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Friday, April
16, 2009
Goals and
Processes
Dear Ed,
In response to a letter written on March 31, 2009, you write: "In the
Workshop, we practice reconciling goal orientation with process
orientation." That reminds me of an email I wrote to you a while back,
wherein I asked about how to do that. Your answer was useful, as always,
but not totally clear to me. Can you please elaborate on how you
practice reconciling goal orientation with process orientation in the
workshop? |
Yes.
I elaborate on that in the Workshop.
In particular, the reconciliation
of these mental constructs may proceed by reconciling associating
physiological forms.
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Wednesday, April 15, 2009
Setting Apart
Ed
$5000 to 15 mil in 12 years;
Trading/working with Ed is like drinking from a fire hydrant.
What is it that sets you apart from other very successful trend
followers who stick with winners cut losers and manage risk?
If you are ever in [Country] would you come to a [City] Tribe meeting? |
One thing that sets me apart is
receiving this email from you. |
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Wednesday, April 15, 2009
Up a Million
I recall your web page
http://www.seykota.com/tribe/
TT_Process/index.htm
where you mention that Wisdom is the result of Fred and CM working
together.
Between 2001 and 2005 i repeat the same drama several times: I save up
money and quit my day job to be a full time trader. I fail miserably
each time. I feel great pain each time.
In 2005 i am able to relate my experiences with what you write on your
webpage.
I feel that just knowing that Fred and CM work together to generate
wisdom provides me with great wisdom in itself.
I realize how i am interrupting the flow of experience and creating
repeating drama.
I recall losing fifty thousand dollars between 2002 and 2005.
I am able to turn my trading around and am up almost a million dollars
in the following four years. |
Thank you for sharing your process. |
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Wednesday, April 15, 2009
Nice Breakout
Dear Ed,
I attach a chart of Willys-Overland stock in 1944.
Talk about the positive intention of a bankrupt auto manufacturer!
From 1912 to 1918, Willys-Overland Motor Company was the second largest
producer of automobiles in the US. Ravaged by the Great Depression,
Willys went through a massive reorganization in 1936, and went on to
sell 360,000 Jeeps to the US Armed Forces during World War II.

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Thank you for the clip.
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Wednesday, April 15, 2009
My IVTT Rocks Process - Anger
Ed,
The most significant AHA I have after my anger rocks process is the
realization of the ridiculous amount of time I waste engaging in anger
drama. A huge amount of my day is diverted away from right livelihood on
situations where I believe I am being violated, or violating rules
myself, and dealing with the repercussions of both.
I believe I am a mellow guy who rarely gets angry. Therein lies my
blockage – I have a judgement associated with anger. I refuse to feel it
in the moment of now, and Fred continually looks for situations for me
to feel anger. Before my IVTT rocks process, I have two responses to
anger: (1) my usual choice was to internalize it, and take it out later
on innocent victims; and (2) come to a boiling point and explode in an
ineffective and inappropriate – not physically, but verbally violent –
way.
Tribe reenacts a scene when I am 2 years old and like to stick forks in
electric sockets. In response to repeated demands to stop and refusal,
my caregiver burns me to simulate the effect of electric shock. As a
result, I re-enforce my family’s usual response to shut down and pretend
“it doesn’t matter”, while boiling on the inside. This ingrained
automatic response happens time and time again at work: someone crosses
a boundary – I clam up – and I come home in a rotten mood, thereby
taking it out on my family. Upon realization of this I want change - as
my new bumper sticker says: “I am a caring and supportive father,
husband, and man.”
I learn getting angry and irritating others is the same concept. The
opposite pole of the same situation, allowing others to violate my
boundaries, is also the same concept.
With the help of IVTT, we discover proactive ways for me to respond to
“anger” situations, and once I receive the new rock, I use my new
responses by role-playing various scenarios. Following are my new
responses:
(1) Boundary crossing: When my boundary is crossed, I respond in a firm,
respectful way.
(2) Share feelings: I let the other person know how I feel.
(3) Ask for feelings: I ask how the other person feels about the
situation.
(4) Express myself and find a solution: Without compromising what’s
important to me i.e. self expression, discover ways the path to a
mutually acceptable resolution
(5) 5% response: The old way, “shutting down”, is appropriate if I am in
a situation with a violent person and my life/other’s lives are in
danger.
(6) If I can’t think of what to do, I take a deep breath and count to
ten.
(7) Stop teasing authority figure. I notice my family communicates by
breaking rules.
(8) Learn the rules; comply with the rules; if I don’t like the rules,
don’t play the game. Know the positive intention of compliance.
(9) When I resolve an “anger” situation positively (in which I
previously shut down), I bring this immense joy home to share with my
family.
I formerly believe rocks responses are predetermined. Rather, new
resources are arrived at through intelligent discussion and debate among
the tribe members, who arrive at solutions aimed at dealing specifically
with “anger” situations I mention.
I am deeply thankful to all my tribe members for devoting several hours
to help me with the process. Your attention to detail, focus and caring
is wonderful. It gives me strength and great joy to hear responses from
you describing how my rocks process directly relates to a problem they
have, and helps them. I can say for sure from observing others’ rocks
processes, as Ed says, experiencing these issues as a tribe “elevates
everyone in the room.”
Sincerely, |
Thank you for sharing your process. |
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Tuesday, April 14, 2009
Mom Likes to Paint
Chief Ed:
Following are my report from 4/09/09 IV meetings:
At the beginning of meeting, Ed starts to talk about the importance of
noticing if you are trying to be a fixer. Ed explains that we signed up
for this technology with our own will and we have lots of tools to
improve ourselves, however you are going to go through changes and
people around you will start noticing changes.
Best to deal with this
situation is to respond to your friends and family that you've decided
to behave differently and thank them for noticing and accepting the
change in behavior instead of trying to explain to them the technology
and how your loved ones could experience the same.
This action basically
describes you trying to be a fixer and will bring up lots of unnecessary
drama and sometimes ruin a positive evolving relationships. The bottom
line is people will emerge to change their behavior if they want to and
you cannot fix them. Focus on your issues and let the others enjoy their
sovereignty and respect their boundaries.
I notice that I do that a lot with my mother and finds out that it was
basically back firing me and basically gives her lot to worry about. She
called twice since 4/09/09 and I just accepted her and she seems to be
more optimistic.
Last time she told me she was in deep pain when she is
painting and I told her painting might not be best for her right now,
she rebelled saying that painting is her passion and so on. This time
when she called I said how is painting going for her and she told me she
is very excited about painting despite her pain. I said that is great
and wish her the best and she told me she hopes to have show in NYC one
day. I said I will be very excited about that. I felt positive energy in
her voice and hopefully that is helping her. Few days ago she sent me
picture of her. She is recovering from serious illness and on the
picture she did not look too good. I just wanted to wish her well. I did
not feel any resistance on my part. I feel OK. I am trying to smile and
enjoy this feeling. I love my mother dearly in a very different way now.
I think she understands me and she like my feeling.
Thank you for all your sharing. As usual I don't understand many things
that goes on during the process but I feel fine with that and I trust
and feel that positive change is evolving within me and many other AHA's
to come. Thank your for reading my email. Thank you for everything.
yours, |
Thank you for sharing your process.

A Hobby ...

... can Turn Into ...

a Career.
Clips:
http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/
9260/jjjso8.png
http://funnyartpictures.com/funnypictures-images/
best-nude-body-art.jpg
http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/
00/1c/3a/b9/body-painting-competition.jpg
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Tuesday, April 14, 2009
Turning on the Flow
Dear Ed,
I observe that as I practice more TTP I can experience more feelings and
they flow more spontaneously. It seems to me that the faucet is opened
and many other feelings may flow.
- Some days ago while jogging I think of a discussion with a friend (“I
will have a yearly return of +217%”): don't ask me why not 219 or 211%.
As I think about it I start laughing. The laugh gets more intensive and
louder. It turns frantic. I keep “on running while I laugh like a
madman. I realize that the laughing is the form for “I am greedy - I
have a huge return”. As I stop laughing I can laugh about my expectation
(“why not +217% per day, or even per minute!”). I realize that I cannot
plan a return: I follow a strategy, I pull the trigger, I control risk
and at the end of the year have a certain return. It is easy. However, I
still have some problems: I use a trend following system, but what to
trade? Stocks, options, leveraged instruments, CFDs? I keep wondering.
- Later I go to bed and remember the 217%. I start laughing again. I
keep on laughing until the form ends; then, I feel increasing tension in
my back and fists. I increase the tension until it turns joyful,
further, further, and then it disappears. Then, I KNOW: I buy the
instruments which correspond to my strategy: it can be an option in some
market circumstances, a leveraged instrument in others, no CFDs (I lack
the experience and do not need the fear of a margin call).
- I know that it is DIM, but it happens spontaneously more and more
frequently. |
Thank you for sharing your process. |
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Monday, April 13, 2009
Angry
Chief,
I feel angry, betrayed and
abandoned in my professional relationships.
I worked for a major
investment provider for over eight years. Our entire department was
liquidated in January. I gave this firm everything they asked. I watched
as they promoted 20-30 something's with little experience into external
positions (I am 48). I supported THEIR success. I accepted advice such as
"you have to dumb it down". Once my younger external partner advised,
"dummy it down."
I feel anger at myself for buying into the company
store concept. I knew better. I worked for as an independent contractor
for 20 years before signing up as a corporate soldier. I felt superior
sales production was a plus. In the corporate world, success breeds
resentment from associates trying to keep up, fear from superiors that
maybe you might know more than them.
I am mad at the corporate process,
not my former associates and managers. I feel sorry that some are still
trapped in the machine. I feel betrayal, no good deed(s) goes
unpunished!
I struggle to build business relationships with professional
money managers. I can add value to their equity executions through
anonymity, integrity, and swift accurate execution of their orders. I
feel lost. I feel better after writing FAQ.
Next Up:
My personal relationship with my wife of 21 years, my friends and six
children improves as I learn patience and acceptance in trend trading. I
feel content. I let go of fixing and grasp patient, active listening. |
You might consider taking your
feelings about <betrayal> to Tribe. |
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Monday, April 13, 2009
Santiago Tribe
Ed, I wish to start a Tribe in
Chile. |

Welcome
Santiago,
Chile |
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Monday, April 13, 2009
Wants a Hint
Ed,
I wrote a program which takes long positions when a stock breakouts with
high volume and increase in price. I tested the system with the
following parameters:
* ATR period – 5, 10, 15 and 20 day
* ATR multiples
* Volume multiples compared to 50-day moving average and
* Percentage increase in price at the time of breakout
I tested the system from 2000 to 2008 with a random selection of stocks
risking 1% on each trade with a modest capital of 200k. For each year, I
got different parameter set that resulted in high expectancy. The
question is how to nail down a parameter set to start using the system?
I am also testing the system from 1991 to 2000 to see any similarities.
If you can give me some hints to find the optimal parameter set that
would be fantastic. |
Hint for finding optimal parameter set: back-testing. |
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Monday, April 13, 2009
Pendulum
Ed,
My English language description of the pendulum is off. I keep thinking
about it. I am looking at the velocity as a stock that fills up from the
flow of the accumulation of the accelerations, and that the friction is
like a hole in a leaky bucket of that stock. The fuller the bucket (the
more velocity there is), the faster the bucket leaks (the greater the
friction).
I guess I could use some hints on how to better describe this in
English.
Thanks,
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Congratulations for sticking with this.
Your Vensim / Stella model is a very accurate description of the
pendulum.
It demonstrates the equivalence of two aspects of the pendulum:
(1) the intention (structure) and (2) the result (behavior).
Note that the simulation continues to stay in the ever-evolving moment
of now
(or in a very thin dt) as it "explains" the solution.
Your explanation, and many others, stray from the discipline of "staying
in the now."
They grab this and that event from different parts of the cycle
(different dt's)
and try to force them into the past-cause ==> future-effect form.
You might consider emulating Vensim / Stella in your narrative. |
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Monday, April 13, 2009
Wants to Meet
Mr. Seykota,
I have been an aspiring trader for 3
years now. I am 25 years old have I have had both great success and a
few adverse "learning experiences" as a trader. I would like to meet
with you and buy you a coffee or lunch one day a your convenience. I can
travel to North Lake Tahoe anytime. I would like to learn more about
your trading style and what has made you successful over the years. My
experience began with options then switched to S&P outrights, then to
yield curve arbitrage. My goal is to become a better outright trader and
stay away from arbitrage strategies. I look forward to hearing back from
you soon as this is very important to me.
Best Regards, |
Perhaps you can put some of your questions in an email and send them to FAQ.
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Monday, April 13, 2009
Bumper Sticker Process
Fixing California
Ed,
As I continue to work on my bumper sticker, I notice two patterns in my
career. First, the problems I tackle are typically quite small. I
fail many job interviews with a diagnosis of "overqualified." I want
to move up in my expectations of what I can achieve. Second, I often
develop a solution first and then go looking for a problem for it. I
want to stop cold-calling and instead find people who are already
looking for help solving a problem they know exists.
At our last meeting, I solicit feedback for an experimental bumper
sticker that reads, "I Solve Big Problems."
Among the feedback I receive, Ed names two big problems: (1) balancing
California state budget and (2) finding gainful employment for me.
I wonder if Ed thinks these two are equally difficult.
I then observe that balancing a state budget is not a very difficult
task, if you are willing to. The state can reduce its expenditures if
it stops owning losing businesses, like CalTrain or its school
system. These businesses lose money because they provide inferior
service at inflated price. The state can also reduce its expenditures
if it limits what it regulates. Underage smoking, drinking and
driving; substance scheduling; gun control; marriage licensing;
minimum wage; immigration; auto insurance--all cost money to enforce,
and are, IMHO, none of the state's business.
I notice excitement as I make a list of things the state can stop
owning or regulating. I wonder who might be the people who are looking
to solve this problem and how I might get in touch with them.
I also notice, with some surprise, that I am, apparently, more willing
to consider solving the California budget problem then solving the
problem of my own employment. |
Thank you for sharing your process. |
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Sunday, April 12, 2009
Path Leads Here
Hello Mr. Seykota
I know that
we're all on separate journeys, but the one that I've been on has been
pretty out there. I know your time is valuable so I'll be to the point.
I've been trading professionally for the last 10 years, but the last 3
years this intense focus/search has been on trading for myself.
I have
heard of you several times through out the years, market wizards,
Internet, turtle trader, my friend. Everything that I've been lead
to has lead me to you. The reason I write you this weekend alone there
were 5 times different occasions your name has come up. And it keeps
coming up, I feel like something's reaching out and grabbing me and
putting me in your direction.
I know it sounds crazy but I'm being
honest. I don't know how or why I just know it. Something lead me to
[Name] and now I'm friends with the man, and he's changed my
life drastically. I'm writing you to know if there is any possible way
to join your trading tribe, to become a member, any mentoring program,
anyway to interact with you on any basis? I'm asking only for one shot
one chance, because I completely understand the magnitude of the
opportunity.
I read your site and the process, I have emailed the
Chicago chapters but I'm not sure if these people still work with you.
If there's anyway I can be a part of what you have going on please let
me know. Thank you for your time and consideration. |
You might like to check out the upcoming Workshop. |
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Sunday, April 12, 2009
10 != 100
Hi Ed,
I am doing paper trading,
using only your Support and Resistance method. For $10,000 that I can
afford to start, it will be very slow process. I think, optimal start
amount is about $100,000. Do you know any way to improve your method or
to adjust for the small start money, like mine?
No additional research
was done since I completed the two projects, Exponential and
Support & Resistance Projects. If you have any idea around these
projects, I can do research. Reading your book. Too complicated for me.
But did not give up yet. So, this process also go slow. |
If you demonstrate proficiency with a $100,000 system, $100,000 is
likely to appear.
The same goes for $100,000,000. |
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Sunday, April 12, 2009
Road Maps
Hi Ed,
I write you as follow up to my email of March 12th and commitment to
complete Road Maps prior to the workshop. I have completed the Road Maps
readings on the System Dynamics site except the work from the required
books
which I ordered and have yet to receive. I find the work challenging but
also enjoy it. I receive many insights and Aha's during the whole
process. I
attach some of the models I have built as part of the readings and a
brief
overview of systems principles as they are explained in each chapter of
Road
Maps.
As further work I intend to return to the Road Maps readings and develop
a
glossary of the Key Terms and Concepts as laid out at the end of each
chapter. I continue work on additional articles on Exponential Smoothing
and
Exponential Material Delays from the Road Map series. I am interested in
applying these concepts along with other I have learnt from road Maps to
model markets behavior. I intend to work on this some more as I am still
at
the early stages of developing systems on my own.
I look forward to the Workshop.
Links to articles mentioned:
http://sysdyn.clexchange.org/gsp98/papers/D-4782.pdf
http://sysdyn.clexchange.org/gsp98/papers/D-4614.pdf |
Thank you for sharing your process. |
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Sunday, April
12, 2009
Evolving Relationship Bumper Sticker -
Pretty Lady Almost Attacks
Ed,
Hello everyone. I feel complete with my relationship bumper sticker.
Instead of going on dates I will get involved with activities or
organization where I could meet her and develop friendship and intimacy
while enjoying the activities. The measurement will starts today.
After all it's fun. I am planning to join local acting
class or group/universities and also I am planning to find some
voluntary work with animal organization. I love animals and sharing my
feeling through acting. I just came from walking about 40 minutes and
enjoyed it very much. A huge dog with pretty lady almost attacked me but
I managed to survive with a laugh! |
Thank you for sharing your process. |
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Sunday, April
12, 2009
Lake Ratio
Hi Ed,
Thanks a lot for your answer.
I’m sorry because I think that I formulate my question wrongly.
As my paper is to be published in a scientific journal, only references
from other journals or congresses are admitted. A link to a website is
unfortunately not considered.
So my question is: did you introduce the Lake ratio in a scientific
paper, or did you present it during a congress? |
To my knowledge, the Lake Ratio
appears in no scientific journals
and has no other scientific credential.
It does, however, have some peculiar features.
Namely, it makes intuitive sense,
it has a simple graphical representation
and it underscores the necessity for risk control.
You might note that despite the prevalence
of hundreds of "risk" metrics such as appear in your book,
the money management industry continues to demonstrate
a lack of intuitive sense for risk control.
This may reflect a preference for arcane intellectual metrics
over simple emotional ones.
All the best to you and for your researches and publications. |
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Saturday,
April 11, 2009
Father-Son Bonding
Ed,
I struggle with a pattern in my relationship with my father. I tell
him about something that happens in my life, or something that I do,
and he comes back with advice on how to make it better. I end up
feeling that my father disapproves of everything I do.
I receive one of these here-is-how-I-would-make-it-better emails
before I leave for this week's IVTT meeting. On my way to Nevada, I
try to find its positive intention. I try to think of something I can
thank my father for in response.
I have an AHA. My father frames much of his communication with me as
advice. If he wants to share with me a reflection on his experience,
or a feeling, or a thought, he never does that directly. He waits for
me to tell him something about me, then presents what he wants to
share as a lesson for me on how to improve what I describe.
After I return home from Nevada, I email my father thanking him for
sharing his inner world with me. I tell him how much I enjoy receiving
displays of his creativity and originality. I tell him that I see a
real, live human behind them.
My father calls me today to thank me for my letter. He says it touched
him deeply. I notice a difference in his voice. He sounds softer and
more pensive. He shares his feeling with me rather then dispensing
advice. |
Thank you for sharing your process.

Father-Son Bonding

Father-Son Bonding
Clip:
http://www.mopo.ca/uploaded_images/
father-son-bonding-782412.jpg
http://yaadein.files.wordpress.com/
2007/09/father_son.jpg |
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Saturday,
April 11, 2009
Screamer
Hi Ed,
I am still adjusting from my Rocks process; I screamed in the middle of
the night feeling anger at level I never felt before, and then I cracked
up laughing. I am writing a full report for FAQ. |
Thank you for sharing your process.
Rapid emotional re-balancing is
typical of the Rocks Process.

Some Know
and appreciate
the positive intention
of screaming.
Clip:
http://www.printedclothing.com/contents/
media/pc285%20screamer%20moaner.jpg |
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Saturday,
April 11, 2009
Little Miss Quote
Ed says, "If you can come up with even one single counter-example -
that is, one teeny-weenie thing you can do in the past or future,
please document it with a snapshot and send it to FAQ." (FAQ 3/23/09)
Hi Ed,
Thanks for the response on FAQ. I think about it and not surprisingly,
I cannot (yet) have a counter-example. More and more I can see how the
past and future doesn't "exist", or exist merely as a concept in Now,
which is the only time dimension we can be.
However, I am not sure if I can agree with your argument. You seem to
suggest that since no one can ever go to the past (or future) to do
something, evidently that the past (or future) doesn't really exist.
If so, then what about say the Andromeda Galaxy. It is the nearest
spiral galaxy to our Milky Way, although still 2.5 million light years
away. No one has ever been to the Andromeda Galaxy and do something.
No one can document one teeny-weenie thing he can do in Andromeda.
Under your deduction, then Andromeda doesn't exist? Wouldn't it be
similar to that a thousand years ago, if someone brings up the North
Pole or South Pole, they didn't "exist" because no one has ever gone
there, but yet we now know that they always exist for as long as the
Earth exists?
(I am not arguing whether past and future "exist." I am just not sure
if I can conclude their non-existence based on the argument you
provide)
Thanks. |
You seem to be characterizing
my invitation to submit a snapshot - as an argument.
You might consider taking your feelings about <people who misquote
others> To Tribe. |
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Friday, April
10, 2009
Winter
I live in [State] and am pleased to announce that summer has almost
arrived.
We know because we can see the deer moving around. Yep, won't be long
now.

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Thank you for the weather report. |
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Thursday,
April 9, 2009
Description of Pendulum 2
Ed,
The initial position of the pendulum is negative 0.785425 radians (45
degrees) from vertical.
I release the pendulum and it accelerates due to gravity pulling it
towards the center of the earth at 9.78438 meters per second per second
along a path described the arc of its length. 9.78438 meters per second
per second represents the acceleration of gravity in Austin Texas
accounting for the latitude and altitude.
The friction of the pivot and the air resistance acts to decrease the
velocity of the pendulum.
The acceleration of the pendulum increases as it is moves towards the
center of the earth. The acceleration of the pendulum decreases as it
moves away from the center of the earth.
At the point where the sum of the acceleration of gravity as the
pendulum moves away from the center of the earth equals to the sum of
the acceleration of gravity as the pendulum moves towards the center of
the earth minus the friction, the velocity of the pendulum becomes zero
(and it stops) and reverses it course.
The pendulum again begins accelerating towards the center of the earth
along the arc of its length and continues oscillating in the same manner
until the its position decays to a point where the effect of
acceleration of gravity will not act on the pendulum to move it along
its arc. |
You have various conceptual errors
in your description. |
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Thursday,
April 9, 2009
Incorrigible Person
Dear Ed,
a new member of our Tribe is an incorrigible person. Her husband is a
member
of our Tribe.
I don't know if she joins us with conviction, or just to
show
her husband that she is willing to work. She takes the hot seat three
times
and completes several forms. However, after some 2 months, she reports
no
changes and no progress in her life.
This is novel in our very intense
Tribe. Furthermore, she manages my own hot seat in two opportunities. To
my
surprise, I also do not have ahas or experience changes after my own hot
seats. I re-read the chapter in your book, but I am still wondering. In
your
experience, do incorrigible persons also profit from TTP? And can they
inhibit the progress of other Tribe members when managing processes? |
Incorrigibility is a property
someone assigns to another person.
You might be attracting and
indulging this person to participate in your drama. |
Thursday, April 9, 2009
Losing a Job
Ed,
I get more clarity on my intentions and results about losing my
job. As I contemplate job-search strategies, I find that I
really
don't want to find work in the next month or two. I want to
support my
wife in the final weeks of pregnancy, and I want to be with the
baby
when she arrives.
I speak to a photographer about business opportunities around my
mosaic technology. He shows little interest but says that he is
looking to get into maternity photography and wants to offer my
wife a
free shoot now and another with the baby, as a way to build up
his
portfolio. We can't stop talking about the great experience we
have at
his studio.
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Thank you for sharing your process. |
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Wednesday,
April 8, 2009
Jumping Rope Video
Ed,
What you are about to see is a performance at the Naval Academy by 4th,
5th, 6th, 7th, and 8th graders from schools in Toledo, Ohio. They
entertain at half-time at such events as basketball games.
Man, they are something!
You are in for a real treat!
http://soonereyo.blip.tv/#1762059
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Thank you for the clip. |
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Tuesday, April
7, 2009
IVTT 4th Week FAQ Post
Logging Behaviours
Ed,
I share the mini-AHA that I have better experience of personal
boundaries with my spouse, compared to first IVTT meeting.
I share the experience of logging my negative behaviors. I derive
several indirect benefits from this recording activity (better sleep,
better caffeine control, etc.).
I enjoy the extended discussion of "cause + effect vs. intention = result".
The intention is the result. Also, all feelings have a positive
intention. Fear relates to risk control and anger relates to boundary
management.
We talk about "because, because, because" which is all about causality
(and effect). I recognize my own tendency to search for reasons and
explanations. Sometimes this search gets in the way of right livelihood.
We talk about taking judgment off the feelings. Examine the feeling,
find something you can learn from it.
We observe a master / slave type exercise where one tribe member is on all
fours and the other presses on his back with two hands. The master says,
"I own you" and the slave says "Get off my back". I recall to myself a
comment made to my spouse, "Take your foot off my throat."
Finally, a member on the hot seat has an emotional experience describing
his relationship with his father. This member has a foreign accent with
an American regional dialect. I observe that when he breaks through, his
foreign accent seems to disappear and he sounds like an American with
the regional dialect only. He sounds more assertive and confident this
way.
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Thank you for sharing your process. |
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Tuesday, April
7, 2009
Pendulum Model - Balloons and Tears
Dear IVTT members,
I tried to construct the pendulum model. I tried Vensim first, it did
not work, I thought it is because Vensim is not the best software, so I
went and bought Stella for almost $2000, which was very painful to do,
because i am trying to budget lately, and I did not expect to spend that
much this month.
I had to find out that the problem is not with the
software, but my abilities. This made me twice as mad, that instead of
trying I threw money at the problem. I tend to do that at other areas of
my life too. I spent countless hours of trying to construct first a
pendulum without the drag, just to see if I can do it. I seemingly put
it together right, entered all the equations, but the simulation always
failed. I got a flat line a few times for the position/velocity-time
graph.
Once my pendulum went up
continuously like a birthday balloon.
The final one I could come up with I attached, with the equations.
I was so frustrated, I cannot even describe, I was ready to cry, and I
broke a few things, a stapler, and a water bottle.
I have cool it for now, and I will see what I can do tomorrow. |
Thank you for sharing your process.

Tantrum Yoga Postures
such as:
stopping elephant;
wriggling fish;
wet noodle;
kicking cat;
screaming banshee;
and calm before the storm
are largely
medicinal.
Clip: www.babble.com
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Tuesday, April
7, 2009
Pendulum
Hi Ed
I wonder if you might like this little program?
http://www.physicsclassroom.com/
mmedia/energy/pe.cfm |
Thank you for the clip. |
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Monday, April
6, 2009
Under Water Sculpture
http://www.metacafe.com/w/yt-IzMP4MJmfQE/
Enjoy! |
Thank you for the clip. |
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Sunday, April
5, 2009
Looking for Love
Chief Ed:
Enclosed is the measurement and process for my bumper sticker. Most
consistent with perfect flow is my weight reduction bumper sticker. " I
weigh 210 lbs by July 09" Unfortunately the software I been using is on
my I phone I am unable to show it to you for now.
The Road Map is
significant improvement however Friday and Saturday was disrupted with
my medication toward my " I'm in love with my girlfriend" Bumper
sticker. Matter fact it's have dissipated and I don't feel motivated.
Instead I experienced moderate medication in relationship with woman and
love.
I am thinking of going to dating event on Tuesday. I feel I am
forcing this love issue and at the same time starting to feel resistance
to this bumper sticker. On Monday, March 16, 2009 FAQ Ed suggest "You
might consider coming up with some detail about what you mean by love."
I guess I been avoiding the issue. I don't feel like detailing out the
meaning of Love. I do like to fall in Love but may be its too vulnerable
for me to balance with my commitment to my right livelihood. I love my
work and its getting better and better. I feel not confident to balance
my life with true love relationship now.
I remember last time I was in
relationship, I put my full energy in to that love and my right
livelihood fell apart. just can't see myself balancing the two
together. I am certain that I would go crazy and thinking about her 24/7
and throw everything on a side. Funny thing is I guess I enjoy being
vulnerable and devoting everything toward her and forgeting about
everything else.
At the same time my intention is to keep the momentum
going on for right livlihood. As you can see from the measurement the Love
bumper sticker come to a stand still. It's still short time. I feel I am
making progress in little interactions with woman and feel I am
connected to them more and more but not in deep level. Hopefully I can
come up with a solution for this. Detailing out meaning of love is very
difficult.
Details of Love (In this case with your girlfriend)
1. Protect and Care
2. Support her to manifest her right livelihood
3. Spend weekend together
4. Physical Intimacy
5. Listen to her
Thanks for reading. |
Thank you for sharing your process. |
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Sunday, April
5, 2009
Sick to my Stomach
Ed
As I was studying, my wife called to me that supper was ready. As I
turned around to go to the table
I felt an uneasiness in my stomach. I noticed that this was a familiar
sick feeling I am used to and
remembered that this is the exact same feeling I had when I was young
and my parents made me
eat everything on my plate before I could leave the table.
I took this
feeling to my tribe for a hot seat
and got into this feeling of sick in my stomach. I recalled being at the
table eating everything I wanted
then eating even more than I wanted, feeling bloated, full enough to
pop, and just overall sick. I would
stare at the plate wondering how I could ever finish all that food that
was left and especially the squash.
I did not like squash, I didn't like the taste, I did not like the
texture, and feeling full and bloated all ready
just the sight of squash made me even more noxious. I was told how I had
to eat it because there was
starving kids in China that did not have anything. I did not care and
even felt bad because I didn't care
about them, just my overall feeling of misery.
I was a skinny kid when I
was a boy but now am at least
25 pounds too heavy. I have tried to loose weight but have been stuck
around the same weight for years.
The ah ha I had on the hot seat was although I have never liked the sick
full feeling from eating too much
that it is exactly what I do. I go to the lunch buffet and eat until I
am full and then sit there picking at food
until I am so full I can barely get out of the chair.
I eat foods that
are not in my best interest, and crave
greasy foods that leave me feeling sick to my stomach. Since the hot
seat I have been OK leaving food
on the plate. I don't eat as much and find myself actually thinking
about what I am putting in my body.
Since my involvement in TTP I find more and more things that I do
unconsciously without thought that do
not support me and after examination in my tribe these just seem fall
away. I no longer have a need
for them.
Thanks Ed |
Thank you for sharing your process.

Our Feelings
may figure as strongly
as our minds
in matters of eating
and in life in general.
Clip:
http://www.tummyachehelp.net/wp-content/
uploads/2009/01/stomach-ache.jpg |
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Sunday, April
5, 2009
Chart Server Down
Most Wise Master,
Just FYI the Stock tabs on the chart page are not working. Thank you for
all your assistance. |
Thank you.
I am in process of recovering from a
free and automatic update and "upgrade" of my Vista operating system. |
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Saturday,
April 4, 2009
EFT
Ed,
I just read your book and it is a AHA for me. I have a question though.
Have you tried EFT with your tribe process? (EFT is Emotional Freedom
Therapy) The friend who loaned me the book and I are starting a tribe.
Thanks,
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One of the precepts of EFT is that
some feelings are good and others are bad. |
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Saturday,
April 4, 2009
Equilibrium Investing FAQ
Re: your Sunday, March 29, 2009
Hi Ed !
I am thinking about your list of processes: micro-organism growth in
nutrient broth, nuclear reaction, compound interest, etc, which can be
displayed as parabolic trend charts, and which resemble the recent
growth of US money supply and growth of US debt.
So the most important economic question on the planet now is: What do
those charts of known parabolic trends look like after the parabola? I
believe that, with the possible exception of compound interest, they
each spike down.
As i visualize this more, i see it is not the number of viral bodies
which spike down. It is the fact that they kill their host, and so die
themselves, and the toxins they emit stop. Similarly, with dollar
creation, the number of dollars still exists, but the value is what
spikes down.
Perhaps this question is only another attempt to see the future, rather
than trading the present.
best regards,
|
Thank you for sharing your insight.
The growth process is essentially
exponential (not the same as parabolic).
For awhile, positive feedback
dominates. As the system evolves, an outer, negative feedback loop
comes to dominate. |
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Saturday,
April 4, 2009
Video - Questions about Policy
Ed
Hi Ed - I found it again... Hope it works this time. Better watch it
quick,
before the remove it again. After the first 1/3, it gets really super.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOKSkaQoF_I
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Thank you for the clip. |
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Friday, April
3, 2009
Do I Need Changing ?
Tutor ED:
Sorry , i didn't got any feedback for my last question as below, no
comments? |
You might consider taking your
feelings about <having to be perfect> to Tribe. |
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Friday, April
3, 2009
Quantum Physics - Video
Ed,
Just wanted to give you an update, and I am kicking ass. The system
dynamics is all too cool, look forward to conference.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEzRdZGYNvA
|
Thank you for the clip>
Here's one on Sodium Acetate:
http://www.youtube.com/
watch?v=aC-KOYQsIvU&NR=1 |
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Friday, April
3, 2009
Pendulum
Ed,
I first describe the pendulum without friction and then introduce
friction into the model. For purposes of this description, a pendulum is
a mass on the end of a mass-less rod that can swing freely in full circle
around a pivot.
I move the mass from its stable equilibrium position
(the position where the sum of all forces is equal to zero) to an angle
of 45 degrees. When I release the mass, the mass accelerates due to the
effect of gravity along an arc (described by the distance from the pivot
point to the center of gravity of the mass) towards the stable
equilibrium position.
As the mass accelerates along the arc its momentum
causes it to overshoot the stable equilibrium position until the effect
of gravity pulling it back towards the stable equilibrium position
overcomes the force of the momentum at -45 degrees, at which point it
stops and begins a trip back along the arc towards the stable
equilibrium position.
Once again as the mass accelerates along the arc
its momentum causes it to overshoot the stable equilibrium position and
return to the original angle position of 45 degrees where it stops.
The
mass then continues to oscillate around the stable equilibrium position
between +/- 45%. At least this is what happens when there is no friction
in the model. When I introduce friction (a combination of friction at
the pivot point and air resistance resulting from the movement of the
mass through air) that is proportional to the velocity of the mass, the
mass overshoots the stable equilibrium position but reverses course at a
point less far along the arc than the original angle position, and the
oscillation of the mass then continues to decay at a geometric rate
until the sum of all forces are once again equal to zero and the mass
resumes the stable equilibrium position. |
I notice you using cause and effect
to link events that do not occur in the same part of the cycle.
Hint: Your system dynamics model
does not operate this way. |
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Friday, April
3, 2009
Video - Women in Art
Ed,
This video takes my breath away! Amazing!
http://www.artgallery.lu/digitalart/women_in_art.html |
Thank you for the clip. |
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Friday, April
3, 2009
Equations
Beget Equations
Hi Ed,
I thought you may find this interesting: scientists using A.I. to get
computers to self-discover physics laws...by studying pendulum
http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/
2009/04/newtonai.html
It's also interesting to me to see how things attract. I stumble on
this link through a link on Gmail, which provides it by mining my
email and automatically search for key words that repeat often (in
this case, likely "pendulum"). So even unknowingly, things that we put
our minds to, attract even more of them. It seems that is one of the
premises of the Bumper Sticker Process, that clarifying our intention
magnetizes and draws us to it.
Thanks. |
Thank you for the clip. |
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Thursday,
April 2, 2009
Experiments in Weight Loss
Ed,
I now engage in a system of weight loss, where my intention is to allow
my feelings to be experienced while regulating my food intake. I find
food is a vehicle that keeps feelings bound up inside. I also find that
excessive weight creates additional feelings of stress, which, in turn,
requires additional food to further distract and avoid these new
feelings, causing a self reinforcing cycle that also is compounding,
creating knots within knots.
To break this pattern, I limit my food intake and learn to experience my
feelings, including their positive intentions. When I feel stressed, I
often go for an hour long walk to the park instead of a walk to the
refrigerator. I find by the time I return, much of the feelings
dissipate or are gone entirely. I feel my life becomes more organized
and productive as a result. I feel more energized and alive as well. So
far, my weight loss results in a reduction of many belt sizes. If
agreeable, I intend, on a regular basis, to provide updates on my
progress and invite any suggestions or comments from you or your Tribe
readers. |
Thank you for sharing your process. |
|
Thursday,
April 2, 2009
Pendulum - Different Measurements
Hi Ed,
As I am trying to put the pendulum model together, I noticed, that based
on our measurement the drag is increasing as the amplitude of the swings
are decreasing. (the large swing amplitude loss was <75%, whereas the
small swing amplitude loss was >85%, after 20 swings.
I repeated the experiment at home, and I got the opposite result: the
drag is decreasing as the amplitude is decreasing.
It will complicate the model equations, and our model will show a
strange behavior if I go by the measurements we took in IV.
It will be interesting to see.
I am still working on it. |
OK. |
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Thursday,
April 2, 2009
Dis-Equilibrium
Chief Ed,
The FAQ response to my earlier send on disequilibrium is focused on
trading vs. fading.
My send on disequilibrium is really about individuals, not markets
composed of individuals.
Assuming everything adds up to zero strongly supports the idea of [Bliss
= Zero Point].
I believe that dis-equilibriums are often perceived as 'opportunities' by
entrepreneurs, and traders alike.
For example, assume the natural equilibrium state of human beings is the
blissful Zero Point state. (This TTP name is very telling)
Further, define disequilibrium as a difference of potential in the
emotional energy balance in any one individual.
My model states that dis-equilibriums attract neutralizing forces, in
effect an "agent or conduit, or channel" that helps to vanquish the
difference of potential and release the stored energy.
In my view, this difference of potential is what creates and attracts
TTP. The difference of potential or "demand" for TTP is created by
incompetent parenting, lack of understanding, lack of attention, etc.
The result is disequilibrium in the forms of emotional immaturity,
emotional sickness and "stuckness".
TTP is a neutralizer of the difference of potential , which entrains an
equilibrium (blissful, "Zero Point") state in individuals.
You yourself say:
Ed's ultimate intention for The Trading Tribe
and for TTP
is for people to experience it,
and for it to disappear
and become just another passing AHA. |
Thank you for sharing your views. |
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Thursday,
April 2, 2009
Hot Seat Receiving
Chief Ed,
I have a very specific question about TTP Hot Seat receiving.
If the Sender is verbalizing, and it it clear to skilled Receiver that
this is engaging CM, what are some of the most effective techniques to
disengage Sender's CM and get him back on task, in terms of freely
pumping feelings from Fred to CM?
I know from reading FAQ (and some experience) that story-telling occurs
early in the Hot Seat experience, and later, some forms of Sender
verbalizing do not totally engage CM.
My question refers to the "non-story, late-in-Hot-Seat" verbalizations
that engage CM and effectively reduce potential of Hot Seat Sender to
get to Zero Point. |
Skillful receivers might consider
encouraging the sender to go more into verbal expression. |
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Thursday,
April 2, 2009
Sadness
Dear Ed,
Yesterday, I wake up in the middle of the night overcome by sadness. I
feel I mess up my life, I have no skill, no talents, I am not able to
support my family, I disappoint myself, and I waste my time with
ridiculous dreams of big things and do nothing about it.
The market opens and I'm greeted with an gap through stop-loss and as I
note in my trade journal I feel "sadness; failure, loser". I hate this
feeling and don't want to keep it around long enough to find it's
positive intention. I consciously notice myself shutting down, drifting
into "nowhere land"- so much easier that way. I catch myself medicating.
I keep the feeling, though I am not able to enjoy it. In fact I really
hate it.
Today I feel clearer, yet still shaken by such overwhelmingly strong
feelings of sadness and sorrow. I review the systems testing I complete
yesterday (where I achieve a MAR of 0.80 over 26 years back-testing,
using a combination of TSP's Exponential Averaging and
Support / Resistance systems for futures). The tests are correct, not "all
wrong - faulty formula" as I scribbled on my notes yesterday.
I have an "aha". Though my career choice is no longer right livelihood,
I realize there was a blissful time when I feel right livelihood in it.
Right livelihood evolves as I grow.
Best,
PS: I notice a left handed friend is taken aback by the term "right
livelihood". I think of the Italian word for "left", "sinistra". |
Thank you for sharing your process. |
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Thursday,
April 2, 2009
Dear Ed
Following on from my contribution Monday 23rd of March your title Father
and Son.
In the link below the title you typed previoius when I think you meant
previous. I hate to point these things out but I think you like to know
and then change them.
Since the last contribution I leave working for my Dad.
Feelings this brings up:
1. Anger that he doesn't try to stop me and that he can't see what I
feel I can see; that he is being used by the people the other two people
he employs.
2. Sadness that I'll see less of him in the future, I love a lot of the
time we spend together and I miss him already.
3. Guilt that he will have to carry out much of the manual tasks himself
with me gone. I tell myself it is his job to replace me if he wishes so
I shouldn't feel guilty but I do.
4. Lightness that I am not 'responsible' for the business anymore, to
accept it will take the course he intends for it and that it is beyond
my control.
5. Fear that I have no income and have to build my own life from
scratch.
This coincides with my long term girlfriend leaving her job after
accepting she doesn't enjoy it and anticipating that that won't change.
We are worried about our financial short term but strangely not by our
financial fate for the longer term. I feel that by defining what we want
we are already closer to achieving it.
Below is a brief list that provide the framework for the life I want to
lead. My belief is that my long term girlfriend shares these ideals and
we will achieve them together.
1. We will work by ourselves for ourselves.
2. We will work from home with an office in the house.
3. We will be able to drop our children (when they come along!) at
school and collect them each day if we choose.
4. We will be able to take two weeks away from work at Christmas, one at
Easter and three weeks over the summer if we choose.
5. We will only spend 50% of our income.
6. We will not borrow to buy anything other than a house.
7. We will support each other whilst remaining independant.
8. We will not compare what we own to other people.
9. We will build for the long term whilst enjoying the short term.
Now they are down on paper we take steps to realising them. I am trying
to find the courage to print them and stick them on the fridge for all
to see but for now I feel cautious to make open these feelings to
everyone.
Once they are posted I will place a link to them on my 'favourites' to
keep me reminded what I have set out to achieve. I fully expect now for
other people to overtake me financially and for the first time in years
I am OK with it. They are just doing what they want and I am doing what
I want. Both are valid choices and we can learn from each other. Maybe
freeing myself from the dramas of the past ten years will lead to
financial abundance through trading.
On a side issue I don't drink alcohol for six weeks and my depressions
eases.
Kind regards and thanks. |
Thank you for the catch.
Thank you for sharing your process. |
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Thursday,
April 2, 2009
IVTT Hot Seat
I take the hot seat at IVTT on Thursday. My issue is my relationship
with my father whose approval I try, vainly, to win all my life. In
particular, my father downplays my achievements and offers irrelevant
advice on subjects he understands poorly. Ed notes that my problem
lies not so much in my father's unsolicited advice, as in my judgement
on the anger I feel about this advice. Ed asks if I'm willing to
experience the judgement. I have some difficulty with that. Ed
explains his notion of a stack of judges. He asks if I'm willing to
experience the judgement on the judgement. A judgement on the
judgement on the judgement on the anger feels pretty ridiculous, and I
start laughing. Ed asks how I feel about the original judgement, and
it seems as ridiculous. So does my father's advice. Puff.
On Saturday my wife and I are getting ready to go to a picnic with
friends. We are late, and she complains that I'm dragging my feet. I
feel annoyed at her hurrying me. I say, honey, can you hurry me some
more? Then it hits me. I actually enjoy being hurried! My mother does
that to me when I'm a child, and I marry a woman who does the same
thing. The only problem is that I also think it's bad. The judgement
disappears. As we drive to the picnic, I keep asking my wife to hurry
me some more. I laugh so hard, she asks if I'm hysterical.
By Sunday, our relationship is under stress. My wife wonders if I'm
mad. She says she wants to leave me and go back to her home country. I
say that I feel great sadness at her decision, but I support her in
it. She says IVTT must be some sort of cult, that I must be mocking
her and she wants the old me back. I consider calling Ed and asking
him to process us over the phone.
By Tuesday things calm down and we find a new level in our
relationship. I still laugh and ask her to hurry me up. I notice a new
lightness about us. We enjoy our walks in the park more, and we laugh
together. |
Thank you for sharing your process.

Hurry Up
can be a game for two.
Clip:
http://www.hellocrazy.com/reserved/cards/
200411251546120.rudypoop.jpg |
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Wednesday,
April 1, 2009
Ponzi Scheme
Ed,
It looks like you've got at least one associate in the criticism of
stimulus packages:
http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/article/
169781/Peter-Schiff-Stimulus-Bill-Will-Lead-to-%22
Unmitigated-Disaster%22tickers=^dji,^gspc,
QQQQ,SPY,DIA,TLT,UDN&comment_start=21
As I understand it, stimulus packages are like trying to cure drug
addiction by giving more drugs to the patient.
Whatever I hear some people comparing this to something like or worse
than the 30's. I wonder if you've got a Dynamic Feedback System Model
simulation to understand the relationship between economic crises,
social unrest and wars. |
Yes, I have a number of Models that
deal with the socio-economic behavior. |
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Wednesday,
April 1, 2009
TTP and the Dentist
Ed,
I went to my dentist appointment today. I have always experienced
intense anxiety from the time I drove to
the dentist until I finally was able to walk out the door.
After taking
my feelings of fear and anxiety to my tribe
a few months ago I noticed today those feeling of anxiety were barely
there at all. I felt calm and even enjoyed
the conversation and presence of the dentist and her dental assistant.
Although a little anxiety was there I
felt like it was a healthy apprehension and no longer suffered from my
usual "white knuckle" experience.
After the dentist was finished we had a really pleasant conversation
while walking to the appointment desk
to schedule the next visit and she stayed and we talked for awhile.
Before I just got out of there as fast
as I could. I felt I connected with them as human beings today and
enjoyed my visit. WOW what a difference. Thank |
Thank you for sharing your
process.

Your Experience ...

... of Being at the
Dentist ...

... is Your Experience ...

... of Being at the Dentist
Clips:
http://www.sonofthesouth.net/uncle-sam/images/
dentist-office-art.jpg
http://www.theblogfathers.com/uploads/
2007/07/dentist2.gif
http://www.sexycoolwink.com/photo/
photo_large/sexy_dentist9112.jpg
http://hollywoodjokes.com/wp-content/
uploads/2009/02/funny-dentist-hollywood
-jokes-1.jpg |
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Wednesday,
April 1, 2009
IRS Attorney Speaks and Sings
Ed,
Anne McKinney is a Knoxville, Tennessee attorney who cut her teeth as an
IRS Staff Attorney. She composed and sang this for the attending
attorneys at a continuing legal education seminar she taught last
Thursday. Many there suggested she take it further. She moved quickly to
do so.
http://www.youtube.com/
watch?v=MAdJLLmpWBU&feature=channel_page
|
Thank you for the link. |
|
Wednesday,
April 1, 2009
Scientific Serendipity
Ed,
Here is an article that I think you may find interesting:
http://blogs.static.mentalfloss.com/blogs/
archives/23600.html |
Thank you for the link. |
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Wednesday,
April 1, 2009
Wants a Contact
Good Morning Ed,
After reviewing your recent FAQ posts I saw somebody looking for other
traders in the Seattle area. I recently moved up to Seattle and I want
to meet new people. Would you mind giving them my email address? Thank
you.
Sincerely, |
I post contact information for people who wish to run Tribes.
I do not otherwise reveal personal information. |
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Wednesday,
April 1, 2009
Leo Buscaglia
on Love
Ed,
Video for you...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=
-2820519177297900502&ei=
BvatSeuDJpTWqAL5wdXnDg&q=
leo+buscaglia&hl=en |
Thank you for the link. |
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Thank you for the links.
I can identify with his material. |
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