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any kind of indication or recommendation to buy, sell, hold or stay out
of any
positions. |
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Questions
(Quotes from Ed in Red)
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Answers |
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Saturday,
November 29, 2008
Goatee Indicator
Dear Ed,
I hope you are well.
I thank you for your feed back on the last FAQ. I thank you for your
sharing, generosity and commitment.
During the month of November, I got back in little too early on the long
side and my drawdown was little more than usual.
During the drawdown, I notice myself rubbing my chin over
and over again. Then I notice that I do that every time I go through
drawdowns.
So I am suspecting that I am going through unnecessary
drawdowns to catch myself in situations where I am looking at the screen
and rubbing my chin. I usually grow a short goatee so I can intensify my
rubbing during drawdowns.
When the drawdowns become heavy, my rubbing escalates and
when draw down seems to be over my rubbing becomes lighter and finally
stops.
I feel I can cut down on unnecessary drawdowns if I can
find out the root feeling and change it to proactive.
I know you are very busy, however I ask for your support
and ask for for precious feedback. I thank you for your sharing and
commitment and hope you are spending wonderful holiday season in the
now! |
Thank you for sharing your process.
You might consider taking your
feelings about <rubbing your chin> to Tribe.
You might consider setting up a
regular rubbing budget for yourself, say 1/2 hour in the morning and 1/2
hour in the evening in which you can intentionally and purposefully
massage
your beard.

Women and Men With Clean Chins
who wish to follow along
with the exercise above
can use this handy prosthetic goatee.
Clip:
http://www.io.com/~sjohn/goatee.htm
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Friday,
November 28, 2008
Elliott Wave
Ed,
Do you have an opinion on R.N. Elliott’s wave-based analysis of the
stock market? |
The Elliott Wave is a non-definite
indicator that is mostly subject to interpretation.
As such, it is the ideal tool to
justify any trade as being "scientific" or "mathematical."

The Elliott Wave
Here, Elliott waves good-by to his money
and feels OK about it
since he can justify every trade
as following from
a "scientific" indicator.
Clip:
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm84/
keithzworld/Humour/ape_waving_hand_hg_clr.gif |
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Friday,
November 28, 2008
K-not in Stinginess
Sir,
yesterday, I discovered that I have a big k-not in stinginess.
I was in a fast food in [City]. After ordering my meal, the waitress
asked not at all discreetly "what I would want to drink?". Even though I
was not at all thirsty, I said hurriedly "one Coca-Cola please". I was
not all thirsty, and I would really be satisfied with a plain water.
Just a plain water.
I felt embarrassed when he asked "what I would want to drink?". I made
my belly contract and my eyes were looking on the right and left side by
looking at my neighbors who heard his question.
Then the waitress served the biggest glass of Coca (6€). I hardly drunk
the quarter of the glass. I even forgot to take the smallest one.
So, after thinking of this situation where I really feel ludicrous and
stupid after reflection, I understand that I have a negative judgment in
being stingy or skinflint. I understand better now why my account bank
was more often in the red than in the green when I was student.
Actually, I'm persuaded that it's bad to be stingy or skinflint. And not
ordering a drink means that I'm stingy and I should be ashamed of it. I
remember my friends laughing to me and saying "oh the big stingy man,
ahahah the big stingy man" when I did not order a drink in restaurant.
When I was child, my parents loved to repeat as well that it's bad to be
stingy.
I think that one of the positive intention of stinginess is to protect
my money or my asset, isn't it?
From now on I have to embrace more my feeling of stinginess. My
conscious mind must never forget stinginess positive intention by
simultaneously taking pleasure when I really want to take it...
Mr. Seykota said "people get what they want".
By buying this stupid glass of coca-cola I got what I want. What I want
is to "prove that I'm not a stingy man" event though I was not at all
thirsty.
Yours faithfully and 1000 times thank you for the TTP. |
Thank you for sharing your process.
Words like stingy, parsimonious,
penurious, miserly and frugal imply a comparison with someone
else who is more generous, perhaps even a power-shopper.
You might consider taking your
feelings about <attitudes about spending money> to Tribe.

If You Hold On To Your Money
too tightly
you might not be open
to receive more.
Clip:
http://bostonist.com/2005/11/21/
are_we_stingy.php |
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November 27,
2008
Wants to Invest
Ed,
With effort we saved ~$13K. Would you trade it for us? |
You might consider investing in your
own career. |
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Wednesday,
November 26, 2008
Under-
Over- and Critically Damped Oscillations
Hey Ed, I hope all is well. Here is a YouTube video of a physics lecture
about under, over and critically damped systems. Ed, your recent posts
and this video sparks some interesting ideas in my head regarding new
purge methods of my equities trend following systems. Thanks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxBxZ9ASLq8
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I find the differential calculus is
rather obscure and tedious - and interferes with developing a gut
understanding of the dynamics.
Professor Lewin admits he has to
leave out the v2 term in order to solve the equation.
I prefer staying in the now, using
numerical methods to plot amplitude vs. time. |
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Wednesday,
November 26, 2008
Positive and
Negative Emotions
Ed,
In working toward my intention of "I Develop and Trade Winning Systems",
I
find that much of the process entails dealing with the "organic part" of
the
system -- me and my emotions.
I'm discovering numerous resources that are moving me toward clarity.
Here's
an article about positive and negative emotions that seems in alignment
with
TTP:
http://www.worldtrans.org/TP/TP2/TP2A-35.HTML
I realize the real work and benefit of TTP is in fully experiencing
emotions
and not just reading or thinking about it. In addition to practicing TTP
in
our local tribe, I practice TTP with my wife. I notice the additional
benefit of TTP that results: connecting meaningfully with others.
I thank you for all you share. :-) |
In TTP we hold that all
feelings have positive intentions and that labeling some of them
as
negative tends to interfere with the process of experiencing them and
extracting their value.
Fractionators who divide feelings into good and bad tend to put fear and
anger in the bad category and love and peacefulness in the good
category.
Such people may show reticence to
experience and / or express fear and anger and tend may have problems managing boundaries and risk. |
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September 26 2008
re: The Piece of Pie,
Tuesday, November 25, 2008
85 bn in 200 mln people is 425 dollars per person not 425,000 dollars
per person, but hey who is counting??
Maybe we should spend the money on math education - oh wait we already have!!
Or maybe the writer was using metric billions which is I think 1 million
millions as opposed to 1 thousand millions.
All the best.
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When government gets fully
into the business of printing money, the difference between 425 and
425,000 can be a few months or even much less. |
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Tuesday,
November 25, 2008
Market
Description
Hey Ed,
This describes the market better than any news I could
find. This is the link where I found the photo.

Clip:
http://www.authorstream.com/Content/
Octavio-11464-Funny-images-music-
Entertainment-ppt-powerpoint-118_88.jpg
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I wonder how long the bull is
stable in this configuration. |
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Monday,
November 24, 2008
Stress-Free Thanksgiving Dinner
Ed,
 |
More evidence we are living in the
age of medication. |
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Monday,
November 24, 2008
Whipsaw Song Video Just ROCKSSS!!!
Hi Ed,
I saw the Whipsaw song Video, its awesome. You look
great. I
like the video so much, that before starting my Trading Day, I see the
video regularly and gives me a great feeling. Following my Trading
System rules is no more a forced discipline for me since I am now
willing to follow it without any doubt. Thanks for the releasing the
video. Keep releasing such videos.
Regards, |
Thank you for your support. |
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Sunday,
November 23, 2008
Attitude Change
Back in 1929 Financial Crash it was said that some Wall Street
Stockbrokers and Bankers jumped from their office windows and committed
suicide when confronted with the news of their firms and clients financial
ruin.
Many people were said to almost feel a little sorry for them.
In 2008 the attitude has changed somewhat:

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Part of the function of
economic downturns is to restore compassion,
community and humility - and to support people in migrating to more
profitable enterprise.
It looks like we might have a way to go. |
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Sunday,
November 23, 2008
Cover Indicator
I see a lot of suffering on this cover. It makes me have some reserves
about opening new short positions.

Maybe you can mention some other magazines whose cover, in your opinion,
is
worth checking. |
I do not see much evidence of
terror or despair. I see a man heading toward money and toward the
light. |
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Sunday,
November 23, 2008
Wants to
Join The Trading Tribe
Hi Ed,
I am very eager to join the Trading Tribe community.
I had sent the mail below to the tribe leader who resides in [City]
(since this region is in my vicinity), but I did not get any response.
Could you please help me out in the joining process, as I am desperate
in being a Trading Tribe Member.
Thanks in anticipation.
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See the Tribe Directory Link for
instructions. |
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Saturday,
November 22, 2008
In The Pool Business
Thank You
Dear Mr. Seykota,
I just received your 'Trading Essentials' card and a $2-bill in the mail
today. I want to thank you for your kindness - both will hopefully prove
to be good luck charms as I continue my trading!
After interning on Wall Street last summer (and hating it), I started a
trend-following commodity pool 4 months ago upon graduating from
[Name] College. Yes it's small and the participants in the pool are
mostly buddies from college, but I am having the time of my life and
couldn't be happier. Thank you for helping me find what I love. As you
say, 'Everyone gets what they want from markets.'
Regards, |
Thank you for sharing your
process. |
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Friday,
November 21, 2008
Parable of the
Cracked Pot - Video
Pot |
OK. |
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Friday,
November 21, 2008
Magazine Cover
Ed,
I'm a member of the [City] trading tribe and have attended 3 meetings so
far. I think TTP is fascinating, I can feel changes going on inside of
me. I can't judge yet if these changes are good or bad, because since
the most recent tribe meeting it feels like small turbulences are going
on inside of me. it almost feels like losing my composure very slowly.
I'm curious where this is going.
I included a cover for you because my chief told me about this indicator
based on magazine covers. it's from a magazine for university students
here in [Country]. the translation of the title is: "get OUT of the
crisis. this is how you get started in spite of turbulences." it seems
like crisis isn't over yet.

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I see a man with a smile. |
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Thursday,
November 20, 2008
Wants to Find a Woman
Hi Ed,
Thanks for calling. I appreciate your advice, and I wrote a profile.
I had a very hard time initially to describe myself, and to be specific
about what kind of woman I would like to meet. Thank you for offering to
take a look at it.
Please let me know what you think.
I wish I had been able to tell you more about me, and why I want to join
the tribe. I was caught off guard, surprised by the call, and I could
not collect my thoughts then.
From what I have read about you I am very
impressed, and I respect you a lot so maybe I was intimidated at the
moment.
I am not a 100% sure what you implied when you asked me about various
skills if I have and if I am unhappy because not having them.
If you
suggested I should have given up trading: that will not happen.
I am very enthusiastic about it, and I have never found anything that
would interest me so intensely, and that persistently. I am just
fascinated by it more and more. I would love to find a mentor, someone
who is truly successful in it (not the crazy way like Jessie Livermore
who made fortunes but went bust more then once, and then killed himself,
but someone who has the risk controlled as well, and have a healthy full
life)
I will not give up the plan to join your tribe; I will wait for the
workshop if that is the way for me to get in.
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You might consider taking
your feelings about <wanting a woman> to Tribe.
You might also consider editing your personal ad to emphasize the parts
of it that talk about ways you like to connect emotionally with your
woman and about how you dedicate your skills to serving others. |
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Thursday,
November 20, 2008
Wants Help
Mr. Seykota Sir,
Its a great privilege for me to write you. I have a
question about reward/risk ratio, I asked a few traders but am not sure
I have the correct answer. I'd be eternally indebted to you if you could
give me your opinion on this as I do realize you are a very busy man. My
question is: "The trading strategy which I'm very comfortable with has a
very high percentage of wins, easily above 85% of the trades are wins.
I do have losses but they are few and far in between.
The thing that troubles me is the reward to risk ratio is less than one
its about 0.65 well the expectancy still works out positive but the
risk/reward thing troubles me a bit as everywhere else I see most
people's trade systems were losses are small and the reward to risk
ratio is well above 1 most times its like 3.
When I try to increase my ratio to 1 which I can, I get stopped out more
often and the win to loss ratio drops. The trouble is I'm not
psychologically comfy with a lower hit rate even if the reward to risk
is well above 2 or 3. I prefer wider stops. Having a higher win rate
sorta gives me a kind of mental satisfaction that I'm "right" in the
market, so to speak.
I know being right is not important and there is
Soros's very old adage which says its not important how often you're
right or wrong but what is important is how much you make when you're
right and how little you loose when you're wrong - but it is to
me.
My question is will this style be viable in the long run as its against
conventional wisdom and even goes against old maxims like let your
winners run and cut your losses short.
Thank you very much. |
You can answer your own
questions about systems by conducting back-tests.
If you are not exactly following a system, you are likely
including additional elements to medicate your feelings about Trend
Trading.
You might consider taking your feelings about <Trend Trading> to Tribe. |
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November 20,
2008
200 Year-Old Prediction About Banking
Ed,

Thomas Jefferson
I believe that banking institutions are
more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.
If the
American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of
their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and
corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the
people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the
continent their fathers conquered.
-
Thomas Jefferson
1802 |
History is likely to prove
Jefferson correct.
Some of Jefferson's followers are
starting to notice the hard part in his system lies in riding it out for the first 200 years. |
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Thursday,
November 20, 2008
Geneva Tribe
Ed,
Here is our TTID for Geneva. |

Welcome
Geneva
Switzerland ! |
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November 19,
2008
Hitler in Debt - Video
An
interesting presentation of a serious current problem
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNmcf4Y3lGM
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OK. |
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Tuesday,
November 18, 2008
Moving On to Silicon
Hi Ed !
as you know from our recent phone conversations, I now live in the
valley of the silly cons. therefore please delete my former Tribe
reference from the directory.
I can join a tribe here, or create a new one.
An options trader wrote to me recently and told me how
much you helped him trading.
You are the most amazing person.
Hope all is well in your world. |
Thank you for the
encouragement.
Congratulations on your move. |
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Monday,
November 17, 2008
Understanding the Wife
Ed,
I understand. She can never give me what I need. We have to go separated
ways. I feel sadness, nausea, and tiredness. I develop a feeling of
compassion for guys in the same situation, which I used to consider
failures, and maybe are more fulfilled than I am. I feel immense love
for my wonderful, beautiful children and want to support them, because
it can be hard for all of us.
It is not nice, and it is the right thing to do.
Curiously, I don't want my friends to comfort me, but I expect my Tribe
to help me learn from these feelings.
And I have been doing TTP for less than 3 months.
I need a lot of courage for this trip.
Yours, |
You might consider taking your
feelings about <she can never give me what I need> to Tribe.
When you experience the positive
intention of that feeling, your relationship with your wife may become
much more intimate.

Getting an Understanding

Clips:
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/
x304/tpc0470/understanding.jpg
http://www.rd.com/living-healthy/the-ultimate-
sex-guide-for-newlyweds/article31633.html
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Sunday,
November 16, 2008
Thank You
Ed,
Thank you, thank you, thank you, for teaching me trend following.
I'm
meeting last week with elderly couple, their account with me up +6% for
the year. Their other accounts down -40. |
OK. |
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Sunday,
November 16, 2008
Question on Support and Resistance System
Ed,
I am working on your Support and Resistance system and cannot understand
the first your trade. I have read readers feedback and still cannot
understand.
By looking at your Metrics I can see that first day when the 20-day
support (739.10) was broken was 75-02-11, which was Tuesday, with value
of 738.20. You order price is (738.2+739.1)=738.65. But on 75-02-13,
Thursday, it never would be hit. How this trade can be possible? And
Wednesday data is also missing.
One of your answer to somebody on FAQ was that you decided on 75-02-10
go short on 75-02-11 with a sell stop at 739.1, but there was not any
signal on that day to go short for a next day, or I am missing
something?
Any clarification would be greatly appreciated. |
You might consider taking
your feelings about <math> to Tribe. |
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Sunday,
November 16, 2008
Wants to Join a Tribe
Hello Ed:
I am a new trader. I'll be a year old in trading on November 19th. I
read about you in Market Wizards and recently watched your whipsaw
song, when caused me to seek out your website. What a resource. I
have been on a path to living fully by living consciously and I am
very interested in joining the Tribe.
I live in the [City, State] area. Is there a community in this
area I could join? What do I need to do to connect with a Tribe.
I hope you are having a great weekend. I look forward to hearing from
you soon. |
See the Directory link, above
for instructions. |
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Sunday,
November 16, 2008
Celebration of Autumn - Video
Autumn.pps
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Very nice.
The official government response to
Autumn is to declare it a crisis and then to authorize billions to form
an agency to try
to stick the leaves back up on the trees.

This Enthusiastic Member
of the President's Commission
on Restoring Our Trees to Springtime (ROTS)
practices hoisting a leaf from the ground
in preparation to re-attach it
to an appropriate branch.
Clip:
http://www.dec.ny.gov/pubs/24053.html |
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Sunday,
November 16, 2008
Forrest Gump
on Mortgage Backed Securities
Ed,
Here's the skivvy according to Gump.

Mortgage Backed Securities are like boxes of chocolates.
Criminals on Wall Street stole a few chocolates from the boxes and
replaced them with turds.
Their criminal buddies at Standard & Poor rated these boxes AAA
Investment Grade chocolates.
These boxes were then sold all over the world to investors.
Eventually somebody bites into a turd and discovers the crime.
Suddenly nobody trusts American chocolates anymore worldwide.
Hank Paulson now wants the American taxpayers to buy up and hold all
these boxes of turd-infested chocolates for $700 billion dollars until
the market for turds returns to normal.
Meanwhile, Hank's buddies, the Wall Street criminals who stole all the
good chocolates, are not being investigated, arrested, or indicted.
Mama always said: "Sniff the chocolates first, Forrest". |
Sometimes your nose knows. |
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Saturday,
November 15, 2008
Unwillingness
to Experience Sadness
can be
Expensive
Ed,
I wish to report a Hotseat with several ed-ucative issues.
Somebody steals my bike. I look three days for the positive intention of
losing a bike, and cannot find any. As I tell my wife that I am really
angry
about spending 200 EUR for a new bike, I stomp heavily with my right
leg.
WAIT! This is a form! I also remember stomping heavily with the same leg
in
February, as I loss money in the market. And for some weeks I have an
dull
ache in my right knee. I see that I use losing money to medicate
something.
But what?
The Hotseat: A week later, two members of my Tribe help me. (A) has an
issue
with "I am worthless and cannot do it" and is an excellent receiver. (B)
is inexperienced and still did not manage a process.
I show a very intense
form, stomping with the leg, moving the arms, and making a loud "grrrrr"
sound. I try several times to reach the feeling behind the form, but it
does
not work. I see myself as a child, stealing some money from my
grandmother,
and my father judging me severely.
I understand the situation, but have
no
aha. I still feel that there is more hiding, but I do not find the right
access to the feeling. Then, we work on the form "I do not find the
right
access to the feeling" (lying on the coach and rubbing my ear) until I
enjoy
it.
Then, I see that I can access the other feeling. I try again, with
enormous physical effort, but it still does not work. Somehow, I feel
irritated by (B). Then, I suggest (A) to manage the process. I tell her
"I
do not plan to support your $&%$(/& drama of being worthless and not
being
able to do things".
To be consistent in my support, I am obliged to
reach
the feeling and hence enable her to finish the process successfully. She
agrees to be the manager and we start again. I still find it difficult
to
reach the feeling and ask (A) if she is really committed to support me.
She
says yes, but I feel some uncertainty in her and repeat the question.
This
time, I feel her certainty and know that she definitely supports me in
my
effort.
This time, I reach the feeling and experience a real explosion
of
anger. I lie on the floor, going into wild contortions and yelling
bloody
hell. I remember my father working until very late, earning a lot of
money
and not being at home with me as I am 3 or 4 years old. I am exhausted,
but
still do not understand the positive intention of losing money. No aha.
During the checkout, (A) reports thinking "I don't know if it is going
to
work" during the process, and being speechless as I say, spontaneously
"I do
not plan to support your $&%$(/& drama of being worthless and not being
able
to do things". (B) reports being distracted and not concentrated on
supporting me. He is also surprised as I say him that I do not feel well
supported and I prefer (A) to manage the process.
This reproduces his
feelings. During the checkout, I feel confused and still do not
understand
the experience. I felt the gigantic release of tension and anger. I see
that
it makes no sense to lose a bike. Furthermore, I do not have to lose in
the
market. I just loss money if I abandon my system; it is robust and, if I
follow it, I know what drawdown to expect, and that this is just part of
the
game. I also experience a majestic catharsis during the Hotseat. But I
remember you mentioning that "in TTP, catharsis is optional". Hmmm...
The next morning, as I wake up, I feel very sad and wounded. I could
cry. I
tell my wife that I need her love and support. My wife is annoyed. She
says
"I do not understand what is happening with you, you act strange."
I
feel
more sadness, but she is not willing to help me. She leaves the room.
She
does not understand my emotional needs. And then - AHA! By losing money
and
feeling really angry, I cover the sadness which I experience if people do
not
understand me and do not respect my emotional needs. I can waste money
like
a drunken sailor, but people still do not understand my emotional needs.
It
is not an effective response, and it is expensive.
I am confused. Sometimes, my wife does not understand my emotional
needs.
But what should I do? The problem with TTP is that it works, and hence
you
have to make decisions about your life. I search for the solution for
some
minutes. I love my wife.
Maybe her reaction is absolutely normal and
nobody
can always fulfill all my emotional needs. Do I have unrealistic
expectations? Should I discuss the problem with her? Should I accept
that
she cannot understand some of my emotional needs? Should I look for
another
woman? I search, and search, and finally find it: If my wife cannot, in
my
Tribe there are 8 people who commit to accept my feelings and my
emotions.
I
feel completely released from sadness. I feel good. Sadness is a
wonderful
feeling which shows me that people do not understand my emotional needs.
When I realize it, I can look for a proactive solution for the problem,
instead of medicating it with anger.
I thank my wife for not understanding my needs in the morning: this
leads to
a gigantic insight.
Thank you for sharing TTP with us.
Yours, |
Thank you for sharing your
process. You raise some
interesting issues.
In TTP we focus less on the positive intentions of losing the bike than
on on the positive intentions of the feelings of losing the bike.
If you start to address your own issues about <nobody loves me> you are
likely to entrain some transient supporting drama with your wife.
In TTP we try to notice this and avoid engaging the wife in a drama in
which she must learn how to medicate your feeling.
Your approach, thanking your wife for exciting your
form, and then
taking the work to Tribe seems most effective.
A husband-wife relationship generally meets very specific needs for both
people.
If you try to impose an additional on-going requirement for your partner to shift
into process manager mode on a moment's notice you are likely to
destabilize the relationship.
TTP Tribes meet with the express purpose of conducting the process.
Personal relationships between Tribe members outside the Tribe meeting
may conflict with executing the TTP processes.
People who practice TTP for a while tend to integrate their
learnings into
their personalities and develop automatically effective ways of relating
to others that do not invoke formal TTP process.

In Relationships
TTP manifests in the smile.
Clip:
http://newark1.com/2008/04/
design-with-smile.html |
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Saturday,
November 15, 2008
Dealing With Extremes
Hi Ed,
I have just got back from a trip. It was amazing.
I have a question about the TTP:
Sometimes when we go into the forms they become so extreme that it seems
unhealthy. For example in one of the members forms he exhaled deeply and
kept pushing the air out of his lungs, being at the same time with his
head as a lowest point of his body and exhaling, exhaling. I
encourage him to go for it and do more. He continues to the point of
having enough and then takes a deep breath. Afterward, I realized that
if he had any kind of blood vessel problem, this might have resulted in
a hemorrhage, maybe a stroke. In this position the blood pressure in the
skull is way greater than average.
What would you do in a situation like this? Encourage him to do more or
stop him? I am talking about situations when a process manager is
concerned with the health of the hot seat participant. Do you believe
the body will stop when it senses danger or will continue and destroy
itself? Some changes maybe irreversible and counting on negative
feedback in the body may not work.
The extreme situation may be one when the hot seat says: " I want to
commit a suicide" . Encouragement, in this case, may prove to be an
unlucky response.
I think your response may be to take this hesitation to the process
myself.
So far it seems obvious that I would stop somebody if I am sure they may
damage themselves irreversibly, but I am not sure where to draw the line
and no amount of back testing can tell me when the given person is going
to injure themselves.
I appreciate your thoughts on the matter.
Thank you |
In TTP we encourage the
Sender to go as far as he pleases. We do this by noticing where he is
going and acknowledging him. We do not push him where we think he
"should" go.
You might consider taking your feelings about <hurting others> to the
Hotseat.

A Critical Difference
Between Assisting and Torturing
is frequent testing for
and respect for
willingness
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http://static.flickr.com/92/
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November 12,
2008
Hot Seat Experience - Doing It Right
Hello Ed,
At our last tribe meeting, I take my feelings of "wanting to manage
correctly" to the hot seat. The receivers apply the Field of
Acknowledgment
and I work through talking about the situation. As I begin to get into
it, I
recall being scolded as a child by parents and teachers about doing
things
wrong, I hear in my head, "do it right", "don't be an idiot", "do the
right
thing", "that's not right, no, how can you be so stupid!"
I feel wrong
and
rejected. I locate the feeling in my chest and get into a form in my
chair
hunched over, tightened up, eyes closed, face cringing, gritting my
teeth
and tears come. My hands are across my chest, squeezing tight. I begin
to
feel the feeling deep in my chest, intensely. At first, I don't like it,
I say through gritted teeth, "I don't like this, I f--king hate this
feeling."
I scream and swear and cry. I kneel on the floor in a ball, head down,
hands
in my face. I really get into the feeling as I hear the receivers
encouragement. My eyes are closed, squeezed tight and I just hear them
around me.
I want to fully experience it, so I keep going with it. It feels tight
deep
in my chest and I keep my hands on my chest digging my fingers tips into
my
sternum and squeezing my chest. The feeling seems to be right under my
sternum and extends up to both collar bones and shoulders.
I crank it up
and
let it intensify. The encouragement from the receivers persists and I
keep
at it. I start to get in tune with the feeling, notice it, experience
it,
it seems new, as if I've never truly felt it or really noticed it
before.
I
let it connect to my CM. I begin to accept it, and my CM begins to
acknowledge it. I stay into it and focus totally on this feeling, CM is
getting a handle on it all. I breathe deeply and fully, I accept it, I
accept it. I sit back in my chair, with eyes closed and hands still on
my
chest. I say "I feel it right in here, Ok, yes, um-hmm." I feel it
intensely. I start to feel comfortable with it, that it's OK, that it
really
seems to be friendly, and not so terrible.
It seems as though it's the
first time I truly connect with it consciously. When I realize this, I
get a
big smile and feel a release of tension. I continue to feel it and think
to
myself "aha, I get, um-hmm, OK", I shake my head slowly "yes, yes" and
rock
slightly in my chair. I breathe deeply and take it all in. The receivers
encourage me to keep rocking. After a while of this, I get relaxed and
open
my eyes. I feel deep peace inside and serenity. My eyes are still wet,
yet I
have a big smile and look around. Someone asks "what is your view now
about
the situation?", I say "I'm OK with it. I see that not everyone will
like
what I do or say in every situation, and it's OK to make mistakes and
not
always 'do it just right' - I'm only human and they're only human - it's
part of life." I get a big smile.
It's been several weeks since the hot seat and I notice the feeling of
rejection and imperfection occasionally. When I feel it now, I simply
accept
it, experience it, and it tends to just pass. It helps me to go ahead
and do
my best at whatever I'm doing and then just accept it. |
Thank you for sharing your
process and for your example of effective Tribe work. |
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Tuesday,
November 11, 2008
The Testing
Work
Ed and
Friends,
All your
valuable help has finally paid off - big time... as I have now "finally"
discovered how to make the right adjustments in my commodities system,
so that it will also properly trade (long only) stock index futures.
After over 20
years of working on a stock system I can't thank you enough for your
many subtle but important insights, that helped cause the light to go on
recently for me etc.
Thanks again.
Attached, find a 26 year back-test result. Next is real-time testing,
trading the S&Ps (if we can ever get an uptrend...) |
OK. |
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Tuesday,
November 11, 2008
Dealing with Grief
Hi
Ed,
I read your book The Trading Tribe a few months ago and found the book
to be very insightful and useful in the moment of now as my life was
recently thrust into turmoil by circumstances beyond my doings and thus I
had little choice but to accept and deal with all the feeling and
emotions as they arose and your book was helpful in guiding me to accept
the feelings rather than block them or deny them as is the natural
tendency (for men anyway).
Due to the extreme violence of the crime that
was committed I had a wide range of emotions over time. I seemed to be
in disbelief for the first week and then I went into a deep sadness for
a month and now it’s a combination of sadness and acceptance and I’m now
left wondering if I will ever feel anger towards the perpetrator as I
have not experienced any feelings of anger as yet.
I have read all the
Beck and Ellis stuff about thought and feelings but it was your book
that proved to be the most useful once thrown into the affray. I
accepted all of the feelings as they arose (without judgment) and tried
to look for the positive intentions of those feelings. The positive
intention for grief and loss when a loved one if taken is the wonderful
love and connectedness you once shared with them.
Thanks Ed |
Thank you for sharing your
process. |
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Tuesday,
November 11, 2008
Working on Trading
Ed,
I've received the 3 "The Essential Cards" and place them where I can
read them every day. You surprise me those 2 dollar bills! I will keep
them as something special. Thank you so much!
I read your book -- what a AHA! Listen to your song. This could be the
greatest personal growth step ahead by following your teaching. I am
reading your TT site as the next step.
It appears to me that what [Therapist] describes as personal issues are
what you call k-nots. He runs a business of helping people identify and
overcome the personal issues. You guide people to identify and untie
k-nots through Trading Tribes.
May I introduce myself? I have an post-graduate engineering background.
I love trading and I am working on my trading. I am proficient in programming. I am looking around to see which trader that I
may be able to model. You are one of exceptional few who share the
insight and are willing to teach. That is how to find your TT site.
I am almost there in my trading. I just need to untie some k-nots that
stand between me and continuing to work on trading. Hope to meet you one day!
Thank you, Ed! |
I wonder what you feel is the
difference between working on trading - and trading. |
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Sunday, November 9, 2008
The Daffodil Principle - Video
Ed,
I like this video about making a difference, one bulb at
a time.
video |
Nice story.
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Sunday,
November 9, 2008
Programmer Goes Ballistic
Ed,
Once upon a time you inspired me to learn some programming.
I'm now totally out of control. I'm now on the
speaker's list at a computer conference. |
Good job ! |
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Saturday,
November 8, 2008
Our Tribe Rocks
Ed,
Yesterday, during a tremendous Hotseat lasting for almost 4 hours, we
apply
an improvised, degenerated, bad and I hope effective version of the
Rocks
process. Maybe you want to remember that I have never seen it in action
and
I am using the information from the FAQ. I appreciate comments,
corrections
and suggestions about this, our version of the a Rock process.
Hotseat comes from a dysfunctional family, she remembers having a
dominant,
violent father and a passive, submissive mother. Both tell her that did
not
want her and wanted to abort her. She has been in psychotherapy for some
2
years without success. She has been several times on the hot seat and
reports substantial advances in several areas.
This time her issue is "I
do
not get the job that I want". While exploring her feelings she develops
several forms related to "I have to decide alone" (heat in her stomach),
"people leave me" (ducking position, rubbing hands), "money and career
are
bad" (head and back pain, pressure on stomach), "I decide to do it the
hard
way" (a black, sad, hard, heavy ball in her abdomen), "people handle me
like
a marionette" (head pain).
We work on each form and complete it, but each
time
a new issue appears. She reports intense head and neck pain.
When a member reports experiencing pain, I prefer not to make it more
intense. I do not want to torture people. Instead, I provide a
suggestion
("make the pain clearer").
If the pain has some attribute (hard, cold,
shape), I suggest hotseat to make it colder or harder. I observe that it
works. In this case, I suggest her to feel a growing pressure on her
head,
neck and back, and to tense the muscles to resist the pressure. This
reproduces the pain sensation.
Then, I do not suggest her to increase
the
pain, but I say that I increase the pressure, to break her resistance.
She
contracts the muscles some more and experiences more discomfort. She
realizes that a new job, with more chances and responsibility, provides
her
more chances to be used by people. The pain resolves almost completely.
We
then suggest her to think about making a carrier and earning loads of
money,
and the pain reappears, with additional stomach pain.
We work on each pain again. Her father considers her a failure. I ask
her to
search for the feeling and irritate her by repeating "your father thinks
that you are a failure; your father sustains that you do not deserve
success; I am your father and I decide that you won't have success" and
so
on. I am careful not to suggest her what she is, but to make clear that
it
is her father's opinion. She completes the form and understands the
issue,
but does not want to tell us about it. Pain resolves again.
But each time, when we suggest her to consider career and money, the
pain
reappears. I decide to suggest her to experience all pains together, and
feel really bad. As she confirm feeling really bad, I ask
her
to search a situation when she feels so bad. She remembers an
episode
in her childhood.
Her father is there and she feels insecure. I ask her
if
somebody in her family shows insecurity related to her father. Yes, her
mother does. We do not have rocks or time to squeeze her feelings in it.
Hence, I ask her to look for an object who relates to her feeling of
uncertainty. She imagines an old blanket, wet, musty and smelly.
I tell
her
that this is a gift from somebody, and that her mother just passes it to
her. She decides to give the gift (the rock) back to her mother, she can
do
with it whatever she wants. As I say that, I feel myself a pour of
emotion
and start crying.
She reports that she needs us to do it, she cannot do it
alone. Well, we are there. She returns the four-letter-blanket and feels
released from tension. I ask her to imagine a new gift for Little
Hotseat.
She imagines a flower basket. I ask her to include
resources in it, and
to
decide carefully, because these resources will accompany Little Hotseat
her
whole life. I also ask Tribe members for suggestions. Hotseat decides to
give Little Hotseat valor, certainty, and the ability to evaluate her
possibilities realistically and to act accordingly.
(Later, a member observes that we are not providing her with resources,
but
with labeled feelings. I accept it and see the problem).
I then ask Hotseat to return to the situation with her new resources
and to
tell me if it works. It does, she realizes that her father is wrong. I
ask
her to return to similar situations in her past and to see how the
resources work (I do not ask her "if", since they will work somehow).
We
find three situations, in each Young Hotseat observes that it works and
that the other people are just wrong. We check out.
Since I have no experience with hypnosis, NLP or transactional analysis,
I
do not use role playing or some elements of the Rock Process. I hope
that it
works.
Ed, people are literally stopping me on the hospital floor and
spontaneously
telling me about their emotional problems related to work or disease. I
mention Tribe, and they want to read your book. Maybe I have a neon
light
on my forehead, reading TTP?
Last point: Maybe you remember our phone conversation, as I asked you if
you
accept new clients. I also sent you two emails and a letter. Maybe you
can
tell me if you can consider me and my wife as clients, of if you don't,
or
if you need more information. I accept any answer and also accept you
not
answering, but I as long as I don't know, I face the practical problem
of
investing the money elsewhere or not.
Thank you for sharing TTP!
Yours, |
Thank you for sharing your
process.
Holding your intention for the process to work is likely more important than
mastering the "right way" to do it.
I, too, use the technique of objectifying the "pain" into its
constituent sensual properties as a way to assist Hotseat to experience it.
I also encourage Hotseat to "try it again - this this time with the
notion that you enjoy it."
I know many ways to implement resources. I like the ones that
include practicing the resource through role playing - especially during
a a re-play of some critical drama that invigorates the associating form.
The ritual of giving the rock back to the donor is important in
registering boundaries as automatic muscle memories.

the Act of Berating Children
is typically hereditary
Clip:
http://images.webster-dictionary.org/
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Wednesday,
November 5, 2008
Sucking In
Dear Ed:
Thank you for your
continuous support. Since the workshop I am making significant
improvement. I doubled my asset base despite weak economic conditions.
I
have completed one conservative winning system. Recently I have
completed winning system based on trading equity. It was working great
for few weeks however since last Friday some drama happened and I got
sucked in and just couldn't follow the system.
I could not believe it
but I did not follow the system. I had pay a huge penalty for not
following the system today. This may be because we are conducting tribe
meeting this weekend and Fred is creating drama to let me know what I
need to work on.
My mother all the sudden called me this morning and
left me a message. When I heard the message I knew something bad was
going to happen. I made a decision not to answer the phone if she called
again, yet miraculously she called multiple times. Finally I answer the
call and I manage to avoid drama. Then she called again and I had to
blow up on her.
She is sucking me in to situation where I am forced to
somehow get in touch with my older brother and start talking again. What
even makes me more mad is that she is involving money in to this mess. I
made clear to her that I did not want nothing to do with my brother's
life anymore and I did not appreciate she trying to manipulate her way
in to this.
My brother and I are not communicating for couple of years.
My brother got married and got almost divorced and now he is back with
his wife with adopted son because they can't have children biologically.
When they adopted their son, I was never told of their home number and
my brother instructed me to only call his cell phone. He never sent me
his adopted son's picture or not even let me hear his voice. After
freaking out to my Mom this morning. I was extremely exhausted. I just
did not have anything in me. I realized I have tremendous Anger toward
my brother.
Obviously going back I recall two incidents during
childhood. My relationship with my parents are fine. I am going back to
see my parents first time in years this winter. I notice that my anger
toward my brother is something I have never imagined. I don't know what
else to do but to do the rock process on two early child hood incident
involving my brother.
I do not wish to meet with my brother again or
interested in engaging in relationship. In the end, he is always afraid
of me and cannot stand me so he does beyond imaginative thing to let me
know his evilness. I feel sad. Tears are coming out of me as I write this.
We were good friend one time for very short period of time. I think I
freaked out on my mom because somehow I feel that my Mom had lot to do
with my Brother's behavior towards me.
She expected so much for my older
brother and he build up so much fear so only way to conquer his fear was
to do nasty thing to me so I will go away. She would constantly create
situation so that me and my brother would compete for her recognition.
Her controlling and dominate nature is evident.
Thank you for reading my
email. I hope your legs are better now. I want to input a proactive rock
to follow the system. Do you have any insight. I appreciate your feed
back. I miss Incline Village too. If OK I like to attend upcoming tribe
meeting. Please let me know of the schedule.
Regards, |
Thank you for sharing your
process.
You might consider taking your feelings about <breasts> to Tribe.

To a Child
sucking is equivalent
to staying alive.
Clip:
http://www.mydochub.com/images/
breastfeed.jpg |
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Wednesday,
November 5, 2008
Wants
More Information on Rocks
Ed,
As I enter "signature rocks" in the site search function, I find the
document
2006_11_09_Tribe.doc
which clarifies the method and goals of the Rock process. However, I
cannot access this document from other links, and the “Rocks” link does
not lead to further documents.
Since it is a very illustrative text, I suggest you to make it more
findable (if this word exists), and to present similar documents for our
Ed-ucation.
Yours, |
I find the rocks process passes best
by observing actual Rocks Process sessions. |
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Wednesday,
November 5, 2008
Wants a
Workshop
Ed,
Hope all is well with you
I would be very interested in attending your next TTP workshop Could you
please provide the date of the next one
Thanks
|
OK. I post the Workshop
schedule on this site. |
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Tuesday,
November 4, 2008
Lack of
Commitment is a Periphrasis for Fear.
Two members of my Tribe stop attending regularly.
One of them
has excuses (invitations, holidays), the other reports feeling worse and
not seeing progress. I discuss the issue with each of them and inform
them that I accept any behavior without limitation, but that as long as
they do not clearly state that they leave the Tribe, I assume that they
just using excuses to avoid facing their feelings.
I support one
member who is uncertain about further attendance by prohibiting her to
attend meetings as long as she does not want to attend a meeting, and
prohibiting her to take the hot seat as long as she is not willing to
take it. This calms and helps her.
I also inform them that invitations, asking them for help to organize a
wedding party and so on, are just help via the Under-Fred Network to
avoid facing their hidden feelings.
One of the
members is very surprised by this insight, and realizes that it is true.
The member who "feels worse" in fact reports observing a complete
resolution of the issue who brought her to my Tribe (I hope I could
"feel worse" too).
She also
reports other people who play a substantial role in her drama changing
their behavior and supporting her in new constructive ways. After our
talk, both members commit to attend meetings regularly.
Members of my Tribe change, mature fast, start managing processes
brilliantly - and we have been meeting for less than 3 months. I still
do not know what I am doing, but it seems that I am doing it right.
My Tribe now includes a physician, a NLP graduate, and a psychologist. I
imagine co-operating with the IV tribe to develop the science of TTP.
For example, we could test hypotheses or new ideas from you.
I feel deeply moved, fascinated, challenged, sometimes frightened. I
imagine helping patients using TTP, but I cannot imagine doing TTP for
money (it would be like asking for money to share love).
But these are FAQ. I should ask something. Hmmm... Well, let's see: Ed,
how is the autumn in Incline Village? |
Thank you for sharing your
process and your insights.
You might consider taking
your feelings about <wanting to calm her down> to the hot seat.
Autumn / Winter in Incline is
a good time for a visit. The other good times are Summer and
Spring.

A preference for Calm Women ...

... over Fully Expressive Ones
may indicate less about the women
than about your own fears
and preferences.
Clips:
http://www.quizilla.com/user_images/M/MA/
MAR/Marie-Therese/1130965809_swaterquiz.JPG
http://www.slick.com/wildpics/7hillry.jpg
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Monday,
November 3, 2008
Magazine
Cover
Ed,
This, from
October 20 New Yorker.

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Yes. I see some subtle signs of
despair. |
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