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Note: The intention of inclusion of charts in FAQ is
to illustrate trading principles - The appearance of a chart does not imply
any kind of indication or recommendation to buy, sell, hold or stay out
of any
positions. |
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Questions
(Quotes from Ed in Red)
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Answers |
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Tue, 29 Jan
2008
Magazine Covers
Hey Ed,
I've just recently discovered this site, but I've read most of FAQs from
the beginning. It's great. My life is still a mess, but at least I see
it from a new perspective.
Anyway, I've seen you display magazine covers as an example of market
over-exuberance, but on wed, 3 Oct 2007 (Associate Program - Learning to
Trade Feelings About Short-Term Trading), the author seems to imply that
you use magazine / newspaper covers to lighten your position.
"On [date] I hear from Ed that Crude and Gold are now being talked
about on the front page of the WSJ and that his experience is that this
might make for a very choppy market."
Is Ed Seykota trying to predict the non-existing future? It's hard to
tell the exact dates from the chart that's depicted, but at the point of
the first circle, there was no way to tell that the trend was over. It
hadn't even broken any trend-line yet. In fact, I doubt any long term
trend following system would generate a sell signal at ANY point in that
chart. (maybe a 'lighten position' signal)
This implies to me that
you ARE using fundamental analysis and trying to outguess the market. Of
course, you were right about the choppiness, but about a week later oil
was breaking out again.
So my question is, was the 'lightening-up' based on fundamental or
technical indicators?
And, for the record, if Ed Seykota were to tell me that he was
lightening up on oil, trend or not, I would sell too. |
Thank you for sharing your insights.
You are correct. Trend followers do
not attempt to predict the markets in the sense of calling price
objectives or using limit orders to get in and out of positions.
Occasionally, I may take a
volatility vacation, during which I may reduce some positions and train
my focus on interests other than the market.
This refreshing practice is,
perhaps, an essential element in my maintaining a commitment to trading
trends since 1969 and still remaining occasionally sane.
Then again, it might be a form of
medication. I suppose I can take my feelings about <volatility> to
Tribe for another look.

Theoretical Volatility:
Close-to-Close Method

Theoretical Volatility:
Extreme Value Method

Theoretical Volatility:
Black-Scholes Method

Actual Volatility
Volatility attends
most of the profit
most of the risk
and
most of the wear on nerves.
Clips:
www.linnsoft.com/tour/volatility.htm
http://squidoptions.com/category/ranting/
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Mon, 28 Jan
2008
System
Ideas
Hi Ed!
I have always wondered about your system. I have
recently listened to an audio-book of Alexander Elder
which I like. He speaks about triple screen systems
which combines a long term trend following system and
a short term oscillator indicator. The longer term
shows the direction of the trade, and the short term
waits for pull-backs in the trend. After both
indicators are fulfilled, a entry order is entered
above (if long term uptrend) yesterdays high and SL
might be placed below yesterdays low.
I have always restricted my thought of a trend
follower to buy strength when the strength is peaking
(as a new 40 day high or similar), but now I see that
I can buy strength at more rewarding levels. A couple
of things have lasted on my mind from your earlier
responses and the market wizard book (how I view it)
1. You want to take the trend when it is so obvious
that people start to think its not going any further.
2. You always have your entry above the market (if
buying)
3. You started out with a simple system that was
inspired by Donchian. It might have been a 20 day
breakout or similar. Now you have updated your system
to take entry when a "special pattern" shows up. That
special pattern might be some kind of minor strength
within the larger trend.
4. Donchian speaks about adding to a trend when a key
reversal takes place, however small it is.
5. Risk management is very important. Rather risk to
little than too much.
6. I have always thought that by keep reading the FAQ
on the TTP page I will sooner or later get some smart
hints by you. They are not obvious, but you seldom put
the answer to a question but rather open up for
reasoning.
If I add all of this I come to the conclusion that
your system might have similarities to Elders. Elder
is, apart from you, describing his system in details.
Earlier I skipped systems that was waiting for
retracements. Now I am more aware of risk / return. Also
the Turtles showed their exact system but I'm not
trading that system anyway (but I have tried similar
ones and used some of their ideas). Maybe I wouldn't
trade your system even if you showed it.
I still think it is inspiring to know that there are
systems out there, like yours, that are extremely
profitable. What one man can do, another man can!
Best regards, |
Your trading system comprises (1)
the mathematical system and (2) your ability to follow the math.
You might consider paying attention
to both. |
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Sun, 27 Jan
2008
Supporting Ed's Results
Ed,
Thank you for sending your progress report.
I feel good about this process and the support and camaraderie that is
developing. I am thankful for your guidance at our meeting and your ongoing contribution to everyone’s development.
I judge that you are already looking more healthy and trimmer than when
I saw you last year and looking more like what I judge a Leader / Winner
to look like. I feel more confident that my involvement with your
'feeling technologies' are well founded and will produce results. I have
a positive feeling of anticipation surrounding you reaching your target
weight and support your efforts in dieting and exercise.
I reflect on you aiming for a specific target weight, standardized for
your height and age and wonder if we are not all different and that you
might record how you feel at various weights along the way.
I look forward to you recording your YouTube video and enjoying the
results.
I look forward to progress by all tribe members.
I sincerely thank you for your giving.
Best Wishes,
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Thank you for your support. |
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Sun, 27 Jan
2008
My Results - Complete on the Book
Dear Ed,
I complete the reading of the recommended book. I underestimated the task but feel good
about meeting the Sunday night deadline and feel excited about this
whole
process and the tribes support.
I definitely gain clarity about trading and the learning curve that lies
before me. This brings up mixed feelings for me as I have already spent
many
tens of thousands of hours aiming for competence in this arena and it
feels
overwhelming. I am uncertain whether the overall ROI that will be
required
is worth the effort. On the plus side however, I seem to be drawn to it
and
enjoy gaining new knowledge and learning new skills and the challenge
excites me.
I decide to reflect on the book and my thoughts before setting myself a
new
trading task/goal. My hunch at this stage is to investigate an
unfamiliar
market such as commodity futures - I've only ever traded and studied
stocks
and stock indices.
I see emails come in from each of you and this gives me a warm feeling
of
camaraderie and support.
I thank you sincerely for your support.
Best Wishes, |
Thank you for sharing your
process. |
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Sun, 27 Jan
2008
Addictions
Ed,
Years ago I took a seminar where we chose a project to complete by the
end of the program and had to report our progress every week to our
coach. Each week we were to report "specific measurable results."
Specific - something you define that moves the project forward. It must
be easily communicated so you can tell someone in just a few words and
they clearly get what you are talking about.
Measurable results - something that can be measured. Example: I will make
the world a better place - NO PASS. I will smile at 5 people I do not know
and engage 2 strangers in a conversation
about what they love about their life by 7:00 pm Friday - PASS.
I thought
the phrase clearly communicated the desired results.What you are doing reminded me of this and I thought I would pass it on
to see if you can use any of it.
You mentioned your new book includes a lot about addictions. Years ago I
spotted a book on the end cap at the grocery store and felt the urge to
buy it. The title of the book is " And forgive us our debts" by George
Moore.
The story is about an accountant that had a lot of financial problems in
his life and how he went bankrupt, wound up in AA etc. The thing I found
most interesting about the book was his observation after getting his
life
in order. He noted how people seem to cure one addition and then develop
another over and over again. This led him to the conclusion that it was
not one specific thing they were addicted to but that they were
addicted to the STRESS that the other addictions created. As these
people were growing up they were exposed to constant stress in their
lives and when things are calm and going well for them it feels out of
sorts
so they screw things up to feel normal.
This felt familiar to me as my
childhood was very stressful for me and explained some of my own actions
and the actions of many people I have known in my life.
The rest of the book is how to work through your stuff and is mostly the
standard things you find in self help books but the part about the
stress being the engine that runs the other addictions I had never read
before.
If you are interested in reading this book just let me know and I will
send it to you .
On the drive home from the Tribe meeting, I thought about what you said about
mentors and looked back on my life. I realized how all my life there
have been people that have helped me, given me tips and shown me the
way.
I help others all the time but am reluctant to ask for help myself. The
typical "do it myself-er". I also realized that I have been working on
trading for years and years without results and I would be foolish to
not take
the offer of the associates program and full advantage of the TTP
website. Why it took this long to realize this I do not know. I must
have needed a mentor to point out even this simple fact to me. So I
filled out the application
and will get started. Thank you and have a great week.
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Thank you for sharing your
process.
Yes, The "positive intention" of an
addiction is typically to medicate feelings about a right livelihood
issue.

Addictions Can Take Many Forms
and employ various substances
and / or situations.
Addictions typically tend to medicate
deeper issues.
Once you flatten the real issue,
the addiction loses meaning.
Clip:
http://www.health24.com/sex/Graphics/1253-3258,31843.asp |
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Sun, 27 Jan
2008
AHA - Sees
Eating Pattern
Ed,
The toughest thing of all my
commitments has been lowering my Dr
Pepper intake.
Where I used to drink 1 or 2 per day, I cut down to 2
total this week. I noticed that when I eat lunch,
what ever I order is more than it takes to make me full. I do not want
to throw it away and it is too little to take home or save for later so
I go ahead and eat it although I am already full.
About an hour later my stomach is upset so I drink a Dr Pepper to settle
my stomach. I will strive to stop eating when ever I feel full next week
and see what difference that makes.
I have been doing this for years and that accounts for the physical
shape I am in. |
Thank you for sharing your
process. |
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Sun, 27 Jan
2008
Progress -
Quicken and Trading Plan
Ed,
Here is my progress report on the two areas of commitment:
(1) I have spent several hours in the last week delving into the mess
which is our household financial accounts in Quicken. I can now run
the program from my laptop connecting to the database on our server,
2007 transactions are categorized into income and expense accounts, I
set up cash accounts to account for cash spending transactions and I
create an accurate statement of net worth as of the end of 2007 (8.4%
increase). There is still room for improvement in our accounting
system. Diving into the process has caused friction with my wife - we
cannot seem to have a dialog about it without her raising her voice
in volume and pitch, but my attention and intention to getting it
straightened out has motivated some action on her part as well to
that end. There's yet some voltage there that needs to be discharged
or put to work.
(2) I have gotten a start on my trading plan development - have updated
balances in my portfolio tracking spreadsheet; have not yet worked
out the details of planning my trades on [website] trading
ideas. I do not yet feel prepared yet to start taking trades but I
commit to continue making progress towards that goal.
I feel good about the accomplishments of this week. Thank you,
comrade warriors, for helping me clarify my desire to improve on this
front, and for your support in holding me accountable to my word and
intention. |
Thank you for sharing your
process. |
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Sun, 27 Jan
2008
Studies
Liquidity and Activity
Hi Ed,
Happy New Year. I hope you and yours had a wonderful holiday season.
Thought you might like this.
Just a rough quick look at activity and
liquidity across futures for the end of 2007. I am going to do this for
the end of each year back going to 1970 including inactive (now, not
then) futures. Perhaps in this way my portfolio selection algorithm
won't suffer survivorship bias in the back tests.
I hope you are indeed well and in great spirits. |
Thank you for sharing your process. |
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Sat, 26 Jan
2008
My Results
- Program, Exercise, Food & Music
Dear Ed,
This is to congratulate those of you who are complying with the
agreement to report progress, to remind the others to get with the
program, and to report my progress.
Computer Program:
Currently solves all problems.
Exercise: Complete on first meeting with trainer and
workout in gym.
Food: I am continuing with healthy eating - my trainer advises me to
eat more so I can increase my upper-body musculature. He tells me to
anticipate some weight gain while I build upper body muscle, and then more weight reduction.
Music: My band announces a conflict and
cannot show. I am currently assembling a band.
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Thank you for sharing your process.
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Sat, 26 Jan
2008
Mathemagics
- a Video
Amazing mathematical wizard doing a stage act with calculations. He
teaches math at a small college but tries to entertain and motivate his
students in unusual ways. He can do complex calculations mentally before
a calculator can. At the end, he explains how he does it.
http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/199
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Thank you for the link. |
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Sat, 26 Jan
2008
Jazzed Banjo
- A Video
Ed,
If I wanted to play the banjo like Bela Fleck, I'd ask Bela Fleck to
mentor me. If I didn't know whom to model, I'd say, "Hey, Ed! Who's a
good banjo mentor?," and you might say, "Bela
Fleck."
You might consider asking some friends, "Hey! Who's a good 'Boy, Am I
Ever Emotionally Jazzed!' mentor?" |
I suppose, if I were to wish to
play continual jazz with my emotions, I might take your suggestions.
I also like bluegrass, country, classical , R&B, rock, folk
and sometimes silence. |
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Sat, 26 Jan
2008
My Results
- Abandoning Romance
My results:
I am abandoning the commitment I made regarding romance.
I have done well in telling 5-6 folks that I am not buying the BMW until
the IPO or I have the resources to pay for it in cash.
Thanks,
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You might consider taking your
feelings about <making and breaking agreements> to Tribe. |
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Sat, 26 Jan
2008
My Results
-
Connecting
with Wife, Relaxing & Learning Spanish
Ed,
The rocks process is amazing. I talk to my wife twice
since our meeting on Sunday. The conversations are
long and healthy. I do not get upset or angry at any
obvious questions. Instead I try to find the positive
intention of simple questions. I carry my resource
rock with me all the time and press it when confronted
with mundane questions and use my new resources to
handle the situation at hand. I find I am more relaxed
than before and do not entertain drama.
I find a Spanish instructor and my first Spanish class
for beginners is next Wednesday at 8pm.
Sincerely Yours, |
Thank you for sharing your
process. |
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Fri, 25 Jan
2008
Two Rules for
Happy Living
Ed,
There are two rules for happy living according to L. Ron Hubbard
One: Be able to experience anything.
Two: Cause only those things which others are able to experience easily.
Man has had many golden rules. The Buddhist rule of "Do unto others as
you would have these others do unto you" has been repeated often in
other religions. But such golden rules, while they served to advance man
above the animal, resulted in no sure sanity, success or happiness. Such
a golden rule gives only the cause-point (the origination point), or at
best the reflexive effect-point (the receipt point). This is a
self-done-to-self thing and tends to put all on obsessive cause.... It
gives no thought to what one does about the things done to one by others
not so indoctrinated.
How does one handle the evil things done to him? It is not told in the
Buddhist rule.
So long as one fears or suffers from the effect of violence, one will
have violence against him. When one can experience exactly what is being
done to one, ah, magic, it does not happen!
How to be happy in this universe is a problem few prophets or sages have
dared contemplate directly. We find them "handling" the problem of
happiness by assuring us that man is doomed to suffering. They seek not
to tell us how to be happy but how to endure being unhappy. Such casual
assumption of the impossibility of happiness has led us to ignore any
real examination of ways to be happy. Thus, we have floundered forward
toward a negative goal—get rid of all the unhappiness on Earth and one
would have a livable Earth. (Confront means to face something without
flinching or avoiding.) If one seeks to get rid of something
continually, one admits continually he cannot confront it—and thus
everyone went downhill. Life became a dwindling spiral of more things we
could not confront. And thus we went toward blindness and unhappiness. To
be happy, one only must be able to confront, which is to say,
experience, those things that are.
Unhappiness is only this: the inability to confront that which is.
Hence, (1) Be able to experience anything.
The effect side of life deserves great consideration. The self-caused
side also deserves examination.
To create only those effects which others could easily experience gives
us a clean new rule of living. For if one does, then what might he do
that he must withhold from others? There is no reason to withhold his
own actions or regret them (same thing) if one's own actions are easily
experienced by others. This is a sweeping test (and definition) of good
conduct—to do only those things which others can experience.
If you examine your life, you will find you are bothered only by those
actions a person did which others were not able to receive. Hence a
person's life can become a hodgepodge of violence withheld, which pulls
in, then, the violence others caused.
The more actions a person emanated which could not be experienced by
others, the worse a person's life became. Recognizing that he was bad
cause or that there were too many bad causes already, a person ceased
causing things—an unhappy state of being.
(Mis-emotion means an emotion or emotional reaction that is inappropriate
to the present time situation.) Pain, mis-emotion, unconsciousness,
insanity—all result from causing things others could not experience
easily. The reach–withhold phenomenon is the basis of all these things.
When one sought to reach in such a way as to make it impossible for
another to experience, one did not reach, then, did he? To "reach" with
a gun against a person who is unwilling to be shot is not to reach the
person, but a protest. All bad reaches never reached. So there was no
communication, and the end result was a withhold by the person reaching.
This reach–withhold became at last, an inability to reach—therefore, low
communication, low reality, low affinity.
Communication is one means of reaching others. So, if one is unable to
reach, one's ability to communicate will be low; and reality will be
low, because if one is unable to communicate, he won't really get to
know about others; and with knowing little or nothing about others, one
doesn't have any feeling about them either, thus one's affinity will be
low. Affinity, reality and communication work together; and if one of
these three is high, the other two will be also; but if one is low, so
will the others be low.
All bad acts, then, are those acts which cannot be easily experienced at
the target end.
On this definition, let us review our own "bad acts." Which ones were
bad? Only those that could not be easily experienced by another were
bad. Thus, which of society's favorite bad acts are bad? Acts of real
violence resulting in pain, unconsciousness, insanity and heavy loss
could at this time be considered bad. Well, what other acts of yours do
you consider "bad"? The things which you have done which you could not
easily, yourself, experience were bad. But the things which you have
done which you, yourself, could have experienced, had they been done to
you, were not bad. That certainly changes one's view of things! |
I wonder if you can provide some
examples of how you are making out
personally by applying these rules consistently in your own life. |
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Fri, 25 Jan
2008
Scold
Hi, Ed!
If any Joy, Happiness, or Unmitigated Bliss unexpectedly grabs you by
the ass today and begs to be loved, savored, caressed, fondled, cuddled,
played with or in any other way kept around for awhile, I promise to
severely scold anyone who tries to punish you for having some fun with
it. Don't worry, be happy! |
You might consider taking your
feelings about <scolding> to Tribe.

Scolding
can become a form of medication
for both the scolder
and the scoldee.
Clip:
http://fakesteve.blogspot.com/
2007_12_01_archive.html |
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Fri, 25 Jan
2008
Bar Stool Economics
Ed,
Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten
comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it
would go something like this:
The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.
So, that's what they decided to do. The ten men drank in the bar every
day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the
owner threw them a curve. 'Since you are all such good customers, he
said, 'I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20.
Drinks for the ten now cost just $80.
The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the
first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free.
What about the other six men - the paying customers? How could they
divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his 'fair share?'
They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted
that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man Would
each end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner Suggested
that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same
amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.!
And so:
The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings).
The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).
Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued
to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to
compare their savings.
'I only got a dollar out of the $20,'declared the sixth man. He pointed
to the tenth man,' but he got $10!'
'Yeah, that's right,' exclaimed the fifth man. 'I only saved a dollar,
too. It's unfair that he got ten times more than I!'
'That's true!!' shouted the seventh man. 'Why should he get $10 back
when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!'
'Wait a minute,' yelled the first four men in unison. 'We didn't get
anything at all. The system exploits the poor!'
The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.
The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine Sat
down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill,
they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money
between all of them for even half of the bill!
And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our
tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most
benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being
wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might
start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.
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You might consider taking your
feelings about <it's not fair> to Tribe. |
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Thu, 24 Jan
2008
My Results
- Sell the Car & Stop Drinking
Ed,
I am sending my results tonight because we are going out of town this
weekend and I want to make sure to get them in before Sunday 6:00pm.
My results:
What I said I would do: Get Mustang running and post it on the internet
for sale.
What I produced: Drained the gas out of the tank and refilled with fresh
fuel. Cleaned carburetor. Charged battery and got it to run again. ITS
ALIVE!
Listed for sale on 1 website and will list on at least 1 more by Monday
10:00 pm.
What I said I would do: Drink no more than 2 caffeinated drinks a week. I
need to re-promise as this does not work for me.
What I am willing to commit to: I will limit myself to 1 soft drink per
week but will keep my morning coffee.
I have already had my 1 Dr Pepper for the week.
I don't remember committing to a specific result for trading but on the
drive home from Austin Sunday night I thought about what Ed said and
realized that all
along the way in my life I have had people who mentored me and helped me
along. I also realized that it would be foolish for me not to take the
opportunity that
Ed has presented in the TT Associates program and continue trying to "do
it myself". So I have completed and sent in the application to the
TTAssociates
program tonight.
Have a great week! |
Thank you for sharing your
process. |
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Wed, 23 Jan
2008
Money
Management Question
Hello Ed,
Are you managing money these days or just trading your personal account?
If
managing money, what is the minimum investment? |
I consider more than the amount of money a person
wishes to invest in order to determine if we might be a good fit. |
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Tue, 22 Jan
2008
Rome TT
Ed,
I have started a new TT in Rome, Italy.
Can I register it on your site so to let it grow?
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Yes. See Tribe Directory, above, for
instructions. |
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Tue, 22 Jan
2008
Risk and
Fear
Hi Ed,
I experienced a couple new emotions tonight which I wanted to share.
Well actually one - fear. I go into tomorrow positioned quite
well - net short (re: short outnumber long as % of portfolio 3-1) and
it appears we will have a down open.
Still I am scared of a market that can fall 15% over two or three
sessions internationally. I fear a market where I watch my friends lose
50% of their capital in a few days. I question how much I know.
Mainly, am I really ready to ride a bear just as I would a bull or
am I not really cut out for this.
For me - I guess today I realized that making money is not the test of
whether or not I am cut out to trade, the new test is whether I can
handle gains and losses emotionally. I guess I am not as ready as I
thought. |
Fifty-percent in a couple days
seems a little steep to me. Your friends might consider doing some back-testing
to come up with some risk control methods.
You might consider taking your feelings about <taking big risks> to Tribe.

When Risk is Out of Line
with reward
it may indicate
a set-up for high drama.
Clip:
http://www.rmdmarketing.co.uk/approach.html |
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Tue, 22 Jan
2008
Russian SU-30 - A Video
Hi, Ed
How do you spell Bernoulli in Russian? This is an amazing video. I don't
see how they prevent compressor stalls, which occur when the air moving
through the turbine is disrupted. Going backwards would definitely not
be following the trend.
I believe the F-22 might be capable of this type of flight, or at least
might be able to combat the SU-30 on fairly even terms, but I don't
believe anything else in the US arsenal could come close.
click here for WMV file |
Thank you for the clip. |
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Tue, 22 Jan
2008
Sadness and Frustration
Hello Ed!
I hope this email finds you in good health as you haven’t answered FAQ
for a long time. Maybe you have an out-time from writing FAQ and I hope
you enjoy it.
Before a few weeks I read your posts about controlling others and it hit
a nerve! I seem to have an issue about expecting other people to do
certain things.
At this moment I expect my girlfriend to spend more time
with me. She is busy because she will finish school in a few months,
does sports and so on. As we don’t see each other as often as I wish I
take it personally and I am a little bit offended.
I phone with her and
we have a nice talk at the beginning but at the end I begin to tease her
because of the time issue and we end the telethon call with a weird
feeling. It seems to be a pattern of mine to expect things and to be
offended and teasing when the things don’t move as I expect them to do.
When she doesn’t say that she misses me or that she wants to spend time
with me or is busy or doesn’t get intimate I get a little bit anxious
that our relationship might be not in order.
I also feel sadness in between, sometimes without a reason (the
fundamentalist in me).
Thanks Ed! |
You might consider taking your
feelings of <sadness and frustration> to Tribe.

If You are Unwilling
to experience sadness and frustration
you are likely to set people up
as excuses to experience them.
Clip:
http://howtosplitanatom.com/news/
how-to-blog-2/
|
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Sun, 20 Jan
2008
New tribe in New Hampshire
Hi Ed,
I hope you are well!
I read an old
FAQ post from
Thu, 22 May 2003:
Nothing Works
Ed says:
“Joining a Tribe or forming one, and experiencing the feelings of
inadequacy pass from Fred to CM ... might be simpler than having to act
it out over and over.”
Replace inadequacy with any felling, I get it – AHA!
Please accept my application for a new Tribe in Southern New Hampshire
Thank you for the body of work and thank you to the tribe! |

Welcome !
Amherst,
New Hampshire
|
|
Fri, 18 Jan
2008
Financial
Website Essentials
Hi, Ed
I am actively working on launching a financial data website and was
hoping to get some input. I am interested to know what you look for and
like on financial websites? Any ideas or comments and suggestions would
be great. |
Open, High, Low and Close. |
|
Fri, 18 Jan
2008
I'll be Watching You Ben Bernanke
- A Video
Ed,
I think you might enjoy this video Ed.
http://goldenticker.wordpress.com/
2008/01/17/well-be-watching-you-
ben-bernanke-music-video/
|
Thank you for the link. |
|
Fri, 18 Jan
2008
Men's and
Women's Brains - A Video
Ed,
You might
enjoy this video. brains.
http://marriageresourcecenter.org/
videogallery/4/lg/VideoWidget8.htm |
Thank you for the link. |
|
Thu, 17 Jan
2008
Banjo - A
Video
Ed,
Here is a
YouTube link to Seldom Scene - I Know You Rider - Cleveland 1991.
The banjo solo is kick ass!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9huPI7lOXA |
Thank you for the link. |
|
Tue, 15 Jan
2008
Debt as Money
- A Video
Ed,
I learn something new everyday. I thought you might like this video.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?
docid=-9050474362583451279&q=genre%
3Adocumentary&total=253540&start=60&num=
10&so=0&type=search&plindex=4
|
Thank you for the link. |
|
Tue, 15 Jan
2008
Stock
Cannot Fall
Ed,
See the Wall Street Journal for today.
Citi CEO
Makes Interesting Offer.
By BRETT ARENDS
"At around $27, Citigroup stock has now fallen more
than 50% from the all-time peak reached barely 12
months ago. The shares literally cannot fall as far as
they have already, even if they were to go to zero.
So in a technical sense, the worst is already past.
The question remains whether that is also true in a
meaningful way, and whether we're near the bottom."
I don't see
how the worst is past. The shares can go to zero.
Source:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1200419729
26291661.html?mod=yahoo_hs&ru=yahoo |
I wonder what the CEO means by
"technical sense." Most of the technicians I know sense a
downtrend.

CIT Weekly Chart

CIT Daily Chart
|
|
Tue, 15 Jan 2008
Bull Fights
This k-not in my back is acting up since our tribe meeting. Same spot as
always, left side of my middle back.
The first few times, I go with it
for a while then stop. But today, I decide to take it farther. What does
it want me to do? Bend backwards, to the left and make a painful face. I
ask myself why I keep stopping, the response, "because it hurts too
much."
What am I afraid is going to happen? "Something might burst." Ok.
Well this time, I'm going to take it up and try to get to know the
feeling. It feels sharp, a spike, only one. It feels like an arrow. My
mind instantly flashes back to a bull fight I saw when I was 7.
The
thing that disturbs me, then and now, is that they would put arrows in
the bull's back to make it a fair fight. This feels like an arrow in my
back. I'm thinking about my brother. I'm thinking about me spilling my
drinks when I was a kid and we used to go out to dinner.
I'm thinking,
why do I want to make it a fair fight with him? I no longer think I was
spilling my drinks for my parents attention, I think it was for my
brother's.
My older brother is the coolest kid in the world when I was
small. The messages he sends, his approval, are just as important as my
parent's. My parent's said, "be good." My brother said, "go crazy, have
fun."
The two messages together create my cycle.
I'm trying now to
relax. I can't shake the pain in my back. So I intensify it. All the way
up. I make a sweeping motion with my hand (knocking over the glass) and
it releases. I do this some more. Now I'm enjoying it. I still don't
understand the bull fight. |
Thank you for sharing your
process. |
|
Mon, 14 Jan
2008
Medicinal Rock versus Resources Rock
Hi Ed!
How do you define the difference between Medicinal
rock and Resources rock? I try to come up with some
definitions. Funny, when I wrote that line I
understood what you were going to answer ("You might
want to take your feelings regarding definitions to
the hotseat!").
I can imagine the situation when I read your answer
and begin to understand that, what does it matter if I
have a definition? I feel when I apply a medicinal
rock. One behavior can be a medicinal rock in one
situation and a resources rock in another situation.
Do I have to know when it is medicinal or not? I now
remember the line you wrote me to take "my feelings of
trying to figure it all out" to the tribe. Anyway,
here are some examples that comes to my mind when I
try to separate them:
1. A medicinal rock is something you do to avoid your
feelings. A resources rock is a behavior you do to
avoid drama.
2. Medicinal rock behavior is something that feels bad
afterwards while the resources rock behavior feels
good afterwards. "Good" can be replaced with "correct"
or "in line with right livelihood".
3. The resources rock is something that is created
through the rocks process. (Sounds unlikely that only
people who have tried the rocks process are using what
you call a resources rock throughout their lives.)
I remember when we first tried out the resources rock.
We label our rocks and I understood you really
thought we did it all wrong. I can still not
understand how something can be completely different
if you apply the rocks process. Or maybe I can. If I
simply say that I want to react to a situation in a
specific way, I guess it's hard to carry out. But if
the situation is role-played and personalized it might
get better. Yes, I agree.
Ok, that was a snapshot from my thoughts right now. |
You might consider viewing your
search for the "right way" as medication for your feelings about
committing to some form of right livelihood. |
|
Sun, 13 Jan
2008
Breathwork
Did a search on internet and for books on breath work and Vivation: None
seem to describe how to do it. Any suggestions? |
I suggest you re-write your note in
SVO-p.
When you put yourself in the
sentence and put the sentence in the now, you may find yourself
breathing more easily. |
|
Sun, 13 Jan
2008
No Time -
Article
Ed,
Max Planck Institute declares "Time Does Not Exist"
http://discovermagazine.com/2007/jun/in-no-time
|
Well, it's about time. |
|
Sat, 12 Jan
2008
Working
Diligently
It's such a beautiful day outside today
Dear Ed,
Thank you very much for your response regarding choppy markets. I
suppose sometimes people rationalize their feelings and the "choppy
markets" hypothesis could be an example of this.
I myself am working through a textbook on C#, trying to gain a foothold
on programming to build back-testing software and eventually a
fully-automated, trend-following system.
I thank you so much for the
guidance you so willingly provide TTP participants and onlookers;
moreover, your example has influenced me to work diligently to be a
successful trend follower and I am dedicated to someday using my
"winnings" to help brighten the livelihoods of others.
Peace! |
Thank you for sharing your
process. |
|
Wed, 9 Jan
2008
Entitlement
Ed,
Ed Says: Major Up-Trends
give heroic top-pickers
many opportunities
to try to be right.
With any system, sometimes you win and sometimes you lose. If you stick
with a sound system, you are likely to emerge as a net winner after a
series of many trials.
When I demonstrate some mastery of my own process in this area I may
feel more competent to advise others.
Ed, do you think that top picking and bottom picking are the same thing?
While I myself seemingly have a tendency to top picking, I notice that a
friend of mine has a tendency to bottom picking.
Over the past weeks I read some newsletters from some "experts" and I
noticed that most of them have a tendency to buy pullbacks into an
uptrend or sell rallies into a downtrend. That's a common discretionary
approach. If they are right they usually fail because while they are
waiting for the entry point the market is already moving further toward
their objectives.
One of them, though, caught my attention because he seems to have trend
following traits in his discretionary approach. Yet I don't have
statistics about his historical performance. As a matter of fact I
already suspect what to expect on average.
My investigation and experience with trading systems, methods and
principles give me a rather disappointing outlook on what to expect and
how to make a successful trading enterprise. For instance, I notice that
it's advisable to risk only 0.5-1% of account equity on a given
trade / market. As a result, I need to have a highly diversified portfolio
to have better returns (the manager I consider to be one of world's best
trend followers has been making about 26% per year, with drawdowns
around 29%). That's not particularly enticing I think. I know it's
possible to make more, if one is willing to accept more downside risk
potential. But then who knows where the Uncle Point is?
I feel I have a solid grasp of trend following principles and I am
rather convinced there is no other way to go, unless I am willing to
gamble and pay the corresponding price (Jesse Livermore comes to my
mind). Yet I feel that trend following can be very demanding and boring,
beginning with the programming, data collection, back-testing and system
design process, to data update and execution of trades (as a matter of
fact I wonder how traders like you could make your way in the old days,
without the computer resources we have nowadays).
It's always more
alluring to willingly believe that I might have some uncanny power to
call a market moves and make a fortune out of the high leverage, rather
than humbly admit that I am simple mortal.
I wish to make a system for myself. I have some ideas and I have already
tested some. As I am limited to a couple of high correlated markets, I
am thinking about working with model diversification.
Have you done some
research in this regard, such as using different systems or same system
with different parameters in the same market? What do you think? |
A yearly return of 26% with a 29%
maximum draw down gives .26/.29 = .897 Bliss Factor - several times that
for Buy-And-Hold strategy for S&P.
I wonder what you do find
"enticing." Perhaps entitlement to making a lot of money without
doing any work might appeal to you.
You might consider taking your
feelings of <confusion and wanting others to rescue you> to Tribe.

Entitlements Put Strain
on the system
and on the recipients.
Clip:
http://www.centrists.org/pages/2003/
12/1_guest_budget.html |
|
Tue, 8 Jan
2008
Riding an
Old Paint
Hi Ed, had my first true Aha....
I remember as a kid my father (commercial painter, construction
worker) wanting me to help him paint apartments or various houses
throughout my teenage years. I remember spilling a drop of paint on
the floor and him totally verbally abusing the s--t out of me. I felt
rejected, humiliated, frozen, worthless, scared, sad, fearful, lonely
etc etc.
I now see why I've been very shy towards women in the past.
I now see why I blew up my trading accounts when I made money.
When I had the aha just now I was kinda like physically convulsing in
a way like a dog shaking to get dry. Like I was getting rid of that
wired baggage / garbage in my system. Like an Exorcism. Pretty trippy.
Ed, thanks for teaching us the process, you are the man. |
Thank you for sharing your
process.

If You Like To Clean Up Paint
you first have to spill it.
Clip:
http://www.rd.com/17552/article.html |
|
Sun, 6 Jan
2008
Tribe and Intentional Community Directory
Big Ed,
There are no such meeting places in the
Pasadena-Glendale-Burbank,
California area. Are there any being contemplated? Has anyone from the
Greater
Los Angeles area expressed interest in starting one? Please let me know
at your
convenience. |
You can start a Tribe in your area. See the Tribe
Directory link, above. |
|
Sat, 5 Jan
2008
Successful Traders
Ed says, "If you wish to begin, you might consider hanging out with
some successful traders." (Aug 16, 2007)
How do we know if a person is a successful trader? If we use money
made as scores of the game, then perhaps one way is to look at those
yearly rankings of how much a trader makes, and then see who is
consistent appearing on that list?
Two issues:
1. I cannot get in touch with those people who are on top of the list
(e.g. Steve Cohen, Jim Simons), and moreover I am not sure if they are
willing to let me hang out with them.
2. The list is incomplete as it excludes successful traders who prefer
not to publish their results (e.g. you).
So I guess the best I can do - and what I am doing now - is to keep
asking questions to a successful trader and read his FAQ :-) Anything
else you think I may consider doing to get to hang out with successful
traders?
|
You might consider taking your
feelings about <getting other people to manage your life> to Tribe. |
|
Sat, 5 Jan
2008
Drawdown
Ed says, "Drawdowns matter if they make you jump off your system."
In trading, "not following a system" seems to have a negative
connotation.
The implicit assumption here is, following his system can help him be
more profitable.
That is a bold assumption, isn't it? That is to say if only he has
followed his system, he is going to be better off. But what if his
system is 1) internally inconsistent, or 2) heavily negative skew in
that a catastrophic is in the making for his many tiny wins? Then
could it be a good thing that he is actually jumps off the system?
If so, can we say that the positive intention of a drawdown is to
inform us of what is not working, as trend followers we want to stick with the trend of "what works"?
Thanks. |
Following a system does not
guarantee profits any more than not following a system.
Profits over any time span depend on
how well the system fits the market behavior - and on how well the
trader executes the system.
Following a system is likely to
bring up feelings about wanting to abandon the system.
You might consider taking your
feelings about <commitment> to Tribe.

Commitment
"When you are beyond screwed
and way too stubborn to care."
Clip:
http://www.fam-first.com/pictures/pictures.html |
|
Fri, 4 Jan
2008
Look Within
Ed says, "Looking within ... seems a more direct path to success than
only looking outside, to the markets."
Can you suggest some of the ways you use to look within? |
Yes.
One way to look inside is with TTP,
in your Tribe meetings. Alternatively, you might turn to more
formal medicine.

The Colonoscope
is one of Modern Western Medicine's ways
to have a good look inside.
Clip:
http://medgadget.com/archives/
2007/06/sedationless_colonoscopy
_for_your_viewing_pleasure.html |
|
Fri, 4 Jan
2008
Reading Tells
Ed says, "In practice, poker has to do with assessment of pot odds,
reading tells and waiting for a good game to develop, similar
practices to ones useful in trading." (2/6/03)
Can you give an example of how reading tells are useful in trading? Is
it like observing for sentiment among market participants? Is it more
like predicting rather than trend-following? Thanks. |
One pretty good tell for a bull
market is that prices take out the resistance and keep rising.

In Poker and in Life
players routinely study each other
to discover areas of vulnerability
Clip:
http://guinnessandpoker.blogspot.com/
2005_03_20_archive.html |
|
Fri, 4 Jan
2008
Marriage Counseling
#2
A husband and wife came for counseling after 15 years of marriage . When
asked what the problem was, the wife went into a passionate, painful
tirade listing every problem they had ever had in the 15 years they had
been married. She went on and on and on: neglect, lack of intimacy,
emptiness, loneliness, feeling unloved and unlovable, an entire laundry
list of un-met needs she had endured over the course of their marriage.
Finally, after allowing this to go on for a sufficient length of time,
the therapist got up, walked around the desk and, after asking the wife
to stand, he embraced and kissed her passionately. The woman shut up and
quietly sat down as though in a daze.
The therapist turned to the husband and said, "This is what your wife
needs at least three times a week. Can you do this?" The husband thought
for a moment and replied,.. "Well, I can drop her off here on Mondays
and Wednesdays, but on Fridays, I fish. |
In TTP we do not recommend personal
contact between the Process Manager and the Sender - unless the Sender
is really good looking. |
|
Fri, 4 Jan
2008
Speed
Bandits - A Video
http://www.speedbandits.dk/ |
The Topless Speed Limit Girls in Denmark is
likely an urban myth.
|
|
Fri, 04 Jan
2008
Marriage Counseling
Earl and Bubba are quietly sitting in a boat fishing, chewing and
drinking beer when Bubba says, 'I think I'm gonna divorce my wife. She
ain't spoke to me in over 2 months.'
Earl spits, sips his beer, and says, "Better think it over.
Women like that are hard to find." |
You might consider taking
your feelings about <women and Southerners> to Tribe. |
|
Thu, 3 Jan
2008
Depressed
Hey Ed,
I happened upon this site just a couple of days ago.
It so happens that my life is a mess and still trending lower. I was
especially depressed and was online looking for something. (answers?,
questions?, anything that might help). I ended up initiating a search on
Google for "everybody gets what they want" and one of the links was to
that book, "Market Wizards". I read that interview and was immediately
struck by how unique and honest your answers were. Loved the interview
and subsequently, I (guess what) did a search on Ed Seykota and arrived
here.
It was truly odd. I was looking for a way to relieve my bout with
depression and I ended up learning about a process that could help me,
from a most unlikely source, a financial market guru. This also renews
my interest in financial markets.
My interest in the stock market was first sparked when I read the book,
'At The Crest Of The Tidal Wave' by Robert Preacher. And, while the
author was slightly off on his timing, his theories seemed sound. I
still believe that a great bear market is coming which will lead to
depression.
Due to the aging population of the United States, eventually
there will be more people leaving the workforce than entering it. Social
Security will no longer be able to support the retired folks. There will
be no choice but to flood the economy with liquidity. The wealthy, and
other people 'in the know' will sell, and the middle class will be left
holding worthless stocks. There is already a credit crunch developing. I
could go on, but, of course, this is fundamental analysis, and you don't
consider fundamentals.
After all, this is just opinion since the future
is, as you put it, non-existing. Plus, everyone seems to realize that
there is an impending problem, but no one seems too worried about it.
I know that I am referencing the future, but I think that while living
in the "now" is the best policy, I must still make plans for the future.
How does Ed Seykota resolve the fact that you must live in the future
from time to time. I will feel hungry in the future, so I must make
provisions for this. The stock market will be open from 9:30am to 4:00pm
EST tomorrow, so I must set my alarm. If I don't plan for future events
and rely on future events, I will miss out on future events or worse. I
use fundamental analysis all the time in my every day life. Don't you?
When I first saw those pretty chart patterns years ago, I thought,
"these patterns are so obvious, how do people manage to lose money?"
Then, of course, I realized that while the past is 'etched in stone' and
seems so obvious, the future is non-existing, and therefore
unpredictable and never obvious.
I am a programmer, so, at that time, I acquired data and starting
writing code to test the Elliot Wave theory. I ended up dismissing this
theory because of the subjective nature of defining a 'wave'. However,
my interest in technical analysis was sparked and I read other books on
the subject. Eventually I did code a program that turned a profit, using
moving average crossovers and slow stochastic crossovers. I never placed
a trade because I had no money to open an account. so I forgot about it.
At some point I did acquire enough capital to open an account, but at
the time, the stock market was the furthest thing from my mind.
Well, that program was lost, although I still remember the concepts that
I used, so I can re-create it. Of course, now I am unemployed and have
no money to open an account, but I resolve now to get a job and save
money so that I will have enough to gamble on the markets. Hopefully I
will be on my way to better things and a happier life.
The question I have is, is it better to test systems on data from stocks
such as General Motors (GM) which has made a round trip over the past 30
years?
I am assuming that this is so. Once I have a system to maximize
profits in GM, it 'should' turn a profit in all markets, although, I'm
not yet certain that I can take a 'one size fits all' approach. An
optimized trading system for GM may not be a good system for BIDU.
Lastly, I was wondering if it is a pre-requisite that I read the Trading
Tribe book before I contact a Trading Tribe group?
It's going to be a
little while before I can even afford the book, but I do have many
issues that I can take to Tribe. Of course, the book would help me
understand the process better, so I will probably wait so as not to
waste anybody's time.
The Trading Tribe process is very interesting to me. I have always been
one to suppress any and all feelings as I've judged all feelings to be
bad including joy and happiness. Since I've started reading the FAQs, I
now realize that this is no way to go through life. It's only been a
couple of days, but I am trying to be a better sender / receiver. I have
wasted so much time.
Thank You so much for all of your insights and I wish you continued
success. |
I do not know how to live in the
future.
If you know how, perhaps you can send me a demo.
You might start with something
simple - like accessing some price information from the future and bringing it
back to the now.
We could then (now) use the
information to medicate our feelings of uncertainty.

Belief in the Future
can medicate now feelings
of anxiety.
Clip:
http://www.wsiwellness.com/cart/
images/test%20anxiety.bmp
|
|
Fri, 4 Jan
2008
Networking Contact
Dear Mr. Seykota,
I am not known to you but I discovered you about a year ago through the
online encyclopedia called Wikipedia while learning more about [Company]. On the topic, I was interested to read about
your background and found that you were a very talented and dedicated
person.
I have hoped for an informational discussion about your
practice and your philosophy and even wished to find a
"very-little-commitment" mentor of sorts. Today I think I found the
right opportunity, which is why I am contacting you.
Please allow me a short introduction. I have just begun a graduate
program at [University] this spring. Prior to enlisting in this
graduate program, I was working in new design and development of
technology for large corporations. But, I decided that going back to
school was the right choice both to study the attributes that make for
good investments and to earn the credibility to contact people like
you.
At [University], we have these things called Career Networking Receptions
that I just learned about. I thought of you because one of these events
will be taking place in [City]. Please pardon the late notice, but the event
is scheduled for next week on Monday, January 7th from 7-9 pm.
Yet, I
wanted to extend the invitation to you or any of your network
to attend. It will no doubt be a welcoming social occasion, a chance to
meet Alumni and members of the administration over
something light to eat.
If you can attend or might know of good further contacts, the right
person move would be to contact would be [Name]. If that's not possible on such short notice or because it
is not the right occasion, perhaps there be another occasion to solicit
20 minutes of your time even on a phone call in the near future? Either
way, please advise if any of this would be possible.
Thank you very much! |
I wonder what you mean by finding a
"very-little-commitment" mentor. |
|
Wed, 2 Jan
2008
Two Different
Reactions
Hi Ed,
I follow this FAQ thread:
Wants Cow Pie (5/22/07)
Contributor A: Maybe you could post a picture of a big hot air
balloon, or a wind bag, or a big pile of cow poop, or something.
On Cow Pies and Games (6/18/07)
Contributor B: I quickly realize (after my initial outburst of course)
that this is exactly how drama in my life escalates. I'm now caught up
in 'the game' with this person. I don't enjoy participating in these
types of games but I sometimes am unable to help myself. Obviously,
on some level, I must enjoy it
More Cow Pies (6/20/07)
Contributor A: I smile when I read non-trader type comments. This
person clearly has issues around their inability to follow a trading
plan
Before I read Contributor A's reply on 6/20, I feel tremendously
impressed with Contributor B's insight. To me, he seems to have an
extraordinary gift to be able to step out of the drama, reflect on the
big picture and gain some really cool insight that I greatly
appreciate.
After reading Contributor A's reply on 6/20, I still feel the same
about Contributor B, and I also feel in awe (as in eye-opening and
very glad to see) how the very same reflections (by Contributor B) can
draw two radically different responses (mine and Contributor A).
FAQ is a very cool learning place - seems like always something new I
learn, and in unexpected ways. Thanks. |
OK. |
|
Wed, 2 Jan
2008
Stocks in Up-trends
Hi Ed !
As goes oil, so go the solar stocks:
SOLF
CSUN
AKNS
ASTI
regards, |
Thank you for the "tip."
Here is a chart of one of your
picks.
I find you have an uncanny sense of
timing. Please keep the recommendations coming.

SOLF
The Red Circle shows the date and price
of the buy recommendation.
|
|
Wed, 2 Jan
2008
Rock Process
Questions / FAQ: Jun 18, 2007
Hi Ed,
I have several questions regarding that FAQ:
(Contributor) I thank you for stressing on the word " VISION" during
the snapshot process...
1. Can you please share with us again the role of VISION in the
context of the snapshot process?
(Ed) We Assimilate Medicinal Rocks during terrifying events ...
2. Is it the only way we assimilate Medicinal Rocks?
3. Is it a necessary condition that "someone" passes the Medicinal
Rocks to us? Is it possible that we somehow instinctively pick up a
Medicinal Rock? If so, how do we role-play it in the Rock Process? (In
the Rock Process we always have someone else handling a rock to us
during role-play)
Thanks. |
You might consider that you
are responsible for creating all the
circumstances in your life, including the receipt of rocks.
You might consider taking your feelings about <needing for me to tell
you how to do things> to your Tribe.

Sometimes We Miss
having our fathers behind us
and we look to others
to medicate that feeling.
Some Thoughts About Fathers
"I cannot think of any need in childhood as strong as the
need for a father's protection." -- Sigmund Freud.
"A man never stands as tall as when he kneels to help a child." --the
Knights of Pythagoras
"A truly rich man is one whose children run into his arms when his hands
are empty." -- Saying
"Father! - to God himself we cannot give a holier name." -- William
Wordsworth.
"Sherman made the terrible discovery that men make about their fathers
sooner or later... that the man before him was not an aging father but a
boy, a boy much like himself, a boy who grew up and had a child of his
own and, as best he could, out of a sense of duty and, perhaps love,
adopted a role called Being a Father so that his child would have
something mythical and infinitely important: a Protector, who would keep
a lid on all the chaotic and catastrophic possibilities of life." -- Tom
Wolfe.
"One night a father overheard his son pray: Dear God, Make me the kind
of man my Daddy is. Later that night, the Father prayed, Dear God, Make
me the kind of man my son wants me to be." -- Author Unknown.
"When I was a boy of fourteen, my father was so ignorant I could hardly
stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be twenty-one, I was
astonished at how much he had learned in seven years." -- Mark Twain.
Quotes & Clip:
http://www.tubal-reversal.net/fathers-day2.htm |
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Wed, 2 Jan
2008
Ultimate
Trend
Ed says: "A trend is merely an idea. There is no such thing in nature"
Hi Ed,
I wonder if you've heard about the "Ultimate Trend."
"Every
market also has a true trend that stands out from the other trends.
It is self-adjusting, but that quality arises out of the equations
themselves and is not arbitrarily determined.
Ocean uses what's known as the natural moving average, which
dynamically adjusts itself to the market but without being programmed
to do so.
One way of looking at it is that this is the market's own
average of itself. It's remarkable to see."
It should be self-adjusting. It should be non-arbitrary. It should
be timeframe-neutral. It should be market-neutral."
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You might consider running
some back-tests on the indicator in order to supplement the poetic claims
with some statistical evidence.

The Promise that Accompanies the Medicine
is sometimes the real medicine.
Clip:http://blog.bodybuilding.com/deserusan/
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Thu, 3 Jan
2008
Just
Starting Out
Dear Ed,
Firstly, a massive thank you for your site. I have found it to be a
invaluable learning resource, extremely thought provoking, and (at
times) very entertaining. Keep up the excellent work!!!
I have spent the past 6 months researching, testing and refining various
trading systems. At the end of that period, I have arrived at a system
that I believe will work well with me, and produces return / drawdown
characteristics that exceed my requirements. I have tested my system
over 15 years of data. I have then randomized the outcomes to get
'approximate' measures for the maximum drawdown and expected returns. (I
say 'approximate' because I think there are inherent problems with my
(or any) randomizing methods, but they are subtle issues. That is a
discussion for another email, let me know it you are curious.).
I have been working for a "trading" bank (I consider it to be a bank
that rapes it customers and calls the profits 'trading' - but the bosses
like to call it a "trading bank"), for the past 7 years. I have been
running positions in the book I manage, under the guise of "I can see
the future, because I have read the economic data". That is how the
bosses like it - they like a story, it makes them comfortable. I like
profits - not a story - and as such, I have been driven to create
my own system for myself.
I put my first trade on this week. I was very scared and concerned,
(what if my research was wrong? what if slippage was a lot more than I
thought? what if one of my brokers goes under?, etc, etc). I composed
myself and made the trade.
I opened the position, put in the orders to add to the position, and the
stop loss order. Then, I took my dog to the park.
It was very relaxing. I thought about the trade - it was like I was
outside myself, watching myself putting the trade on, and saying to
myself "good job, trade done, just let it mature - good or bad." This
has never happened to me before. Previously, I have put a trade on, with
no fear, and then spent the next period fearing where I should put the
stop, how I should move the stop; if and when, and how much, I should add
to the trade, and what happens if the boss wants the trade to be long
when I am short, or vice versa?? From there, I would spend every second
of the day watching the price, because the bank doesn't tolerate the
giving back of profits - under any circumstances.
I enjoyed my time in the park, and so did my dog. I intend for this to
continue. (That said, my dog did scare the h--- out of a few
squirrels. I guess there has to be a loser in every trade).
There are a few terms on your website that have put a name to thoughts I
have had for some time.
"Snapshot", I have envisaged my trading system providing for me and
family, and allowing me time to spend with my wife and our dog (she is
the light of our life), rather than in the office. This picture helps
drive me towards a well researched system.
"Bliss", I had been optimizing my system to maximize return / drawdown,
finding that you do similar was comforting.
Also, I find the "Intention = Results" concept fascinating. I have had
similar thoughts myself, for some time, but I have had difficulty
verbalizing it to others. I thank you for the clarity and conciseness of
your site.
I hope you don't mind me sharing my thoughts with you. I intend to follow
my system for the foreseeable future, and I look forward to it producing
results similar to those that my testing has suggested are possible.
Would it be ok with you if I sent you an update of how well I was
sticking to my system, every so often??
Please keep the FAQ going, I find it fascinating in so many ways. |
Thank you for sharing your
process.
Let me know how it goes for you, especially if and when you
encounter a drawdown. |
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Wed, 2 Jan 2008 12:03:53 EST
Commitments
Dear Mr. Seykota,
I wish you and your family a happy, healthy and prosperous year 2008!
For 2008 I commit to:
- spending a lot of time with the essential tribe, my family and friends.
- trading trends, as there are some every year.
- staying healthy and fit
- improving my language skills in French
Yours sincerely, |
OK. |
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