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Friday, July
10, 2009
Guitar
Break - Music Video
Dear Ed,
I thought you
would enjoy this true story, turned to music video.
Clip:
http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/
United-Breaks-Guitars-a-Smash-
Hit-on-YouTube.html?yhp=1 |
Thank you for the URL. |
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Friday, July
10, 2009
EcoNowMics
Chief,
Thank you for the update. The EcoNowMics page evolution continues to
provide greater clarity of system thinking. Nick's exercise provides
additional insights for me.
Thank you for
your guidance. |
Thank you for your support. |
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Thursday, July
9, 2009
ICAGR
Dear Ed,
Thank you for looking at this problem. After hearing back from other
members, I search the Web for info on ICAGR (not much). Then I come
across your system math document which I printed out several years ago, but do
not
revisit until today. Voila! ICAGR defined!
My previous TSP EA 150/15 result of 0.0527 is the annual compounding
equivalent of the 0.0514 instantaneous compounding rate shown on your
spreadsheet. I learn something new.
I do not yet understand why ICAGR is more useful than the annual
compounding
method. But I do see that instantaneous compounding is always in the now
so
perhaps the consistency with TTP is its value to us practitioners.
My TSP EA result is now correct to the penny and the IGR and Benchmark
IGR
are correct to 4 decimals, same as your results.
There appears to be a $107.74 rounding error in Excel's calculation of
the
Benchmark, but that is acceptable as it is only 3.29 x 10^-6 percent of
the
total Benchmark end value.
Thanks to you both. Your comments help me across the finish line!
ORIGINAL MESSAGE:
Thank you for passing my feelings on to the group. I have two handicaps
when
I look at your Excel. I have no experience with Excel, and I have no
Excel
on my Linux machine. I am not clear on how well Open Office captures the
intricacies of your calculation. I attach a screenshot of what I see
when I
open your file.
I chase the formulas around a little:
=$Equity_Log.G5874 ->
=G5873*(1+$Summary.$G$10)^$Metrics_Log.AA5874 ->
=Z5874-Z5873+IF(AD5874="true";1;0) ->
=IF(AC5874=1;1;0) ->
=IF(AB5874="TRUE";IF(AND(MONTH(Z5874)=3;MONTH(Z5873)=2);IF(DAY(Z5873)<29;1;0
);0);0)
Then I wonder if there is a more straightforward way to do this. I
wonder if
you can tell me the formula you use to calculate the offending ICAGR. |
OK. |
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Thursday, July
9, 2009
TTP and Fatigue
Dear
Ed,
I send you a follow up of "TTP Goes to School (Thursday, June 25,
2009)".
The patient visits me a second time. She is the one who consulted [me] due to
fatigue after cancer treatment, and together we find out that fatigue is
OK
and it helps her to avoid overwhelming requirements from her adult
children.
This time I just ask her how she is doing, and she expresses that she
wants
to work further on her feelings. She mentions having a difficult
communication with her current husband, who is jealous of her children
(he
has no children of his own). I then wonder what her problem is. She mentions
(in
her own words) that the discussions with her husband arouse a feeling
that
she dislikes, a pressure in her chest. I tell her that I cannot change
the
husband, and also do not consider it appropriated to try change her, I
just
[want] to assist her in experiencing the feeling.
I test her willingness several times, and encourage her to feel more of
the
feeling. However, it is difficult for her and she is stuck in the
process. I
then stop suggesting her to increase the form (pressure in the chest)
and
switch to "total acceptance modus", where I do not mention her form and
only
fully enjoy and accept the other person being the way she is.
I learn
this
"modus" after taking myself the hot seat on the issue "I cannot get what
I
need from others". I observe that if I fully give up my needs, what I
get
from others is everything that I need.
I just mention to her how nice and enjoyable the feeling is, and that
rejecting
the feeling is like rejecting her nose or the beating of her heart. This
complete acceptance of mine does the trick, and she lets the feeling
flow
"like after opening the bottle", in her words.
One week later I see the patient casually. She mentions that her fatigue
(which we indeed did not "fix") is substantially improved. I suggest
to her
that she can decide to feel fatigued or not, as she wants. |
Thank you for sharing your process.

Fatigue
is sometimes
something else.
Clip:
http://media.photobucket.com/
image/jim%20carrey%20in%20a%
20tutu/iluvdirt_2006/ATT00049.gif |
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Thursday, July
9, 2009
Day Trading
Fantasies
Dear Ed,
In the FAQ dated June 11 - 21 you wrote:
'I have as yet to see a profitable long-term track record of an
automatic day trading system'
Please define what you mean by 'profitable' and 'long term'.
I trade a completely automated day trading system that scales to
making at least 10 million dollars a year.
I'm currently up to a million dollars in my account, and I estimate its
going to take me another two or three years to reach $10 million.
My underlying system is quite simple but incorporates several
expert-trading rules that I have added to the software over the years.
If I am ever lucky enough to meet you in person, I will show you my
track record.
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How about a record of every trade,
every deposit and withdrawal and the MAR for a continuous period of 18
months.
Some long-term traders have such
records for five or ten times as long.

Day Trading
is typically a way
to cover up deeper feelings.
Clip:
http://media.photobucket.com/image/jim%
20carrey%20in%20a%
20tutu/iluvdirt_2006/ATT00049.gif |
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Thursday, July
9, 2009
Integrating
Trading in Life
Ed,
My marital situation is greatly improved, I have a much better
communication with my children, I have a new professional and
existential perspective with TTP, I sleep better, stop drinking coffee,
drink almost no alcohol (maybe a quarter glass wine every two weeks)!
At the same time, I enter a trade, place a stop immediately, move my
stops as the price increases, have some small losses in the current
choppy markets, have a huge winner with crude oil.
I don't need to look at the screen 20 times a day, I don't need to spend
sleepless nights worrying about not having stops in place. The whole is
passionless, emotionless, and FUN!
Again: Thanks, Chief! |
Thank you for sharing your process. |
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Thursday, July
9, 2009
EcoNowMics
Dear Ed,
Thank you for reporting your progress. I read the new material twice and
have a better understanding of the System Dynamic model of the Milk
Glass Game. The step-by-step process helps me. Thank you for updating
the model and defining Dt (delta time). I continue to read and reread
the material.
I continue to support you. |
Thank you for your support. |
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Thursday, July
9, 2009
Wants Tricks
See Previous
Dear Ed,
I have no doubt whatsoever that, if you ever decide to share this with
me, you will know what it is that I am after.
In my copy of Market Wizards on page 159 part of your reply to a
question from the author is as follows: "ALSO, AS I CONTINUED TO INCORPORATE MORE "EXPERT TRADER RULES,"
on page 160 part of your reply to a question is as follows: "(2) MY MECHANICAL PROGRAMS HAVE FACTORED IN MORE AND MORE "TRICKS OF THE
TRADE."
I cannot make this any more clear.
Keep healthy Chief. |
FAQ
does not ...
offer specific trading
advice ...
or
recommend specific trading system parameters ...
See Ground Rules, above.

Tricks
typically emerge effortlessly,
after years of practice.
Clip:
http://www.magicpete.net/images/
magician_01.gif |
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Wednesday,
July 8, 2009
Cash For Your Ears
Dear Ed,
I thought you might like this clip of
Johnny Cash singing Hurt... English-German translation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIbepKZC7Po |
Thank you for the link. |
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Wednesday,
July 8, 2009
From Regretful to Loving
Dear Ed,
In a control-centric relationship we drive people away from us even if
we are still together especially if we want them to change.
My "AHA"
came when I realized the only person that I can change is myself. It may
take much consistent effort for a partner - child - coworker - friend
(plug in what fits) to trust again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmVAWKfJ4Go
Johnny Cash sings the deep feelings of regret above for us all.
I wanted a deeper loving relationship with my father so I became the
loving daughter I would want to have in my life. When I changed
everything else changed.
It is amazing what can take place - quickly too. |
Thank you for sharing your process. |
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Wednesday,
July 8, 2009
Some Proof - Reading
Dear Ed,
The text column is too wide in recent FAQ section.
EcoNowMics section:
Modeling spelling different in
"Modelling the Milk Glass..." title as compared to other titles in
section. For consistency purposes may want to keep all the same.
In the second challenge section correct Item #2 mid paragraph:
"We we cannot model..."
Hope this is helpful to you.
Have a great day. |
Thank you for the catches. |
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Wednesday,
July 8, 2009
Say How It Is
Hi Ed,
I love your new song "Say How It Is". I am playing it over and over and
over again until it is automatic. Soon I will be singing it in my sleep.
LOL. I had my earphones on humming and snapping my fingers to it while
shopping last night.
The message is so simple in the title. What a more honest world when we
communicate in the now moment and say how we really feel.
Thank you for your continuing inspiration and example "Stealth Master".
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Thank you for your support. |
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Wednesday,
July 8, 2009
Wants Lyrics of "Say How It Is"
Ed,
May you put the lyrics of the new song "Say How It Is" on the site as
you did for the "Whipsaw song"?
I read English well, but I usually understand about 80% of what an
English speaker speaks to me. Now, I act in the ever evolving moment of
now to decrease the delta. |
You might consider having someone
who speaks native English explain the lyrics to you.

Toast
can be a metaphor.
Clip:
http://www.eyetricks.com/
stereograms/toast.jpg |
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Tuesday, July
7, 2009
Some AHA's
Dear Ed,
I [have] a spread sheet of my progress report. I complete FAQ 2003 to
date and I have several "AHA"s.
A Tribe is essential to TTP processes.
There is no active Tribe in [State] and surrounding states. I commit to
start one.
Secondly, An essential process in TTP is receiving. I
practice receiving in my ET, social circles and business. The results
are gratifying.
Thirdly, to find out what may work in the markets, back
test ideas, optimize and simulate.
Fourthly, I gain new insights every
time I repeat reading FAQs.
Lastly, I gain more by focusing on one thing
at a time. I read the FAQs exclusively this past few weeks and I am able
to finish it and gain clarity about TT, TTP and my self. |
OK. |
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Monday, July 6, 2009
Process Report
Ed,
Thank you for your ongoing support in my big wave journey. Below I show my process.
Developments:
Now working directly with my mentor learning his trading systems and
his style of trading (long/short equity fund manager)
Currently managing one of my mentor's smaller accounts, where I can
test my trading systems to see what systems are working best
Working to automate my trading processes and screening processes for
positions (I have now built a few screener systems, based on technicals
which I can very quickly run).
Began reading the book "The Saint, the Surfer, and the CEO" by Robin
Sharma - very interesting book about life and really enjoying it.
I spend considerable time setting up accounts with Interactive Brokers
and learning how to use the platform more efficiently. Originally, I do
not enjoy using the platform, but now begin to like it. I feel it may be
the most efficient platform for managing a small fund as IB can do all
of the back office work associated with the fund (does anyone else use
this?? seems like a good way to operate a small fund to minimize
expenses).
I intend to operate my fund from
[City], as I would like to have greater exposure to [Country].
Currently testing a few systems which only use buy signals and then
trailing stops to exit positions only versus methods which buy and sell
using a system with less use of stops.
Issues:
I spend time working with TBlox (although not as much as I should) and
get frustrated by how slow the optimization process is. I then revert
back to coding my own systems so I can optimize faster. I realize TBlox
can be a useful tool, but must decide how I will narrow my system design
- do I / do I not waste time with TBlox.
I still do not have an accurate log to track my process. I spend the
majority of my time working on my Big Wave and have difficultly
splitting work into meaningful buckets for labeling. I feel I must
clearly define these buckets and think about them so I am not wasting
time in non-productive areas.
I am considering different fee structures to keep things as simple as
possible. With the use of a high watermark, I consider using something
like x% of assets under management and x% of monthly profits versus
annual profits (not sure if others use this strategy??) I feel it will
keep a stronger focus on reducing drawdowns and trading smaller when
down to fight back to profitability. |
Thank you for sharing your process. |
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Monday, July
6, 2009
Typo in iThink Milk Model
Ed,
I noticed a "typo" in the "Verify the Model" section of the new iThink
MGG model. In the table in this section, it lists the
Transfer Function of the Steady Fill Policy as "65/4 = 8.125." It may be
more accurate as "32.5/4 = 8.125."
Thank you for all the information and
education. |
Thank you for the catch. |
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Monday, July
6, 2009
TSP SYS-EA to
the Penny
Hello Ed,
Results:
I complete the SYS-EA TSP exercise with results accurate to the penny at
150 / 15 and 325 / 85.
The optimum Bliss (frequency) for the system occurs with parameter
values of 325 / 85.
Comments:
I find that the Benchmark graph online uses 15% CAGR. The instructions
say:
“For visual comparison, the system also sketches a curve of the initial
equity
growing at a compound annual growth rate of 10% per year.”
Am I in error using 15% to attempt to match your results?
My results have two problems.
1) the 15% growth result is $107.74 greater than yours and
2) both of my IGR calculations differ from yours in the 3rd decimil
place.
I
cannot tell whether these are Excel or computer rounding errors, or
formula errors on my part, so I welcome
your feedback on that matter.
Thank you very much for building these TSP exercises. Solving this
SYS-EA problem is a very instructive activity.
Now I go back to Trading Blox to see if I can get it to deliver an exact
solution, and on to the Support / Resistance exercise as well.
After that I attack this in C#, my ultimate system development platform
goal. |
You might check to see if you are
using single-precision or double-precision variables in your
computations. |
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Monday, July 6, 2009
Tribe Meeting Report
Ed,
I report about a curious meeting. Well, most of the meetings in our
group are curious - Here we go.
We are two participants, (A) and me. (A) takes the hot seat first. He
mentions that he has several issues he wants to work on. His first issue
is "people calling me with a nickname which I don't like". I tell him
that I do not understand what the real problem is, maybe people are just
expressing their affection. However, he doesn't like the nickname. He
turns more and more emotional. After some trying, I find out that the
real problem is people exerting their power on him and he being
powerless against people.
I ask him to show me the form which he relates
to the issue. I help him to increase the form, which consists of shaking
his body and kicking the armchair with his head. I accept him and enjoy
him being the way he is; I encourage him to increase the feeling / the
form until he likes it. He mentions that he feels like achieving
something important by "cracking" the feeling, however he does not
mention an "Aha".
He then works on a physical problem: clenching his teeth
while sleeping. He does not associate the problem with a feeling. I
suggest that the feeling that he does not want to experience is "not
clenching my teeth while I sleep" and hence suggest him to show me the
feeling of not being able to clench his teeth. He starts moving this
mouth and his skin with more and more energy, until he explodes in a
burst of laughter. We both realize that maybe the two actions, to clench
his teeth and increase it or not to allow him to clench his teeth, both
likely lead to the same form.
I learn that maybe it is not necessary to
find out the exact issue, for Fred uses the body to express whichever
emotion he needs to show in any way he finds.
I am next on the hot seat. For several days I feel that I am close to a
breakout and that I have to experience a very important and deep
feeling. I bring the issues "my wife cannot give me what I need" and "I
accept people the way they are /I do not exert control on them". Somehow
I feel that both issues are related.
I sit down on the floor and start rocking my body with more and more
energy while (A) encourages me to feel the feeling. I go deeper and
deeper in the form. During the process we frequently see images of our
childhood. I have previously reported experiencing a situation which is
not related to me, but maybe it is archetypical or something I have
seen. However, the experience is very real (Saturday, March 21, 2009;
TTP and Breathwork). This happens again: I see a Buddha-like figure in
front of me and feel that I am confronted with something very deep and
majestic. As I face something so much bigger than me, which is timeless
and beyond my experience, I feel horrified. I realize that the feeling
is "fear of completely giving up myself" and "fully accept the others,
the way they are and what they have to offer". I open my eyes.
(A) says "something strange is going on, I cannot concentrate and I feel
as if I were in the process myself". The same thing happened to me once
before: as a process manager I could not concentrate during a hot seat.
We were working on "greed" and I realized that greed, to me, was a bad
feeling, because I was taught to share. I then asked a receiver to
switch places with me. He managed the process successfully. At its end,
I realized that greed is an important feeling, because you only can
share what you own: the more you own, the more you can share. The
problem is not greed but, what to do with the stuff.
To me, it's obvious that (A) cannot support me because he's not ready
with the issue "I completely give up myself". Who is, in fact? I tell
(A), very calmly, that he can rest while I finish my own issue and after
that I am going to help him.
I increase the form until I enjoy the fear of completely giving up
myself. I then re-start the (A) process. But this time I am a different
person. I fully accept him and do not need to suggest him to increase
his feeling or the form: I just tell him to be spontaneous, to allow to
be himself. I almost do not encourage him, I do not push him, but he
gets so intense that he almost explodes.
I say maybe five or six
sentences, in a completely calm and soft voice. It is the most weird
process management I've ever done. I observe him pushing the air with
both hands in deep distress and realize that he is experiencing "fear",
fear to accept the feeling. I tell him "poor boy, you are just afraid of
feeling a feeling, it is like resisting your heart pumping or your
stomach digesting. Fear is okay, resist the feeling if you want, but
maybe you can try to see how it feels to experience the feeling ".
I am
so relaxed, so calmed - (A) increases the form until he enjoys this
feeling, a feeling that he cannot define.
After the process, (A) mentions that he was not aware of experiencing
fear and even did not believe me as I said it, but after some moments he
realizes that he is actually feeling "fear". To me, it was obvious, but
not to him.
As we check out, we both concede that our hot seats are
digging deeper and deeper, while they are more and more calm. I realize
that my way of managing process has radically changed in the last weeks.
I suggest that TTP allows to reach extremely deep contents, if the
person on the hot seat is willing to accept the feelings. |
Thank you for sharing your process.

People Who Go It Alone
may feel
that others cannot
support them.
Clip:
http://images.paraorkut.com/
img/pics/images/a/alone-13004.jpg |
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Monday, July
6, 2009
Exploding
Hello Ed,
Thursday I visited the [City] tribe as a pollinator and had a very
expansive hotseat. The tribe leader invited me to report on my
experience, and I do that now.
My hotseat was about a theme that emerged in me immediately upon sitting
on the floor of the meeting space. I identified it as fear of
“exploding”. I was feeling a tightness in my abdomen, and the moment I
tuned into it, moving my hands to that region of my body, I felt heat
and a dark heaviness expand from the center of my navel and spread
quickly outwards into my limbs. My throat then constricted and I think I
started making noise from there, feeling a struggle internally over the
darkness and heat spreading so rapidly.
My mind left the equation
altogether, so recalling what actually physically happened in detail is
not possible. I remember snatches of forms; know there were a series of
them. I moved around a lot, and made a lot of noise. Each time I would
reach an apex or wave of outward expression, the tribe members would
tell me I was doing well, and hold the space for me to gather myself,
then encourage me to go deeper – or to integrate.
I kept going deeper for a while, and then went into putting the numerous
forms together, until I reached a big warm no-mind space that was
basically my body telling me there were no energy reserves left.
As I
lay there on the floor focusing on pulling air into my lungs, with my
eyes closed, I felt a stunning expansiveness spread through me - I felt
my awareness spread beyond my body and began sensing the presence of
each of the tribe members in their spots on the floor. I felt the
awareness of there being no separation between myself and them, as if
the edges between my body and theirs did not exist (the containers being
an illusion), and I felt a smile spread across my face and felt tears
come to my eyes.
I remember saying something like “how could I not want
to share this with others?”. I had a strong desire, after some seconds
or perhaps minutes, to sit up and position myself so that I could look
into each of my receivers’ eyes. I wanted to acknowledge them for
sharing that space with me, for doing me such honor to support me in
going to that space and find myself in it.
I wanted to somehow transmit that spaciousness by looking into their
eyes. I wanted to communicate with no words – words felt so limiting
just then (but I spoke anyway, I think…).
I wanted them to know how much
I appreciated their gift of presence. I’m not sure I did that at all. In
check out, I spoke about what the “exploding” theme had meant since I
dived right into it on the hotseat without talking much at all.
The fear
of exploding is associated with a mental habit I have of over-analyzing
and thinking too much, in successive layers that tend to spiral in a
negative vortex and make me feel as if I’m drowning myself or
overwhelming any effective motion towards my goals and desires. The
specific goal that placed me in the presence of this tribe as a visiting
pollinator is outlined in the next paragraphs.
After meeting you in early 2005, I began formulating the concept of
creating a nonprofit organization to disseminate a generic “brand”
identity for TTP so that a much larger portion of the population might
be reached and educated about the process and its potential catalytic
power.
When I told you about my desire to do so, you said you
were fine with it as long as I didn’t call it TTP. On another occasion
that we spoke of my creating the nonprofit, you joked about curing me of
my “poverty mentality”, and we had a lively discussion about that with
another tribe member.
I have had many internal issues to clear out through tribe and other
processes, to activate my readiness for leading this nonprofit
organization. I am happy to report that here I am, years later,
activating around my snapshot for this nonprofit organization. I am on a
cross-country road trip to participate in as many active tribes as will
have me as a pollinator, and to gather information from any current or
former tribe members who wish to tell me about how doing TTP has
impacted their lives.
I am writing a book that will include this
information, along with an array of information to persuade and educate
readers about our society’s current patterns with emotional suppression
and how humans could benefit from a radical transformation of these
long-standing dysfunctional patterns.
This most recent hotseat has supported me in anchoring my goal in a
satisfyingly tangible way. I am extremely grateful to the tribe for
allowing me into their session and supporting me through a very
effective hotseat. I am continually grateful to you, Ed, as well - for
your generous spirit, and for your sharing of this “hobby that took over
your life”. Thank you.
In the next email I send my request and intentions for joining the IVTT
on my journey across the country. |
Thank you for sharing your process.
If you are thinking to purvey a
brand of therapy or personal growth experience, you might consider
taking you feelings about <showing a profit> to Tribe.
While you are free to use and modify
and re-name TTP processes, you may not conduct your business in such a
way that indicates you are delivering TTP or that you imply any kind of
endorsement from me or from the Trading Tribe.

Making a Profit
is consistent with
delivering service.
Clip:
http://www.mansfield-
charts.com/Images/profit.gif |
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Monday, July
6, 2009
EcoNowMics
Feedback
Thanks Ed for
the update.
This material
is great! I spend 3 hours last night going through the milk model and
intend to spend more time this week. If I can think of any other ideas,
I will surely email you! |
Thank you for your support. |
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Monday, July
6, 2009
How It Is
Song
Ed,
I enjoyed your
new song. Good job. |
Thank you for your support. |
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Monday, July
6, 2009
FAQ Error
Hi Batman & Ed,
I notice that the <title> on FAQ page for July 1 - 10, 2009 reads "June
21 - 30".
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Thank you for the catch. |
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Monday, July
6, 2009
Wants a
Static Index Column
Hi Ed,
I have two comments.
1) The new milk model game clarifies a lot. I usually have trouble
understanding abstract text, but once I do the game, I know exactly what
you mean with level, optimal policy, rate, bliss function, etc.
2) I have trouble seeing the structure and organization of EcoNowMics.
I miss some
sort of static contents index in the left column with a link for each
item, like a run-of-the-mill website.
Seeing the structure as per a static index column makes it easier for me
to understand the meaning of specific text while I am reading it.
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Thank you for your suggestions. |
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Monday, July
6, 2009
Send -
Receive
Dear Ed,
Would this be
considered Control based Sending / Receiving?
Clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=7YwLQSTo_ow&feature=related
This seems to be very close to my father’s form of communication when I
was growing up. I ask if I can go out on Friday night, that is the
essence of the dialogue that follows about going out or any “request”
that involves permission. That is definitely the stare / silence.
This has been his basic form of communication as long as I can remember
to myself and other family members.
On June 23, 2009 I share on FAQ:
I notice these videos (one on FAQ) I think about anger and expressing
anger. (the video of the guy bashing the computer monitor). I notice I
feel numb, somewhat, in that I suppress a lot of anger or medicate the
anger. I wonder if I, in my current state would have attended the Boston
Tea Party or been aware I was getting screwed by King George?
My favorite all time movie and character is William Wallace in
Braveheart - to me, I relate with this character as he is both sensitive
but very focused and brave. I feel I want that balance and utilize
"righteous anger" when appropriate. "Righteous anger" meaning anger that
is appropriate in the face of injustice or to protect myself, my family
or country.
Ed says: “You might consider taking your feelings
about <anger> and <insurgency> to Tribe.”
I still feel confused about anger and how to respond. Growing up I feel,
because of all the “religious” ideas I grew up around that I was
basically taught that anger was wrong and I do not recall ever being
allowed the freedom to express that emotion in a very constructive
sense.
As I suffered
some abuse in childhood I recall that anger was suppressed until it
reached a boiling point then once it was out, it was all out. If I was
picked on in school I would ignore it, take the abuse until I could no
longer avoid it and felt pushed into a corner - seems this is related to
the “last minute” process.
Questioning
authority was not allowed. I feel now that I may extend good will too
often and I somehow do not feel it when I am being manipulated or used,
and if I do recognize that I tend to hold it in rather than perhaps
saying “NO”.
I see the same transaction now if I am in a relationship with someone
who is committed to some type of control or abuse centric methodology.
They may at first say “oh, I am just here to help” or “I am doing this
to help you” or “I love you” but they are really just hiding behind a
mask ready to reinitiate “the game” of “fighting” or “guilt trip”, etc.
if I receive them - so why would I put a snake in my pocket?
I feel angry when someone does not keep their word and “breaks
promises”.
In my rocks process I receive the technology to respond in many ways to
“abusive situations” I am learning what is worth confronting and what is
not. I want to stay in the NOW, stay direct, receive but also “cut
my losses” when I need too
I have feelings about insurgency. My feelings are to respect and follow
the governing authorities unless the established authority reverts to
severe abuse of power that would be considered a universal violation of
basic justice and even then to work through the system that is in place
to remedy the situation if an isolated abuse takes place for instance,
in Braveheart a law that dictates that any marriage must be consummated
by a English Lord clearly violates a higher law. I am sure imperfect
decisions of a father cause “gaps” that provide a reason for a child to
resent a father. I see that in my own children and I see progress in
closing these gaps.
Insurgencies, according to Eizenstat et al. grow out of "gaps".[34] To
be viable, a state must be able to close three "gaps", of which the
first is most important:
1) security: protection "against internal and external threats, and
preserving sovereignty over territory. If a government cannot ensure
security, rebellious armed groups or criminal non-state actors may use
violence to exploit this security gap—as in Haiti , Nepal , and Somalia
."
2) capacity: The most basic are the survival needs of water, electrical
power, food and public health, closely followed by education,
communications and a working economic system.[35] "An inability to do so
creates a capacity gap, which can lead to a loss of public confidence
and then perhaps political upheaval. In most environments, a capacity
gap coexists with—or even grows out of—a security gap. In Afghanistan
and the Democratic Republic of the Congo , for example, segments of the
population are cut off from their governments because of endemic
insecurity. And in post conflict Iraq , critical capacity gaps exist
despite the country’s relative wealth and strategic importance."[36]
3) legitimacy: closing the legitimacy gap is more than an incantation of
"democracy" and "elections", but a government that is perceived to exist
by the consent of the governed, has minimal corruption, and has a
working law enforcement and judicial system that enforce human rights. |
Thank you for sharing your process.
You might consider taking your
feelings about <avoiding feelings by analyzing things> to Tribe. |
|
Monday, July
6, 2009
Positive
and Negative
Ed,
From Key lesson 1 of ithink Milk Model, it says "A negative feedback
loop acts to decrease the delta whereas a positive feedback loop acts to
increase the delta".
Does it mean that if I want to lose weight I use a negative feedback
loop; and if I want to increase my trading account, I use a positive
feedback loop?
Please could you explain the importance of the negativity or the
positivity of the feedback loop.
|
The "importance" of something has to
do with how you view it.
You might consider taking your
feelings about <what matters to you> to Tribe. |
|
Monday, July
6, 2009
Hard Work
Dear Chief,
Thank you for sharing your progress.
I sense that you are working hard with the website and the TT.
I love the new
music.
You are
inspiring me. |
Thank you for your support. |
|
Monday, July
6, 2009
Losing It / Being Spontaneous
Dear Support Team,
First of all thank you for your ongoing support.
Schedule & Measurement Report
1) Spend 10 hrs per 2 weeks on meeting & talking to strangers, or
talking to people I usually only email.
Report: I spend 3 hours and 30 minutes during the past 2 weeks on social
events in order to meet people, and I actually talk to strangers for
another 1 hour and 36 minutes.
2) Have 14 occasions per 2 weeks of starting a conversation with
strangers, or with vaguely familiar people, or being brushed off, told
off, or rejected
Report: I actually have 13 such occasions, mainly by talking to people
in the neighborhood. I also have my first lesson with a personal voice
coach.
Feelings Report
My confidence is currently at an all-time high. Especially women seem to
notice this and act either very shy or very friendly. My girlfriend does
not notice my change consciously.
When I ask her whether she notices a difference she says no. However,
she behaves differently, by expressing her love and dedication much more
frequently than she used to, as if she fears losing me. In our
relationship she now behaves much more like a passenger than a driver or
co-pilot.
Despite this progress in confidence, I experience disappointment for not
being able to achieve my Big Wave (Big Wave = The confidence to be
spontaneous).
It seems that I make the wrong assumption, namely that I can increase
spontaneity and courage to express myself by increasing confidence. It
looks like the correlation between the two is ZERO.
My aim for spontaneity is in fact part of a broad push to regain my
creativity; verbal creativity (i.e. sense of humor), artistic
creativity, and business creativity.
Until age 13 I am very creative, but during puberty I lose it.
I have a strong sense that I can still be very successful and very
motivated in life if I regain my creativity. But merely being very
confident is not going to do the trick.
As a result I deem my current Schedule & Measurement Report (as above)
no longer relevant for achieving my Big Wave and I stop reporting it in
its current form.
I am going to take my issue to Tribe and see if I can re-define my Big
Wave, and maybe come up with a new way to schedule & measure it.
|
Thank you for sharing your process.
You might consider taking your
feelings about <losing it> to Tribe.

Losing It
is another name
for being spontaneous.
Clip:
http://ephemerist.files.wordpress.com
/2008/12/karaoke.jpg |
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Monday, July
6, 2009
Relationship With Wife Evolves
see
previous
Dear Ed,
I report on my Big Wave while I listen to the Chaconne from the Partita
for Violin #2 by Bach. It reflects my mood.
The past week was beautiful. I see how joyful, how richening, how
satisfying the relationship with my wife can be. On Sunday, she says
“Don´t expect it to last, as soon as I am again stressed by my work it
will be different”.
On Friday I have several long conversations with my wife about what we
both expect from our life and from our marriage. I observe that I have
concrete ideas about what we would do, the time we would spend together
and with the children and how we would interact. I could yield a
description of a day which I enjoy, including all its activities. For
her, it is rather a global idea ("to have a harmonic, nice
relationship"), but she has no concept about how it should look like in
the reality.
I tell her "I don't know what you would like to do in (this and that)
aspect". I find out that our ideas are quite different. She is plainly
not interested in things that to me are essential and richening in a
partnership. I tell her that all of these years I had an idea about
"normality" and tried to change her, and that this time I just accept
her views and her needs.
At the same
time, however, I see that they are different from mine. She tells me
that at night (about 8 PM) she is usually exhausted, and just wants to
go to bed. She mentions many “obligations”, which must be fulfilled
before she can do joyful things. For me, most of these “obligations” are
menial house chores, which are mostly superfluous or delegable.
I remember
that I offered my help many times, and she refused to accept it. I
offered hiring a gardener and a maid, and she refused to do it. She
rejects to hire a babysitter to allow us to go out. She prefers to do
everything by herself. I wonder if for her it is better to be exhausted
and overwhelmed than to spend her time with me. It seems to be the case.
On Friday we talk for more than 2 hours. The conversation is painful to
me. Several times she tries to stand up and leave. I [remind] her that
we committed to try to resolve our problems. I remember [that I am]
always the one who tries to resolve a problem, who starts the
conversations. But maybe it is only my problem, and she is perfectly
happy with herself and with the way we live.
However, I
would like to have many things that I do not get from her. I ask her
what she would do in my place. She mentions "You can reduce your
expectations". OK. Another possibility? "Look for another woman". OK. A
third possibility? "No". OK.
I tell her that I want to support her, to help her, to grow with her, to
share our problems and needs. That makes me a man, her husband, and not
just a guy, a silly child looking for someone fulfilling her needs. I
would like to know how she imagines her role in our relationship. I am
very sincere in what I am saying. She mentions that she is too tired to
carry on and goes to sleep.
On Saturday I talk with a friend and a lady friend. My friend advises me
to take a room in a hotel for some weeks and let her see what she wants
from me and from life. My lady friend yields two opinions which to me
seem contradictory. First, she says “Maybe you are too tolerant with
her”. And after that “I think that it is understandable: having a job
and three children, she is just overwhelmed and exhausted”. I commit not
to be her fourth child and not to put expectations on her. She can give
me what she has to give, and I accept it without asking for more.
On Sunday evening we have a very long talk again. My wife says that she
feels that we are talking in circles, that I am repeating always the
same. I don't think so.
She mentions
“this weird Seykota stuff” and “it is all too complicated to me” (her IQ
is 142). I ask her about her impressions in the last weeks and months.
She tells me that she feels much better, but she feels that I do not,
that sometimes I also feel really bad. I ask her how it comes that she
feels much better. She answers that I am taking care of her, that I take
[care] of her feelings, that I listen to her, that she feels supported.
I ask her how it can be that I do not feel better. She has tears
in her eyes. She says that some years ago she would have been open to
change, to share her feelings and to accept mine, but now, she does not
know. She asks me to leave her alone. I do.
At this point, I sincerely don't know how our marriage should "work" if
we both have different expectations and needs. I don't know if "a
working marriage" will mean a frustrated person and an overwhelmed
person living together and yielding each other with feelings they do not
want to experience. To me, this does not mean "I am not working on it
anymore": I just let the process evolve, while I give my wife and
children all my support to be themselves.
I enter the third week after my visit to IV. I remember Ed guessing that
after about three weeks I would see a substantial change in the
communication with my wife. His forecasts regarding me and my
relationships have always been very precise. I keep on working on
myself.
I thank you for your support. |
Thank you for sharing your process. |
|
Sunday, July
5, 2009
Say How it
Is ... (See Music Link, Above)
Dear Chief Ed,
Just can't stop listening to it ! Every time you say how it is,
that's the way it's going to be for you. WOW !!!
Thank you for all the inspiration and positivity that is now central to
our lives. |
Thank you for your support. |
|
Sunday, July
5, 2009
Having the
DT's
Ed,
I read your piece. Very interesting.... But can get quite complicated.
One thing I did not understand in the equation (and you have not defined
it) was "dt".
|
Thank you for the feedback.
You are helping to steer the
project.
The article now has further
explanation of DT and its relationship to the moment of now. |
|
Sunday, July
5, 2009
Wants to
Manage Money
see
previous
Dear Ed,
I have received a letter of proof from IG-Index plc and I have posted it
off to your PO Box.
I am still
awaiting a response to my emails of July 30th June and 1st of July.
Considering the time I have spent on preparing this information, it is
courteous to give a response even if your intention is not to proceed. |
Thank you for your kind offer.
At this point, your "system" does
not seem to fit in with my portfolio.

Rejection
can be a win.
Clip:
http://tickledbylife.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/rejection.gif |
|
Saturday, July
4, 2009
Likes to
Blow Up Beaver Dams
Dear Ed,
Here are some Fireworks:
Clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=sl7gkBrmIOs
Clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=gx_LzC51LCY&feature=related
These shots of blowing dams is similar to what I have done with big
beaver dams.
I remember we discussed briefly about beavers and the damage they can
produce at tribe. It is interesting what changing the water level does
in a normally flourishing forest. Changing the level changes the
environment dramatically.
Seems
inflation has the same effect on the financial environment leaving
everything fairly desolate until the level is adjusted - usually the big
trees may survive but the little ones go under.
Happy
Independence Day everyone. |
I wonder if your definition of the
"environment" includes beavers and their work
- or -
if you view beavers as entities
outside the environment, changing it in a way you don't like. |
|
Saturday, July
4, 2009
SF
Exploratorium Levitator
Ed,
I observe a
so-called Bernoulli Levitator at the Exploratorium in San Francisco.
It is really neat how the disk is suspended by the radial expansion of
air.
I am looking for the manager to suggest to them they change the name of
the exhibit!! |
In my
conversation with the curator of the SF Exploratorium, he informs me
that he, too, is uncomfortable with the explanation and that he does not
wish to engage the political process
necessary to make such a radical change in the exhibit. |
|
Saturday, July
4, 2009
Comments of
EcoNowMics Article
Hi Ed,
I greatly enjoy reading the EcoNowMics Model Building article. I read it completely once.
I learn that I too have limited understanding of the same things with
which you initially struggle. Your words increase my comprehension of
key System Dynamics principles. I commit to reread the article and other
work and to develop my version of the Milk Model and others on
EcoNowMics until my understanding feels complete.
Your format using SVO-p combined with Key Lessons, instructive and clear
graphics, and a concise summary makes for very easy comprehension.
I find your
process very instructive as a didactic method –
1) attempt
to solve a problem,
2)
recognize mental roadblocks,
3) get
instructive feedback from a mentor (teacher),
4) solve
it yourself and
5) share
the experience. Note that “didactics” include an “entertaining”
element.
You succeed
there too.
I check the spelling, grammar and phrasing of your work. Excellent
overall. One sentence appears to be incomplete or mis-phrased. You may
want to consider rewriting it.
“I also mention that the characteristic behavior
of negative feedback systems as either asymptotic growth or exponential
decay towards a target.”
Thank you for sharing your process! |
Thank you for your feedback.
I am passing your comments along to
the author. |
|
Saturday, July
4, 2009
"Might
Consider" / "Should"
Ed,
In your meaning, what is your difference between "you might consider..."
and "you should..."??
Where many
people use "you should....", you always say "you might consider..." |
"You might consider ..." encourages
by invitation; it appears in the language of intimacy-centric relating.
"You should ..." implies more of a
requirement or demand; it appears in the language of
control-centric relating.
In TTP we offer suggestions and we
test frequently for willingness.

In the Control-Centric Model
people "should" all over each other.
Clip:
http://thehamptons.files.wordpress.com
/2007/06/pointing-men-referee.jpg |
|
Friday, July
3, 2009
Chicago - A
Photo Album
Dear Ed,
I thought you
might like this:
Clip: Chicago.pps (Slide Show)
|
Thank you for the photos.
The Chicago Board of Trade is one
place at which people still set a price according to free and open
outcry (although some of the crying transmits through electronic media). |
|
Thursday, July
2, 2009
Working
Through Father Issues
Hi Ed,
I receive an email from my father bashing and blaming me for all that is
wrong in the world it seems. I recognize it as his way of initiating
“fighting”. He periodically sends a letter, fax or email to one or
another family member listing everything wrong with them and blaming
them for some reason. I feel the pain of the words and it brings back
memories of an abusive childhood, of verbal and physical abuse.
I initially
feel the urge to respond and to defend myself or let him know a few of
his faults. I write this out in an email, expressing my feelings
and bringing clarity on the childhood I endured and also for the
dishonesty he shares in his rendition of reality.
The rock kicks
in after the initial rush of adrenaline, I send back; "Thank you for
sharing your feelings about this. What else are you feeling now?"
It comes to me
after this about the Breathwork and the issue I want to bring is about
“quitting, giving up, dying / suicide” that I become extremely anxious
if there is a possibility of making an error. My father made sure every
job is done right and to perfection. I still fear making a mistake.
When I noticed
the sprinkler that was damaged at your home, which I obviously bumped
with the aerator, my immediate response was of fear. It was after five
that evening or I was planning to go to the local stores and find some
parts to make the repair myself. I notice and observe your response is
one of curiosity about correcting the problem and not attaching blame.
When I was
younger I reacted differently than now with my own children.
Usually getting upset and angry when a mistake was made or something was
broken. It feels like a prison trying to live up to this inner standard
of perfection. I work on my new home with my sons recently and mistakes
are made, but I notice since attending IVTT that I am very patient and
we work through the mistakes in a curious fashion and learn from the
process.
I find myself
feeling very sad tonight about a lost relationship with my father; a
relationship that never was, but was longed for.
My son, who
has had a lot of problems with addiction, drops by to see me out of
nowhere. We talk, he wants a hug. He seems to be getting better
little by little which I am thankful for.
Thank you Ed
and tribe members for your support, love and acceptance. |
Thank you for sharing your process.

Receiving Anger Without Judging it ...

... can Help Transform
the Relationship
Clips:
http://img.thisismoney.co.uk/i/
pix/2008/11/fatherson_203x150.jpg
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/
upload/news/080608_p16_crossing.jpg |
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Thursday, July
2, 2009
Intending
to Complete
Dear Ed,
Ed says: on May 2…You might consider getting up to
speed with the System Dynamics Work (build a pendulum model), Defining a
"Big Wave" and demonstrating willingness to hop on the hot seat.
I have the intention of completing both of the other remaining items - my
“Big Wave” is still evolving some from my experience at IVTT and I will
complete the model and description shortly also. |
Thank you for sharing your process. |
|
Thursday, July
2, 2009
FAQ Error
Fri, 7 Oct 2005
Dear Ed,
The "20 day" Lag of ATR uses a Time Constant of (n + 1)/2 = 11.5 days.
I get (20 + 1) / 2 = 10.5.
|
Thank you for the catch. |
|
Thursday, July
2, 2009
New Band
Hi Ed,
One immediate, tangible result during the most recent IVTT series is
creating a new band.
Though we rehearse only a few times, the band members are very
committed, and are already making magic.
I get what I want!
|
Thank you for sharing your process.
You might consider sending one of
your originals to FAQ for the Music page. |
|
Thursday, July
2, 2009
Wants a Knowledge Pass
Dear Ed,
I'm trading Forex market for almost two years now. I'm 28 years old, and
would like to trade for a living. Many things I learned about market
till now, but it seems like something is still missing, and therefore I
would like you to be my mentor and to pass your knowledge and
experiences to me.
I am ready to repay you in whichever way you wish, as
I strongly want to succeed in this business. |
You might consider starting by
reading through the FAQ - and working through the exercises on the the
TSP and the EcoNowMics pages.

A Receiver
who is ready, willing and able
helps to complete the pass.
Clip:
http://factoidz.com/wp-content/themes/gabtheme/images/how-to-make-a-one-handed-football-catch.jpg |
|
Thursday, July
2, 2009
Wants Vendor Names
Hello Ed,
I am a new trader eager to try a trading system. But what software do
you use to write it? And were do you get the data feeds to test your
models on? |
FAQ
does not endorse people or commercial products.
-FAQ Ground Rules
See Ground Rules link, above.
|
|
Wednesday,
July 1, 2009
We Are the
World - Song -
Many Famous
Musicians
Dear Ed,
I thought you
might like this clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=WmxT21uFRwM&eurl=http%
3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ecare2%2
Ecom%2Fc2c%2Fgroups%2Fdisc
%2Ehtml%3Fgpp%3D15678%
26pst%3D1291752&feature=
player_embedded |
Thank you for the link. |
|
Thursday, July
2, 2009
Including
the Wife
Hi Ed,
FAQ Sat. June 6th 2009 – “Hesitates to tell his wife”, Ed says;
- I wonder if you are willing to include your wife
on your journey.
- TTP Can Assist You In Moving from control-centric relating to
intimacy-centric relating
I find the reply confronting and annoying. My solution is to say, “oh,
to hell with it all, this is just too hard, why should I even bother”
and “Who cares about IV tribe anyway”
I purposely delay answering this FAQ reply because (really) I don’t know
how to respond. I don’t want to explore the reasons why I don’t want to
respond.
However, your reply stays in my mind and refuses to leave until I
address it.
This is what I shall now attempt to do. . . 4 weeks later!
I marry a woman who is dependent on me. If the equation
Intention=Results holds true, then this is my intention and I get the
result that I want (i.e. to have someone dependant on me).
So how do I motivate her to be dependant? In other words, what actions
do I take and what signals do I send out that make her dependant?
- I
sometimes don’t let her do what she wants if I think it’s not
appropriate.
- I don’t tell her about my interests in TTP/IV (i.e. ‘she wouldn’t
understand’)
- I get angry if she does something that I think is stupid.
- I ‘advise’ her on what study course is best for her.
- I veto her ideas of starting her own business with various excuses
(i.e. too risky, too expensive, you don’t know how, wrong timing,
it’s a recession etc.)
- I don’t allow her to participate in our financial planning (i.e.
it’s too hard for you to understand).
- I remind her that I know best on how to get things done.
- (and this is the crazy one) I keep telling her to stop being
dependant. “Show some independence [expletive], but when it is shown
I stomp all over it.
I don’t want
to give the impression that she is some kind of docile little puppy,
because she is not and more often than not she tells me to F--- Off!,
but that does not stop me from trying (very hard) to impose my will on
her.
This is exactly how my father was with my Mother and his children.
Father knows best, END OF STORY!!
Now writing these thoughts down I am confronted with the following
question;
“Why would I want someone to be dependent on me?”
My answer is so that I can be in control, so that I can give the orders,
so I can be the King!
I like being in control. I like things being done my way, the ‘right’
way.
Strangely enough, even though I acknowledge that I am a control freak, I
still honestly believe my intentions are good. I convince myself that
what I do is for the greater good of all. (i.e. the benevolent dictator
- not unlike Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, Hitler, FDR etc - all had ‘good’
intentions I’m sure).
In closing, I will also mention that my mother lives with us due to her
having dementia. She is more or less dependent on me for her daily care.
Sure she could go to an aged care facility, but I prefer her to be with
us. Obviously some of this is genuine concern with the level of ‘care’
in aged care but some of it may have to do with Intention=Results,
namely to have someone dependant on me so I can take control, once
again.
Family members that don’t conform to this model usually experience
friction and tension with me. This may be a reason why our daughter left
home a few years back and may explain our strained relationship. She
simply would not do as she was told! Once again, Father knows best.
Repeating from Ed’s reply above
“TTP Can Assist You In Moving from control-centric
relating to intimacy-centric relating”
Yes of course, and intellectually I understand this, but I seem to have
a vested interest in Control and this is what makes it difficult for me. |
Thank you for sharing your process.
TTP provides tools for moving from
control-centric living to intimacy-centric living.
TTP does not recommend one over the
other.

People in Control-Centric Relationships
intend to be there.
Clip:
http://www.sawf.org/Newedit/
edit12172007/argument.jpg
|
|
Wednesday,
July 1, 2009
TTP at Home
Hi Ed,
On page 49 of TT there is an example of "TTP Solves Software problem".
In that example only 2 people are involved.
I don't have a tribe in Melbourne and the book says that you need a
tribe to go through the TTP.
Are 2 people enough for a tribe ?
|
In this case, the father (a Workshop
participant and an IV-TT member) is at home, receiving the son's block
about how to operate some software.
The block disappears and the son
then quickly finds the answer to the software problem.

As People Integrate TTP
it disappears as a conscious act
and emerges in the process of life itself.
Clip:
http://www.dyslexia-parent.com/boy_learning.jpg |
|
Wednesday,
July 1, 2009
EcoNowMics
Evolves
Ed,
I love the evolution of the Milk Glass Game. I definitely prefer the
name "Milk Glass Game" to "Milk Model".
The first time you told me "See the Milk Model", was the 12th of May.
The EcoNowMics were not yet on the site at that time. The EcoNowMics
have been on the site about 2 days after if I'm right.
I feel stupid, but I have to tell you that I went to Google to search
"Milk Model" right away, thinking that Milk was a cousin of "Milt
Friedman" or someone else.
Then, the first days of the Milk Model were not that clear. There was no
picture of milk pouring in the glass, no pictures of milk as now,
so I did not understand anything the first time.
Now, I feel and understand dynamic system and my presence as being an
element of THE system wherever I am. Good evolution.
About the Tracker, now I support my brother who is very fat. He has been
trying to lose weight for 12 years and never succeeds. He has been
looking for a "secret" system which brings him the highest gain as soon
as possible, definitely much faster than the realistic time constant..
His last idea is to put a gastric band or gastric ring in his stomach.
Your last sentence on the Tracker is "This is similar in structure and
behavior to the "wedge" pattern in technical charting", can you explain
more please?
Than you Great teacher.
|
Thank you for sharing your process
and for your suggestions.
The EcoNowMics project is an
on-going process. |
|
Wednesday,
July 1, 2009
Vapor Cone
Hi Ed,
Thought you might be interested in this brief new item about the vapor
cone around a supersonic boom:
Clip:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/
ivescience/20090630/sc_livescience/
whatsupersoniclookslike |
Thank you for the link.
I am currently designing an
experiment to demonstrate a connection between the vapor cone and radial
momentum.
See the Levitator link, above.
For more on model building, see the
EcoNowMics
link, above. |
back to the
future
|