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Thank you for sharing your process.

Sunday, March 7, 2010


Attentionitis

Ed,

I wake up in an excellent mood. As I re-read my posting from March 6 I start laughing about myself: here I go, again asking for sympathy and attention, this time from you and Tribe! I suffer from a severe case of attentionitis. Yesterday I talk to my sister. Instead of telling her about my situation, I ask her about her. She tells me about her worries regarding our mom's health. Much more important stuff than my self-compassionate, indulgent cr...

I take the issue “attention” to the hot seat.
 

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Sunday, March 14, 2010
 

Family Dynamics - Guilt Tripping


Hi Ed,

One of the Rock Resources I have is to share feelings. But what if others don't want to receive?

It happens with my in-laws. In 2008, my in-laws were not happy after their retirement and wanted to come to the U.S. to stay with us. Since my wife was pregnant at that time, we bought a 2-family house so that my in-laws could stay with us and help take care of my wife and the baby after he was born.

My in-laws love my son dearly and take very good care of him, probably too good. They protect him in every way, and if he ever cries, Grandpa will sure come to rescue.

Since I am involved with TTP, I am well aware of being a rock donor to the child. I see the pattern that my son could be throwing tantrum, or more precisely, using crying and tears to get what he wants. For example, Grandpa may want to put him down for a minute so that he can get dressed, but he won't let to be put down or anyone else to hold him, and he will cry and Grandpa will submit to him. In fact, he does it for Grandpa.

 

Once he was crying, I just took him out for a walk. Within 2 minutes of not seeing Grandpa, he stopped the crying and
acted normally, probably knowing that his tears are in vain. He was only 16 months old then.

We took him to our home city to see our relatives for the first time. Literally everyone's comments to us was that the baby is too protected, and that Grandpa is holding him too much.

 

I have been wanting to have a deep conversations with my in-laws for a long time, but I have been avoiding the confrontation, for they are very sensitive to any bit of criticism.

 

Before they came to the U.S., I wrote a hearty letter to them, explaining my fear of living together since it is a big change for me, but that despite so I am willing to and looking forward to make it home for them here. My wife knows I speak from my heart, but she later heard from my father-in-law that he took it the other way, and thought that was my implicit message of not welcoming him.

Well, this time I have seen enough and the pain of not speaking overwhelms the fear of confrontation. I spend several nights thinking of what I want to say.

 

I know I have to be very delicate, very careful in the words I use.

 

I want to show them my appreciation, and let them know that I am happy that they are taking good care of the baby these months. I want to let them know my concern that they may be too protective of the baby, and I think it'd be a lot healthier if we let the baby (actually, now a toddler) more freedom, and give him the opportunity to try and fail instead of helping him at every moment.

 

I want to share my feelings, how I felt when the baby was crying while I was holding him, and then Grandpa rushed to the rescue and took the baby from me. That was the feeling of failure, as if I missed one shot in a basketball game, and I can't shoot anymore. I can't learn shooting that way.

The conversation went better than my expectation - or so I thought at the time. My father-in-law commented that he was glad that we had the conversation, and that he assured me that he wasn't spoiling the child, and I was just overly worried. I thought that was a good start, as we establish communication.

Then today, almost a month later, my wife told me her dad was very unhappy. She said he didn't feel appreciated, as if everything he did was wrong. At first, I thought he was referring to my mother-in-law, for she tends to belittle him, even in front of us, and many times I feel sorry for him. I even told my wife then that that kind of public belittling is unhealthy to a loving relationship. My wife agrees, but she thinks that it is not appropriate for us to say anything about their relationship. If that's how they operate, well, that's their way. I guess she's right.

My wife was angry at her dad for making everyone unhappy, with the way he is blaming others. I told her to have empathy and think from his perspective, for she is just blaming him now for the problem.

 

"You know, if you are always belittled, you probably don't feel too good either, so we can't blame him for being upset."

 

Also, it's good that he is now telling her how he feels, and we want to encourage that. My wife was ready to point out the her dad's flaws to him, but I suggest to her instead to tell him genuinely that his happiness is what's most important to us, and we are sorry to see him upset, and we'd like to know how we can make things better.

So with that, my wife had another conversation with her parents. When my wife came back, she told me that they were actually upset at me!

 

They said I shouldn't be the one speaking to them about how to raise a baby.

 

To them, it feels like criticism, and they don't like to take that from me. They feel they work so hard to take care of the baby, but they get criticism instead of appreciation from me. They even make it clear to her - if there's any differing opinion in how to raise a baby, they can hear it from her but not from me.

Coincidentally, I was in the midst of writing a letter even before this fiasco. In it, I express my gratitude for their service, and acknowledge that I have my personal flaws too. I say I appreciate the conversation we had, and reiterate my desire to continue the open communication. I invite them for feedback for any of my short-coming. I also share with them my vision, that I see them at my son's college graduation with us, and I feel so glad that *WE* did it together as a team to raise a boy who is now a fine young man. I list a couple of areas where we have differences in our views on what's appropriate for the baby, and I share with them my view. I make it clear that I understand where they are coming from, and it isn't about right or wrong, but as a matter of preference I'd like to see it handle differently.

Well, since the message they gave my wife is that they don't want to hear from me directly, I can't send them the letter. My wife suggested me not to also. She said she could feel I genuinely appreciate them and want to have an open conversation to work things out together, but she is afraid they'd take my words as criticism instead.

 

She said they can't handle sharing feelings. They don't do those things. They are very sensitive to criticism, and my letter would backfire.

I share my hurt feelings with my wife. I saw my in-laws as my family, and I muster up the courage to open up myself to them to have the conversation, and I thought I got encouragement from my father-in-law.

 

But now he is saying I hurt him deeply with my criticism, and that he couldn't sleep well at night. I feel like he is blaming me for all his problems!

 

Now I feel very hurt. My wife said she understood, but gave me the "what-can-I-do" shrug. I feel sorry for her to be in between us, trying to please both sides. I know it is a difficult situation for her and I don't want to make it even more difficult.

Well, writing it out here is somewhat therapeutic to me. When I began, I don't know what I can do. In fact, my automatic gut response is to give my in-laws the silent protest (despite us having dinner together every night). If they don't like me, fine then, I just won't speak to them. At the same time, I know how childish and unconstructive it is. It doesn't solve the problem but just sweep it under the rug. That's actually how my in-laws told my wife - that after speaking to her they feel better and they can pretend nothing happens.

There is a voice in me that tells me to keep showing them love and appreciation persistently to melt their heart, to make them realize that despite our differences I am indeed appreciative of their service and effort.

 

I have no doubt about their sincerity in wanting the best for the baby - I just wish they could tone it down a bit so as not to suffocate the boy's natural learning ability. I feel being patience, showing them our love and appreciation is the right thing to do, but at the same time I am also feeling a lot of hesitance and resistance to do so. After all, my feeling's hurt too.

Even though I can't see why and how, I am well aware of the possibility that I might want to feel hurt and so I create this drama and enroll my in-laws and wife as players. I intend to bring this hurt feeling to the hot seat in our next Tribe meeting.

Thank you for sharing your process.

 

In some forms of relating, people try to control each other by using "guilt trips." One tells the other person "You are hurting my feelings," in order to gain control and make the other person submit.

 

In other forms of relating, people take responsibility for their own feelings; they report their own feelings and desires and respect those of others.

 

If you are in a culture of guilt trippers and wish to extricate yourself smoothly from the "game," you can try something like this:

Guilt Tripper:  "You shouldn't say that. You are hurting my feelings."

 

You: "Thank you for telling me what I should do and thank you for sharing your feelings."

If you wish to gain control, you can use:

 

Guilt Tripper:  "You shouldn't say that. You are hurting my feelings."

 

You: "Thank you for making me feel guilty.  I rather like the feeling. Please do that some more."

 

The Guilt Tripper does not generally wish to share feelings honestly and openly.  He wishes to make you feel guilty about what you "should" or "shouldn't" do and he wishes to put you on eggshells.

 

Another approach is to simply minimize interactions and find other playmates.

 

Likely, you have rocks (deep response patterns) that fit nicely within the web of your family dynamics and you might rather enjoy continuing to relate according to the "way it works" within your family structures.

 

You might consider taking your feelings about <guilt>, <blame> and <doing the right thing> to Tribe.

 

 

 

Some People Learn To Walk on Eggshells

without breaking them

 

 

 

 

Some People Like Breaking Them

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Friday, March 12, 2010


System Development

Hello Ed,

[Name] and I have been thinking about you and hope everything is going well in your world.

We thought it would be fun to let you know that us guys at [Firm] were thinking about you & were thankful of the couple hours we spent together a few months ago in Incline. In our initial systems development discussions, little nuggets you gave us always seem to come to the forefront. We will always consider you one of our true mentors and plan on crediting you as a mentor to our success.

 

You spend your whole life building something of this magnitude, that only a few can understand and appreciate, but we know you understand everything we have been working on and the feelings we have gone thru toward embracing it, trusting the systems and taking focused action with them. The deep discussion we had at the table on our feelings and mentality was appreciated, understood and has been applied.

Here are our finding.... We have finally been able to uncover and empirically prove the condition in the currency markets that causes the "Explosion" and continue to explore it to great effect.

 

This was one of of the initial points in our discussion we were trying to prove out & learn your perspective on. Check out the attached spreadsheet on the back-tested results. Totally Awesome !!

 

We take a piece of the move a few times a month with a fairly significant contract size; check the PROFIT FACTOR.

 

Yes, longer time frames are used as you mentioned you use, but we can frame these trades on the smaller time frames for precision....Let us know if you would like to go into it in a little deeper detail on the phenomenon and we would be happy to walk you thru our interpretation of it...

 

You are one of you only people who may be able to add some significant perspective to our findings.

Thank you for sharing your progress.

Thursday, March 11, 2010


Book

Dear Ed

Thank you (again!) for your wonderful feedback to people who write to you re: FAQ. I have questions about your book, please: Do you still have copies to sell? (I recall reading somewhere that you have sold out).  And lastly, I read you are working on another book – when do you plan to publish that?

The Trading Tribe is in its second printing and is currently available.

 

I am currently in process with my next book.

Tuesday, March 9, 2010


Shadenfreud

 

Ed,


I notice that I have some, not intense, but enough for me to notice, feelings of shadenfreud surrounding what now seems like a non stop run of news regarding problems with Toyotas. The feelings are with the Co., not the customers.

Thank you for sharing your process.

 

(Shadenfreud is a feeling of delight associating with someone else's misfortune.)

 

 

 

 

Tuesday, March 9, 2010


Trading System Project


Hi Ed,

after completing the EMA system, I'm currently working on your S&R system.

Your trade list reports on 75/02/11 the first trade (short).

But from the graph labeled " First few trades" (as well as for mthe metrics list), I don't see the day's low touching or taking out long-term support, a prerequisite for the long-term trend to be down and thus a condition for a short entry.

Why is there still the condition for a short entry present?

Same thing on second short entry on 3/20/75: only short-term support is being touched, but NOT long-term support which is way below the day's low.

Am I missing here something?

I'd like to proceed with the exercise, but just don't know what's going on.

Once the system establishes the long-term trend, it does not need daily re-confirmation of that trend.

Tuesday, March 9, 2010


Wondering About Trading


Ed,

I am hungry to become a great trader. It is my passion and love to do it. I am very intense about it and even lose sleep because sometimes I stay up wondering what trades I am going to do the next day. I was wondering you would be able to train me to think and act like you do in the markets?

Thank you for your inquiry.

 

You might consider attending the upcoming Workshop.

 

 

When You Trade Systematically

 

one of the wonderful things

 

is that you stop wondering.

 

 

 

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Monday, March 8, 2010


Sharing Feelings With His Son
 

I just finished up a fairly intense hotseat with my 11 yr old son. He was complaining of neck and back pain; said he felt like he was being hog piled on; school pressures, classes ,kids, the bus. I encouraged him to feel the pain --he intensified. It worked out. We both feel better.

 

I feel fulfilled. He's up in the tub right now--feeling what it feels like to float in the ocean.

Thank you for sharing your process.

 

 

Fathers And Sons

 

like other relationships

 

can becomes more intimate

through sharing feelings.

 

 

 

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Monday, March 8, 2010


Out of the Army

Dear Mr. Ed Seykota,
 

This is [Name] from [Country]. It has been a long time since I have been in contact with you because I was serving the [Country] armed forces during the last year.

Unfortunately the military service turned out to be a big setback because it did not allow any free time to research trend-trading systems.

Although I would be delighted to apply and possibly attend your workshop, I have been out of the army recently and did not manage to save money for the fees and apply on time for your upcoming workshop.

I am reading the developments on your web site and I am currently researching a way to define trends.