.
June 7, 2019

Bug Alert

Ahoy, Ed!

I thank you for your all your wits and wisdom, it's changing the way I approach both life and trading.
The changes make me feel better and more confident.

A curiosity accompanied by a question:
When I click the link to see notable stocks, I see some bank stocks.  Is this a feature or a bug?
Thank you for sending me the heads up.

I wonder if you can tell me the URL of the faulty-link page that contains "the link to see notable stocks."

Also, if  you can, the URL for the page that references to the faulty-link page above.

June 6, 2019

Rock On

Dear Ed,

A long time ago… back in 1992/93ish, I talked to you on the phone about a Trading Tribe you had just started. You told me to read 4 books. I enjoyed the books and they were very helpful.

Stan Grof's  book was especially insightful…So thank you!

I bought your Trading Tribe book & visit your site on occasion…. there is a mind set to all this -- that has really been helpful in my trading & life.

You use a Rock Process for correcting mental issues and increasing clarity. By coincidence, I have gathered quite a searock collection over the past 30 years -- just for the beauty & fun of it.

But at times and I'm not sure why…. they have given me great comfort & better mental clarity.!

I notice that your website could use some better looking rock photos, so I've sent you a photo you might like. Feel free to use it if you like.

Rock on..& Thanks again for your excellent insights.!

Rock On

Thank you for sharing your process and the photo of your collection.
June 3, 2019

Wants to attend a Tribe in NYC

Hey Ed ...

I recently sold an E-com company I built and I'm looking to get back into trading (I had to stop trading to build the company).

Could you direct me to a tribe in NYC or to any other serious trading / learning resources?

Thank you for raising this issue.

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