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Friday,
October 9, 2009
Swami Sez
Ed,
The Buddha was once meditating. His mind started creating problems
and distracted him from the path of enlightenment. It was as though
hundreds of horses were galloping through his mind.
But the monk
remained a witness and did not identify with fear. His mind turned into
thousands of elephants tempting him to identify with them, but again
Buddha was just a witness, he saw through the mind's game. His mind
became a loving deer but still Buddha remained a witness. He did not get
tempted.
Finally, his mind turned into a loving child drowning in the ocean,
seeking his attention. Buddha, out of compassion, merged with his
thoughts and stretched out his hands to save the drowning child. At
once, the child turned into a monster and started pulling Buddha to the
ocean. Buddha realized his folly and left the monster and continued
being a witness. The monster turned again into a child and started
pleading for help.
Buddha continued his meditation of being, not participating, but being a
witness. The child drowned in the ocean and emerged as an enlightened
mind, reflecting Buddha's mind. This is a play narrating Buddha's effort
towards enlightenment.
Is the shunning of identification an important aspect of meditation?
Learn to be a witness to your thoughts and feelings. In the witnessing
consciousness, there is no identification with anything. Identification
leads to misery. Worry is a form of identification. Literally, worry
means twisting and tearing. Have you observed that when you worry, your
moving centre gets twisted? Negative state of worry depression or
fear... shows up strongly in the form of twisting one's body-moving
centre.
Just be a witness and do not get identified. Relax your body, your mind
and then finally just be a witness. Let not your 'I' get identified with
your body and mind. This de-identification is meditation.
What about emotions in a state of worry?
Firstly, negative emotional states like that of worry and jealousy
must be observed and recognized. Generally, we do not see them. Instead,
we become them. While a negative emotion is happening, be an onlooker.
Then the emotion will be like a cloud that comes and goes.
To stop a negative emotion that comes out, create a new will through the
intellectual centre. This is not suppression as you are doing it with an
understanding that if negative emotion is let loose, it will create a
hurt body. In turn this hurt body will take control of you.
Worry is a form of identification. It is useless. Unfortunately,
many of us think it is right to worry about someone we love. Give up
this voluntary form of suffering. By worrying you exhaust yourself. Your
energy gets depleted. In a depleted state, one cannot perform to the
optimum level. Learn to take small steps, stop worrying. Weed out the
worry as it emerges. Do not allow the other centres to support and
nourish it.
What do you mean when you say we live in two worlds ?
One is visible and outer while the other is invisible and inner. The
outer is your body that is visible. The inner is your psychology. The
object of spiritual teaching is to lead a person from unconscious being
to conscious being.
-- Swami Sukhabodhananda
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In TTP we hold that all feelings
have positive intentions.
The next time you see Swami you
might suggest he take his feelings about <problems>, <worry> and
<jealousy> to Tribe. |
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Friday,
October 9, 2009
See Previous
I do not pretend to not like cats. I don't like cats as pets. I prefer
dogs and birds.
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OK. |
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Friday,
October 9, 2009
Economics:
a Definition
Hello Chief Ed,
I thought you'd get some kicks out of this one:

Clip:
http://despair.com/economics.html |
EcoNowMics
is the art and science of relationships as they are in the moment of now. |
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Thursday,
October 8, 2009
EcoNowMics
and Monetary Policy and Oz
As I read about historical US monetary policy, I notice a surprisingly
popular subject: interpreting / The Wonderful Wizard of OZ / as fiscal
allegory. I decide to re-read the book, and put it in context.
In the 1896 presidential election, William McKinley runs on a platform
of "sound money"--a gold standard and fixed money supply. His opponent
William Bryan advocates "free silver"--expansion of the money supply
though "free" conversion of recently abundant silver into legal tender,
1890's equivalent of printing money. McKinley wins.

In 1900, Frank
Baum publishes "The Wonderful Wizard of OZ" . In the book, Dorothy
assembles a populist coalition of brainless farmers, heartless
industrial workers and--gasp!--cowardly African beasts. Her Silver
slippers tread on the Gold brick road, and take her to Emerald City. On
the way, her party narrowly escapes Red opiates for the masses.
Incidentally, Emerald City is only green by fiat--it is white as paper
unless you wear the compulsory green glasses.

In 1901, Leon
Czolgosz assassinates McKinley and Vice President Roosevelt becomes
President. Theo-dor-othy becomes a trust-buster and champions "elastic
currency," an euphemism for inflationary policy. He establishes the
National Monetary Commission which recommends creating a Federal Reserve
and its Notes, the greenback paper currency in use today.

In 1933,
Franklin D. Roosevelt's executive order prohibits possession of gold,
removes it from circulation, and debases the dollar from $20.67 to $35
per OZ. Government debt (payable in gold) magically shrinks by 30%.
Greenbacks are no longer convertible into Gold.

In 1939, Judy
Garland treads on the Yellow brick road in Ruby slippers. The film makes
no reference to Red poppies. Emerald City appears Green from inside and
out, without any special glasses.

Clips:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:1900McKinley.JPG
http://www.archive.org/details/
wonderfulwizardo00baumiala
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
File:Elastic.JPG
http://www.jasonpye.com/blog/
socialism/#entry-2527
http://www.paulmilesschneider.com/
blog/?tag=ruby-slippers#post-73 |
Thank you for sharing your insights. |
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Thursday,
October 8, 2009
Testimonial: First Tribe Meeting
Hi Ed,
This is a testimonial about my first experience on the "Hot Seat" with
the [City] Chapter ...
This was my first time to a Trading Tribe Meeting ... I read the book so
I had some idea of what to expect ... but nothing could have prepared me
for what I experienced ...
Just about all of the Tribe members took the Hot Seat and the feelings I
felt from the other members when they were on the Hot Seat helped me to
let down my guard a little. The other members didn't hold anything
back and it gave me the confidence to try to explore where they were
going.
I was invited to the Hot Seat. I honestly don't know what happened to me
next - the field of acknowledgement brought out feelings and Forms that
pretty much scared me at first, but then I just let it
unravel and take it's journey where it wanted to go. At times I was
embarrassed, and at times I felt liberated - and more interesting than
anything else I didn't know if I could stop it. The flow of emotions
was down right exhausting - my breathing was deep and heavy, my
hands moved in jerky uncontrollable spasms. I got down close to the
floor with clenched fists and a rage on my face - I started to laugh
and then break down through the whole cycle again. At one point I
felt limp and I didn't know what was going to happen next - the rage
came back and my fists stretched out with uncontrolled shakes, my whole
body shivered and my breathing quaked - time stood still and I
have no idea how long this had been going on or how long it would last. I tried to calm down with heavy breathing until I came back to
conscious.
After the meeting I drove home and put myself to bed, the
whole night I thought about my experience and I didn't know what to make
of it. Honestly, this experience has changed me and it's too
early to know how. I'm not sure if I had an AHA moment, but I think
maybe I saw it briefly towards the end.
Ed, this is powerful stuff and I appreciate what you have given me.
You have shown me a window into my soul. |
Thank you for sharing your process. |
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Thursday,
October 8, 2009
Feelings of Wanting
Ed,
You might be wanting
(and getting)
the feeling of wanting.
People Who Play for Sympathy
try to win
by pretending they don't have
what they want.
Thanks. Could you elaborate a bit further on how this works, if possible
with another example? I think cats, in general, pretend a lot of things
to get what they want and I don't like it. |
OK, you might like pretending to not
like cats that pretend things to get what they want. |
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Thursday,
October 8, 2009
Wants a Definition
Dear Ed,
What is Quant trading??
I am from a country where Quant trading seems to be the
solution in trading for the banks.
Great engineers from Great Schools in Mathematics populate the room
market of those big banks as traders. Those schools are more and less
the equivalent of your MIT(Massachusset Institute of Technology). But,
I've never read a super trader who is a quant trader.
I feel curious and confused about that situation. Strangely, You the
Great Ed Seykota never talks about Quant trading on your encyclopedia
site; Neither the super traders in Market Wizards I and II...
So my question is, is Quant trading Math-turbation? is it a good
distraction that avoids the important task of dealing with the present?
Your answer as an engineer from MIT might be very interesting. |
A quant is a type of barge pole with
a cap at the top and a prong at the bottom to stop it from sinking into
the mud. A quant for a punt, as in punting the Thames, is about 4 meters
long; it is either wood or a hollow metal, so it can float.
A quant trader, then, is an
Englishman who engages in punt pole commerce.
As a hobby, such a person might also
analyze financial information in order to detect relationships,
disparities, or patterns that can lead to making money.

Punting the Thames
Clip:
http://www.satin.co.uk/Punting.jpg |
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Wednesday,
October 7, 2009
Scientology
Dear Ed,
Have you been involved in the past with Scientology ?
Just curious |
In TTP we hold that every result is
everyone's intention; in that regard, I acknowledge you and I creating
Scientology and, incidentally, your question about it. |
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Wednesday,
October 7, 2009
Questions
Hi Mr. Seykota:
I'm an 18-year-old girl from Barcelona and I'm doing a research work
about trading. I've been reading your website, included your name in the
work, and I'd appreciate if you answered a couple of simple questions to
attach to my work:
1. Long-term trading, middle-term trading or Swing trading??
2. What are your 3 favorite indicators?
3. When did you get interested in the stock market and why?
4. Technical analysis or fundamental analysis?
5. Most important qualities of a successful trader?
6. Put in order of preference: Futures, Options, ETFs, Stocks (best to
worst in your opinion)
Thank you very much for your attention. |
You might consider taking your
feelings about <ambiguity> and <entitlement> to Tribe. |
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Tuesday,
October 6, 2009
EcoNowMics:
Capital Formation
Hi Ed,
I continue to think about your paper on capital formation. I wonder
about the origin and evolution of the term "Capitalism." I first learn
about it as a child in the Soviet Union, where it describes the
antithesis to Communism: first-world countries and pre-revolutionary
Russia.
I recall a sense of surprise when I first arrive in America and meet
people who describe Capitalism as their preference for social
organization. I recall my assumption that Marx's Das Kapital
popularizes the noun "capitalist" as a derogative, and that no one
self-describes as a capitalist any more than as a carpetbagger or as a
copperhead. I recall wondering if the term is a "reclaimed word" in
the same sense as "geek" or "dyke" may be.
The Russian of my childhood is full of obscure pejoratives whose
meaning eludes analysis. For instance: I recall standard references to
Germany under the National Socialist Workers' Party as a Fascist and
Capitalist state. Over the years I come to understand what some of the
terms actually mean in that language:
White Movement: Russians not under Red control
Menshevism: Socialists not under Lenin's control
Trotskyism: Communists not under Stalin's control
Fascism: Statists not under Soviet control
Capitalism: Governments not under Communist control
I notice that, to the extent that they are part of the English
language, some of these words have the same meanings in English. I
wonder about the origin and evolution of the term "Capitalism," and
whether it is an exception in this list. |
Thank you for your comments. |
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Tuesday,
October 6, 2009
Control to
Intimacy
Dear Ed (and support team),
I report in on my Big Wave (I give my wife and children all my love and
support and I center my relationship on intimacy).
I have many observations about the interaction of my wife with my
children. I observe how she expect them to be or act somehow, and how
our children rebel. At the same time, my wife reports her admiration
about how I cope with the whims of our youngest son.
Something that my wife said some time ago bothers me. I want to talk
about it with her. She is elusive and explains. After some minutes, she
mentions that something I did six months ago hurt her a lot. I realize
that it was very painful for her. I apologize and acknowledge that she
felt used. She mentions that I am not apologizing. Her eyes are wet. I
see that the event is past, but her sadness happens now. I want to allow
her to communicate her feelings, if she wants. I say "it seems to me
that you are very sad". She answers quite matter-of-factly "I have tears
in my eyes". I say with all my empathy and kindness "Maybe you want to
tell me more about it".
I know that this is a magnificent chance to open our hearts, to show our
weaknesses, to support each other and to grow. It would be exactly the
kind of relationship I have been longing for all these years. I
completely open the door for her feelings. When I do this with other
people, after five minutes they tell me about their sadness and their
pain, their loneliness and their fear, about miscarriages and emotional
abuse, about husbands being unsupportive, parents telling them they she
should have never been born, fathers hitting them with a ladle, mothers
almost bleeding to death during the delivery. I know how intimate this
communication is, I know that it liberates and heals.
I mention "A much better communication is possible, a more intimate
contact, but to do that it is necessary to be open to share feelings".
My wife says "I can't stand this anymore" and leaves the room.
I realize that, even without my awareness, I was testing her willingness
to open up emotionally (Saturday, August 1, 2009: "From Control to
Intimacy: Employing Willingness Testing"). I imagine that I do it in a
non-controlling way. She refuses. To insist would be suggesting that she
is doing something wrong, trying to fix her. And I do not fix people.
But on Friday I think "I do not have an intimate relationship with my
wife" and feel really bad. I observe that I ABHOR the feeling. I
obviously have a wife who helps Fred to experience the feeling that I
hate. Before she changes, I have to change myself. I take the issue to
the hotseat; the process is very short and extremely intense. I realize
that the feeling is deeply intertwined with "loneliness". I have a
remembrance of newborns in the nursery, separated from their mothers for
the first time, feeling alone. But separation, loneliness is what allows
us to be independent, to carry our own life. I surf the feeling and
enjoy it.
During the weekend we talk a lot. My wife mentions that she is "an
emotional cripple riding a wheelchair", not even being able to say "I
love you". She mentions that nobody ever was so kind to her as I. I
remind her that also nobody was ever so insensible to her needs as I
was. She tells me that she wants to change, bus asks me for patience and
strong nerves. I mention that I could be very patient if I knew the
outcome...She thanks me for my love and support, and mentions that she
just wants me to be happy. After that, for the first time in years she
asks me and sleeps in my arms.
Today is Tuesday. As I leave the house for work, my wife says to me "I
love you".
Now I know that I do not judge rejection, loneliness, or sadness. I
realize my needs for love, for physical contact, for communication,
acceptance and support. I feel that these needs are universal, shared by
all FAQ readers...but also by their partners. I learn how I condition
the answers of my wife and of my children. I see how I create my own
environment, and how I can change it by applying different politics. My
spontaneous prompting evolves from "how do I get from this person what I
want" over the clumsy "how do I interact the best with this person from
an intimacy perspective" to the simple "how do I serve this person the
best?". I learn to change people not by force, but by telling them about
my needs and seeing if they are open, or just willing to play games with
my feelings. Most important, I also learn that intimacy is not taking a
pill once and changing your life, it is an exercise routine that you
repeat continuously until you master it. And if you stop exercising,
well, you lose your edge.
As I accept my feelings, I realize what kind or relationship I need.
Maybe my wife can join me, and maybe she cannot.
But this is another story.
I give myself a "pass".
I thank you for your support and, as always, remind you about my need
for the disclosure of inconsistencies.

Clip:
http://www.slublog.com/archives/
Mission%20Accomplished.jpg |
Thank you for sharing you process -
and for inspiring many with your accounts along the path from
control-centric to intimacy-centric relating.
Per your request for
inconsistencies, you might notice that "Mission Accomplished" infers
some event in the non-existing past.
"Mission Complete" infers the
condition exists now. |
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Monday,
October 5, 2009
Bicycle
Magic (Movie)
Dear Ed,
Thought you
might like this.
http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/
bcpid1137883380?bctid=21337502001 |
Thank you for the clip. |
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Monday,
October 5, 2009
Closing in
on Closure
Dear Tribe;
Another week
of blah returns. (This morning I am up 0.1%). I have done a few things
of value. Mostly, I've made a mess. I do have a new Microsoft computer,
on which to load CSI and Trading Blox. I also managed to delete ALL my
emails. And I discovered the emoticons in my email- it's a new feature.
Here's what I
am really feeling about my life.
I am disgusted with the lack of closure . Big players are interested in
the Company, but they move slowly. The market and I do not see eye to
eye. My family. Since, I cannot control other people, I am committing to
doing as much closure, within my control. I am Closing until I feel
completely caught up.
I wrote that last Tuesday- and immediately felt better. I continue to
clean and close- I am feeling good, not complete but better. One thing I
realized was that not finishing things creates a sort of drag on
everything, I am dragging my baggage around. Closure means I do not have
to be apologizing for not getting anything completed. Closure makes me
feel cleaner and lighter.
6 days gym
Zero days travel
6 days EcoNowMics |
Thank you for sharing your process.
You might consider taking your
feelings about <moving slowly> to Tribe. |
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Monday,
October 5, 2009
Fred and
Ralph
Hello Mr. Ed
Greetings from [Country]! I just returned from a short vacation feeling
rejuvenated.
I wish to narrate an incident about a cousin sister who travelled with
us in SUV. It was a 10 hour journey in a day on roads in the
hinterlands. Recent monsoon rains have created havoc on already fragile
road network.
My cousin sister approaching 60th birthday, has had a very bad history
of motion (travel) sickness hence was very worried and nervous as usual
at the start of our journey. As always, she began complaining about it.
I suggested her to tell herself "she doesn't have any issues with travel
sickness" She agreed to it and we all purposefully did not talk about
motion sickness throughout the day in the car.
Lo and behold! She had a wonderful journey without any problem of
vomiting!
I listened to Ed's superb number...."Every time you say how it is,
that's the way it's going to be for you!" on personal mp3 player at
least 6-7 times that day!
As Earl Nightingale says..."Whatever we plant in our subconscious mind
and nourish with repetition and emotion will one day become a reality."
Thanks Ed for
having a profound positive impact on so many people! |
Thank you for sharing your process.
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Sunday,
October 4, 2009
TSP
Question on Exponential Average
Hi Ed,
Thanks for all the information on your web site!
I am trying to reproduce the results for the 15/150 and 85/325
Exponential Average Systems. I have succeeded apart from the bliss
results. I am getting the wrong bliss as I am getting the incorrect draw
down value.
According to
the formula, PDD = Retracement / Peak where Retracement = Peak -
Subsequent Low.
I am using the
equity at the end of a completed trade only. Is that the correct value
to use? Or should I be using the more dynamic equity, based on the
closing price at the end of each day, whilst a trade is in progress?
For the 15/150
system my PDD is from the peak of 23/09/1986 of 1634550.0 to the
21/11/1988 low of 994206.25. This gives a PDD of 0.3918 instead of the
answer that you give: 0.6090. Can you tell me where I am going wrong?
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The systems in TSP figure the
metrics at the close of every day. |
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Saturday,
October 3, 2009
Wants
Differential Diagnosis of Medication
Hi Ed,
I spend a lot of time and energy medicating my feelings. What is the
difference in medicating my feelings with working out or meditating,
which gives me a positive boost to my body / brain / endorphins, or
other positive “medications” vs. overeating, overspending (shopping),
etc?
Are the
positive “medications” actually a doorway into experiencing my true
feelings or a stepping stone to right livelihood? |
The test for medicinal behavior in
the TTP sense is not substance-specific.
The test is whether engaging the
substance (or drama) moves you closer to - or further away from - Right
Livelihood. |
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Saturday,
October 3, 2009
The Other
Fred
Ed,
A different Fred has this to say about the Causal Model, and its
relation to Fear:
"To trace something unknown back to something known is alleviating,
soothing, gratifying and gives moreover a feeling of power. Danger,
disquiet, anxiety attend the unknown - the first instinct is to
eliminate these distressing states. First principle: any explanation is
better than none... The cause-creating drive is thus conditioned and
excited by the feeling of fear ..." Friedrich Nietzsche
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Thank you for your report on Fred N. |
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Friday,
October 2, 2009
Wanting to
Want
Ed,
Do you really
believe everybody gets everything they want? I am afraid I don't have
"everything" I want... Do you? |
You might be wanting (and getting)
the feeling of wanting.

People Who Play for Sympathy
try to win
by pretending they don't have
what they want.
Clip:
http://www.themadmusicarchive.com/
display_avatar.aspx?ImageID=2142 |
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Friday, October 2, 2009
20 Million Ears
Dear Ed,
It's a pleasure to speak to you. 20 million ears hear my band play
yesterday morning on live radio, pretty cool!
http://www.therollingbones.com/Bones-on-
Imus-In-The-Morning-2009-10-01.mp3 |
Thank you for sharing your process.
Hmmm... 20 million ears indicates 10
million heads and, well, 2.06 billion bones.
I notice
you are
still rocking with your forms at:
http://www.rollingbones.org/
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Friday, October 2, 2009
Seeking Members
Hello Mr. Seykota,
I recently purchased your book and came to the important realization
that if I was going to succeed in trading, I would have to confront my
discomfort with regards to being wrong. I have explored the possibility
of the Do It Myself, but per your expertise, DIM is not nearly as
effective.
Although I had previously contacted the [Name], they were not responsive
in their email. I have decided to start a Detroit Trading Tribe in
efforts to recruit members in the area for a local tribe.
I have enclosed a TTID in hopes that other people from any walks of life
would be interested in forming a trading tribe.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge and wisdom. I appreciate your
generosity. |

WELCOME
Detroit! |
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Thursday, October 1, 2009
Ed,
Since my childhood I usually hear "après l'effort, le réconfort" that
means "after effort, comfort!". My parents, my teachers, my professors
(...) all have taught me that; and I accepted and integrated this
statement as a way of life.
Now, I think that this statement does not work in Right Livelihood. I
think that "the comfort is in the pleasure of the effort" isn't it?
"After effort, comfort!" matches with some of my friends' way of life.
They work with effort for 11 months without pleasure by dragging their
foot, and they spend 1 month of holiday per year to get moment of
comfort.
Thank you to teach us that only now exists. |
Thank you for sharing your process.
At the Zero Point, effort, comfort
and Right Livelihood merge. |
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Thursday, October 1, 2009
Mirror, Mirror on the Wall
Ed,
How do I get trading results like Ed?
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Like Ed, you get the trading results
you get.

Your Results, Like a Mirror
reflects your intentions.
This is the same for other traders,
and for Ed.
Clip:
http://www.sharebook.co.kr/disney/a/
%EB%B0%B1%EC%84%A4%EA%B3%B5%
EC%A3%BC.files/image004.jpg |
Back to the
future
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