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(Quotes from Ed in Red)
meet again and worked for 6 hours. This time, [Name]
not here. Hence, three beginners are responsible for the processes. We
out the exercises and take the hot seat and manage a process in turns.
experience might be useful for new Tribes.
- Our member who took the hot seat the previous meeting reports a
positive change in her life; several friends, who do not know about TTP,
tell her that she has changed somehow. She is happy about the changes.
Several facts that she report reproduce your description in the TT book
also reports on the FAQ: she reports "living in the now", not worrying
the future, less engagement in drama offered by others and substantially
increased sleep quality.
- One of us brings the issue “not being able to say no” to the hot seat.
With strong support from us, she develops a form that we already know and
reaches the zero point. All participants feel the release of tension and
joy. After completing the form, I ask her if she wants to repeat it. She
does it; the form is somehow bland, weak and empty. Furthermore, our
is also weak, non-enthusiastic, passionless. I do not find the energy or
will to support her with more intensity.
We conclude that receiving is
an echo from the sender: if she generates just a pastel sound, the echo
also pastel. She sustains that she is ready with the issue and feels
then ask her if she can still say no if somebody says “please, please,
be bad to me”: she doubts, starts scratching her arm ... and we start
With our support she repeats the previous form and completes it again.
she is done.
- I also manage the second process. The participant has no special
and she agrees to take the hot seat to overcome her fear of showing
feelings. Her form is to cry and laugh at the same time. We encourage
feel it more intensively, but it does not work. I ask her about her
now, and she reports a warm chest.
I ask her to increase it, and the
stops for a second time. The next feeling is “nothing”; she feels
and stares at the distance without expression. I explain the concept of
happy judge and ask her if she wants to work further. She agrees. We
encourage her to feel nothing.
It is quite difficult to me to figure out
to encourage her to feel more of nothing. We work a lot, very intensively,
to help her feel even less of nothing, and I try the whole time to
out how to increase the feeling of “nothing”. I shout and yell and smash
hands against the chair and finally realize that she needs, well,
I then ask her to freeze the feeling and to feel absolutely nothing for
long as she wants. It finally works: she starts smiling and tells us “it
wonderful, like Nirvana!”. She learns that she can reproduce this
any time she wants. We agree to work on "warm chest" and "crying and
laughing" the next time.
- I take the hot seat with a personal issue. The receivers encourage me
I develop a wild, very physical form, but I cannot do it further. I do
feel well supported, I perceive uncertainty or even fear from the
I interrupt the process and tell them that; they confirm their lack of
confidence. We discuss the issue briefly, until I realize that they help
fulfill my intention: I am the Chief and somehow I want to show that I
more TTP than they and can manage a process better than two girls.
have reached my goal and now we can start working seriously. I show the
form again; they support me as they have learnt, by cheering and
certain body parts or motions; however, I cannot develop the form
Their support does not work. I stop the process again and consider it.
Hmmm... I ask them to start supporting me differently: no yelling, no
cheering, just support like a mother does when she observes her child
They both have children and understand what I mean. They then
proceed to support me very softly and gently, while I yell and shout and
go into contortions and bang my head against the couch and hit it with my
do it for a while and am covered with sweat. I stop.
The receivers ask
I want to feel more of this feeling. I am intrigued and very interested,
say that I probably cannot do it, because I am exhausted. One receiver
exactly what I need to hear: “You are a marathon runner, you can resist
more than this”. Right. I start again shaking wildly and hitting the
and then ... BANG! An explosion of joy, pure happiness! I feel exactly
child smashing his hand in the mud and enjoying it.
I am playing,
loud in a new way. It is, in fact, another form of joy, I cannot
feeling this way before. “Pristine joy” is an accurate definition. But
shortly after that, I feel extremely sad and sorry and start crying,
repeat “I just wanted to play”.
I cannot stop it. I feel intrigued by
feeling. The receivers ask me if I want to get into this feeling, and I
I repeat “I just wanted to play” several times and adopt a embryonic
position, breathing hard. I interrupt the process and we are all
and do not know how to proceed further. The form “I just wanted to play”
seems to be related to childhood, since I weep like a child.
that only one of the receivers adopts the role of an angry mother and
me. As she does it, I start crying again and repeating “I just wanted to
play” and get wild, I shout at her “you are going to beat me” and start
kicking in the air. We are obviously on the right path, but walking in
wrong direction. I stop again and ask her just to be nice to me, a child
maybe breaks some valuable good, but his mother is not angry and only
to know what happened.
We start again, she explains me that she is not
beating me and that she loves me. And suddenly, I understand ... and start
laughing very loud. It is quite funny! It is so stupid. It is certainly
silly idea to authorize a child to play soccer in a greenhouse and then
scold him because he breaks a window ... and to repeat the procedure
I have several conclusions about the meeting.
- We learn that receiving is an art, that women and mothers receive
differently than, let's say, Prussian cavalry sergeants, and that our
needs to develop its own style.
- I introduce using hand signals by the sender (“thumbs up”, “stop
provide feedback to the inexperienced receivers. This way, the receivers
increase supportive behaviors and stop doing things that irritate the
sender. We can use these signs until we develop our own support style.
- This time, we do not have drums. They are not essential to the
since our girls prefer it quiet. I do not miss the drums during the
but I feel that they can be very helpful at the end, to find a common
We meet again next week. We have applications from one further woman and
man. This makes us different from the usually male TT setting and makes
very experimental project. I keep you informed.
Thank you for sharing your process.
You might consider taking your feelings about <wanting to be in control>
to Tribe as an entry point.
Emotions, like Unruly Troops
tend to rebel
Saturday, August 30, 2008
Fairfield County, Connecticut Tribe
Attached is a Trading Tribe Information Document for the
formation of a tribe in Fairfield County, Connecticut.
Please look us up
if you are ever in the neighborhood!
August 27, 2008
for my 30-th birthday, my sister asked me what gift do I want. Then
I said her I want the TT Book. I finally received it last Thursday, and I
spent one of the best week end for a long time by reading it.
I do affirm it's the best gift I have till today in my life. Thank you,
1000 times thank you for sharing those unexpected solutions and unusual
way to improve ourselves.
By reading it, I had some Aha, and understand more things inside me
about taking nap.
The example may be
insignificant for the TT, but it
seems to be interesting for me.
I discovered that I have a k-not when I want to take a nap. Actually, I
have a bad feeling when I'm sleepy around 2:00 pm. Because in [Country], taking
a nap is for "lazy" people so it's not good. I think that the form is
that I wrinkle my lips: the down one pushing the up one after yawning,
and I'm saying "not again, not at that time, be ashamed ..."
Then if I nevertheless took the nap, when I wake up I feel ashamed and a
bit anger (by wrinkle my lips and move my head from the left to the right
many times). I don't feel proud of me so that I do know the positive
intention of the nap.
What is strange is that my conscious mind definitely know the benefits
by taking nap: my mind is clearer, I understand better the problems I
have to deal with, I feel more at ease.
From now on, I have to follow my desire to make a nap. No, it's not bad
at all when I yawn around 2:00 pm. The first winner when I take a nap is me.
Furthermore, my grand parents and parents used to say and still say that
"Wisdom is the Greatest Wealth a man could have". But I have not
understood exactly and precisely what this word means. They don't
explain it as Mr. Seykota explains it.
In my mind, Wisdom was quite vague without accurate meaning even though I
feel a strong belief that I have to look for it. Now, I know what it
means, and the more I think of it, the more I totally agree with Mr.
Thank you to show me the steps where I have to pass
to the direction of Wisdom. Steps I ignored before.
I tried to define Wisdom by comparing myself to my close persons, but it
was not satisfying, it lacks something I couldn't say with words.
Thanks a lot for the TT Book. Thank you very much. More than ever, I
believe that Wisdom is the greatest wealth a man could have. Nobody can
offer me Wisdom, I have to manufacture it with my experiences.
Thank you for sharing your process.
Taking a Nap
can help keep
Wednesday, August 27, 2008
I don’t believe in ‘fate’ in the terms that it is outside of our
control. I believe our conscious and unconscious intentions guide the
path we end up following.
This week several ‘coincidences’ that when I add together and recognize
that I created give me the answer to an important question.
1. I get an interview at a prop trading firm in [City] and I’m not sure
if I want the job (if it were offered) or not.
2. I start to read a book which features a chapter on Taleb
distributions, in it, it discusses the pattern of short term trading as
many small profits that are interrupted by rare large losses that each
time are put down to being an ‘exception’ rather than an inevitable part
of that type of trading. This is common sense to me.
3. I visit www.Seykota.com for the first time in a couple of months and it
reminds me that longer term trends are what I should trade and that my
real goal is right livelihood.
These three events seem to be getting me to acknowledge what I already
Short term trading is a mug’s game. I know that even if I do well for
months or years it is likely I will blow up at some point. I know that
short term trading and moving to London is not conducive to the right
livelihood I seek.
I intend to go down and enjoy the experience and enjoy time with a
friend down there. I will then come back and carry on on the path I know
will work best for me over the longer term.
Thank you for sharing your process.
August 26, 2008
Thank you for all your insight and experiences.
saying is "when the student is ready the teacher shows up".
I have been purging unneeded possessions - my
previous "should's and should-not's."
feel more in tune with my true self. I feel happier. I feel energized. I
feel released of old baggage and much lighter.
The sinus cold /
headache that has felt like an elephant standing on my head
is almost resolved today.
I have noticed my feelings of abandonment have evaporated, as well as
feelings of rage toward males.
I feel more loving.
Today I even gave my ex a new
to replace the [unpleasant] experience from before.
Thank you for sharing your process.
Tuesday, August 26, 2008
Hello Mr. Seykota,
I was browsing the Internet
recently. I came upon your Wikipedia webpage of quotes. It has changed
the way I see and experience my emotions. It took me a while to embrace
some of my emotions. But, your webpage of quotes
has given me a complete modus operandi to be at one with my emotions. I
am an electrical engineer, but was a former mechanical engineer.
professions seem to need to manage and reconcile with their emotions to
some degree, more for some lines of work and less for other lines of
Emotions are not even an issue at all for some lines of work.
There is no major harm done by an accountant or a lawyer. So what if
they fail. There is nothing critical about their blunders most of the
time. If a chef adds a bit more spice by mistake, he is not going to
Other lines of work are not so tolerant of failures at all.
Here, we need to be at one with our emotions to execute things well.
Certain professions do require us to walk the tight rope without any
room for failing.
For example, any misstep by a doctor can kill the
patient. Any mistake by an engineer can topple an expensive project,
life-threatening especially if it's civil engineering work. I am sure
your profession requires you to be walking on the edge all the time.
are much more exposed to your emotions than most of us. I thank you for
the insights you have given on your Wikipedia webpage of quotes as it
has helped me.
I read that you had a temporary case of sadness.
All things are temporary.
The good never lasts forever. So, the bad
never will too!
Most people forget this. Spirits lapse and spirits
return. I hope you will tend through it. This is what I have learned. I
thought to share it. As for the positive intentions, I believe sadness
makes us empathetic as human beings to understand what others are going
through and thus causes us to do social work in an attempt to heal the
Yes, there is always someone worse than us.
Of course, there is
always someone better off than us. Who cares about them. LOL. We are
always in the middle of the wide spectrum of all possible circumstances.
Some people may have been dealt an hard card or the wrong card in life.
When I have a temporary case of doldrums, I always remind myself the
discipline of gratitude, to not take things for granted and be thankful
for what I have.
There are people who have been wiped out and left with
nothing by an hurricane. And, we think our situation is worse. I
remember when my shoulder hurt constantly all day and night long for
I said to myself if this shoulder pain ever goes away, I
will never take each day for granted and enjoy it to the very fullest.
That's the positive from my past shoulder pain. The discipline of
gratitude seems to be a good "cure" for the temporary doldrums.
If we try hard
to find something to be grateful, we will never feel down or at least
eases the transient slump. I am grateful to be healthy. Health is
something money can never buy. Hope this finds you well.
TTP we view feelings as indicators with positive intentions - not
particularly good or bad or better or worse.
TTP we strive to experience our feelings in order to create alliances
August 26, 2008
I am reading the FAQ since 2003. I find some issues which you may want
18.may.2003: effects or affects?
19.may. 2003: The name of the author is Castaneda (not Castenada)
9.june.2003: the name of the contributor appears
3.jul 2003: the name of the contributor appears (after reporting three
of these, I feel like some fiscal agent)
1.march 2003: The correct spelling of this philosophical sentence is “soitanly”.
Thank you for the catches.
August 25, 2008
I read that the common technique on the hot seat is to address a
(i.e. "I cannot follow my system") and identify the feelings related to
("right now, I feel pain in my back").
You report that symptoms may
disappear after the hot seat. I imaging addressing directly a symptom
"I have a back ache for weeks" or "I have a cold right now") as an entry
I think about several possible ways of managing the process
more cold" or "how do you feel about the cold"). I am glad if you tell
your ideas about using symptoms as entry points or if you can report an
Thanks for your help.
Yes, you can view just about everything as a symptom of something or
Monday, August 25, 2008
I have to share with you an awesome experience that I had today that is
directly related to the work that I did in the workshop and the help
that I received from all of the participants.
I don't think I could have
asked for a better scenario to present itself.
Scenario: I went to a local car dealership to take my wife's car in for
service. While I was there a friend of the family, who happens to be a
car salesman at the dealership, stopped me and asked "When was I going
to buy a new car from him to make him happy?", he did this in front of
his sales manager.
Ed, it was absolutely amazing - in the past I would have felt extremely
uncomfortable, pinned in a corner with no option, dodged the question
and made excuses on why this is not the time to by a car, for all sorts
However this time, I didn't hesitate there was no anger,
frustration or discomfort in my response. My response was
extremely simple: "I am not here to make you happy, I am here to get my
wife's car serviced".
That was it.. and I felt GREAT!!!!! Then we talked
about some personal stuff and went our separate ways.
I want to thank you and everyone that participated in the workshop that
helped me to work through these feelings and helping me by providing me
several resource rocks that I am using in my daily life!!!!!
Ed: After the meeting I asked you to mentor me in my trading business,
however I have not provided you with any information of where I am in
the process or what I am wanting to accomplish. I am currently refining
my trading processes and will provide you a comprehensive overview of my
trading model and business plan when I have fully debugged the daily
Thanks again and have a great day.
Thank you for sharing your process.
Experiencing and acknowledging it
sets you free.
Ed on the
Thanks for openly sharing with us your feelings: sadness,
disorganization, denial, anger, longing, feelings of worthlessness and
lack of joy.
Most "traders" I know want to maintain an outward image
of calm and cool ... especially those "trading gurus" (who write books
about their special indicator or holds trading seminars) who must
maintain an impression that they are the grand master and know
It is refreshing to know that, even a great mechanical trader like
you, are still human, and even with all the accomplishments that many
of us can never dream of achieving, you can still have feelings of
worthlessness. You impress me with your honesty, and I just want to
let you know that I wholeheartedly appreciate it.
Some random thoughts I have these days (even before your sadness
posts) is that I seem to be able to trace many of my "negative"
feelings to sadness. The fear, jealousy, anger - all seem to come from
sadness that we as humans inherently tend to avoid. On the other end
of the spectrum, there is the constant "pursuit of happiness." Those
two seem to be the two fundamental sources of emotions, and it's like
our DNA is to have us crave for one like honey and avoid the other
In the Tribe of Humanity, I feel that you are our brave vanguard who
is leading us to a peaceful resolution with the feeling of sadness,
and if there's anything I can do to support you with these feelings, I
feel that it is an honor if I can provide you with any help
I sincerely hope you can come back and share with us with
the insights you get about sadness - a feeling that everyone has
experienced but seeks to avoid. My hunch is that there must be somereal gem within sadness that only the brave ones can find through
fully and unreservedly experiencing and embracing this feeling.
Thank you for your support.
often inhabit the hot seat during Tribe Meetings - and I credit the
Tribe with promoting my on-going personal growth.
I am reporting
this particular issue in some detail as it seems to be of general interest the Tribe at
issue is about the drama of "paddleball" relating. I recall
symptoms going back to early childhood.
Symptoms: when my
mate is close, I repel - when my mate is away I attract. I have
feelings at both extremes of the cycle - that generalize in my throat,
arms, face and stomach.
work on this issue over a course of a few weeks in several excellent
Tribes help me see that the dynamic is a result of the interaction of
two medicinal patterns, namely: medicating feelings of closeness with "push
away" and medicating feelings of loneliness with "tractor beam."
The Tribe helps me work through these feelings, convert them from
adversaries to allies and learn their positive intentions.
The Tribe also helps me develop and implement various new resources,
Consider more dimensions of the relationship - such as: degree of compatibility
of interests, alignment on common livelihood, similarity of language and
thought patterns and commitment to mutual
Respond to closeness by supporting
closeness; respond to distance by supporting distance.
Allow a relationship to be exactly the way it is - not trying to
change it, or the other person or myself.
Implement pro-active relationship management strategies: monitor
feelings and report experience in the now as things go along - in a
am consciously aware of using these resources and getting different
particular, I am noticing the
"paddleball" behavior is attenuating.
am aware of some other differences in how people are
instinctively relating to me - so perhaps I am also making some
beneficial shifts on a subconscious level.
feel great gratitude for my Tribe members and great respect and admiration for all the Tribe
members who continue to show up for Tribe to support each other in
Fun for one ...
and not so true for two.
What He Wants
I am dropping by to
remind you that you always get what you want.
Lately I myself have been
looking for and finding inner peace and emotional healing through
I have a great intention for myself: to be happy and nurture a
happy family with a lovable spouse. I believe that spirituality is the
cornerstone of everything.
On August 2-3 I attended a spiritual meeting
of the [Spiritual Group] movement in my hometown. It
was great. I witnessed several healings and I myself felt great inner
peace, relief and joy.
There'll be another one in
[City] next month. I am eager to participate again. The preacher
conducts prayers much like [his mentor] who influenced his work.
and God bless you!
Thank you for sharing your process.
Sunday, August 24, 2008
I have a recurring pattern when watching movies.
I well up, throat
constricts - feel like
crying every time the focus of the movie does the right thing or learns
the lesson he hasn't
What would you say is the positive intention of this feeling.
You might consider taking the feeling of <welling up> to Tribe as an
Sunday, August 24, 2008
Thanks for hosting the tribe meeting last week.
I’m experimenting with web sites and my feelings about them.
Towards that end, I posted my notes on my hotseat (and I vague sketch of
yours) on my blog.
I haven’t announced me blog and don’t have many readers yet, so now
would be an excellent time to tell me if I wrote too much about you.
Below is an excerpt as notes for your FAQ.
I meet regularly with my local Trading Tribe. This week though, I am at
the Tribe meeting at Ed Seykota’s house. We gather in his living room
overlooking the lake. A drumming circle leads off the meeting and I
enjoy the rhythms and variations as the tribe plays together. My initial
nervousness dissipates and I become present in the moment.
Ed takes the
hot seat first. A tribe member does a masterful job of leading the
process and the rest of us provide support and encouragement. Ed gets
into his feelings by showing their forms, starting in the chair and then
moving to the middle of the living room floor. The process manager leads
him to stay with and repeat the feelings that Ed doesn’t like until he
becomes comfortable with them. As Ed begins to enjoy it, he gains
insight - the message of his feelings. He identifies and practices new
behaviors to help him move forward.
I take my turn on the hot seat as dusk descends on the lake. My issue is
that IN SEEKING RIGHT LIVELIHOOD, I JUMP FROM ONE THING TO ANOTHER, and
I WANT MORE FOCUS. Before I think I’m finished talking, Ed catches me
making broad sweeping gestures with my arms and tells me to get into
that feeling, make it bigger. Mid-sentence, I just get into the form,
repeating the gesture as the tribe shouts encouragement. Then I smack my
palms together, enjoying the sound of it reverberating through the room.
Ed asks if I remember a time when someone hits my hands as a kid. I do -
an organ teacher. The teacher started out smacking my mother’s right
hand during her lesson. I ran out of the house into the snow. When my
lesson came, the teacher smacked my right hand also. <digression on
whether I lack musical talent or was any hope of it smacked out of me?>
I clap a little longer, but the real thing I want to do is a sweeping
“ta-da” gesture. So I do that, repeatedly. Ed asks “what it’s about?”
and I say that I want a large audience clapping and cheering. “Who’s
approval do you want?” My father’s. “How do you get your father’s
approval?” I TRY TO PLEASE MY FATHER BY LEARNING SOMETHING NEW. Ed
points out that trying to please him by learning means I have to keep
switching areas to keep having new stuff to learn.
I can’t seem to show what it feels like to try to please my (deceased)
”How does it feel if you stick with something beyond the point of new
learning?” Ed asks. I say I feel bored, empty, could fall off my chair
“So fall off”, the tribe encourages. I do it in slow motion so I get a
gentle landing on the hardwood floor.
Once on the floor, I find my way to show striving for my dad’s approval.
I reach out from the floor up the hardwood steps to Ed’s dining room. I
grab the top of the steps with my fingertips, fake-try to pull myself
up, but the floor is smooth and my hands perspire, and eventually my
hand slips away. I tell myself a familiar story of adventure: hanging
from a cliff, my hands slipping, how will I climb? What fun drama! The
tribe shouts encouraging me to crank up the intensity. I do,
grabbing … slipping … grabbing … slipping, faster, faster, faster. I am fully
into it - reaching and slipping away as fast and hard as I can. It feels
really good in my shoulders but THE HARDER I GRAB, THE MORE I SLIP AWAY.
No matter, I repeat over and over with different hands.
Bam! My right hand hits the lower step and I feel a blood vessel pop at
the base of my thumb. Ouch! The swelling is almost immediate. I want to
continue the process but don’t want to do myself lasting harm so I ask
for ice. Ed checks my hand and brings me an ice pack.
While I nurse the thumb I recall playing as a child,
making blanket forts, pretending to be a soldier or explorer coming back
alone to camp injured for rest. Ed has me get into the feeling and I
curl up in a ball around the ice pack and rock myself back in forth.
Ed shouts for me to really get into it, and to help me he stands over me
beating a drum. I feel the pain intensely, exquisitely. Ed shouts at me
“This is your real livelihood, enjoy it. That stuff on my website about
Right Livelihood, that’s for other people. That’s not for you. This is
what you do - enjoy it!”
This then is my real livelihood: CHASE A DRAMA IN WHICH I GET HURT, then
set it up so I AM ALONE TO ROCK MY WOUNDED SELF. Rinse and repeat.
Eventually I tire and stop rocking. I’m still on the floor, and the
tribe helps me get comfortable with my feelings via lighthearted
discussion. I don’t know much time has passed but its fully dark
outside. I don’t exactly know what I’ll do next but I think I’ve made
enough good progress tonight to digest over time.
Thank you for sharing your process.
Sometimes a Thumb
can be a Swell Metaphor
August 23, 2008
Hey Ed, I came across this quote from Ayn Rand's student, Leonard
Peikoff, regarding time. I thought you might find it interesting how he
puts his view of timelessness at the universal level in such concrete
terms. Is this the way the system model views time?
Time is a measurement of motion; as such, it is a type of relationship.
Time applies only within the universe, when you define a standard — such
as the motion of the earth around the sun. If you take that as a unit,
you can say: “This person has a certain relationship to that motion; he
has existed for three revolutions; he is three years old.” But when you
get to the universe as a whole, obviously no standard is applicable. You
cannot get outside the universe. The universe is eternal in the literal
sense: non-temporal, out of time.
Leonard Peikoff, “The Philosophy of Objectivism”
lecture series (1976), question period, Lecture 2.
Peikoff supplies a definition of time and a scope for that definition.
TTP, we hold that everything occurs in a continually evolving moment of
now and that time does not exist, except as a concept.
The concept of time is particularly useful to the current crop of
politicians as they invariably park their promises in the non-existing
future - and assign blame to the non-existing past.
Note: Ron Paul, the Libertarian and arguably the Objectivist candidate,
typically speaks in the present and proposes pro-active solutions.
is able to gain traction with only a few percent of the voters.
hold that this tells us more about the current state of our country than
it tells us about the candidate.
I found out about your trading first in a book through the interview by
the author of with you.
I got interested in your background so I found out about your tribe.
I live in Las Vegas and checking out the local tribe info I discovered
that one of my colleagues attended it when it was up and running.
I have read your TT book.
I am crazy about trading for about 3 years since I discovered it.
I am obsessed by finding a profitable
way that also fits my temperament.
I have a $100 k account that I set up for learning. I am not ready yet
to be profitable.
I just recently started to see trading as placing bets with favorable
chances combined with an appropriate risk / reward ratio.
Of course this is just the surface.
I feel lost most of the time, I'm lonely and I feel I don't have
likeminded people around me. I want to find out more about me: I want to
find the place where I'm happy and content,
where I don't need the success in trading to feel good about me.
I love the idea that you are trying to dig in deep, deeper than most of
the people ever go: like it is said by Socrates: "Unexamined life is not
Please let me participate in your meetings. I would make the commitment
to be there every other Thursday, I know that some people come from much
farther away then Las Vegas.
[Name of Tribe Leader] will be happy to give me a recommendation.
You are welcome to join the Incline Village Trading Tribe as a
pollinator for now, perhaps eventually as a regular member.
I wish to share recent
developments in my life that I partially attribute to your Trading Tribe
I have attended dozens and dozens of public hearings regarding formation
of environmental regulation relating to water. This involves lots of
travels across a big state and visiting small towns.
Early on, I suggested a certain basis for regulation. Five years ago, I
was overwhelmed by naďve do-gooders.
Yet I knew what I had proposed would be better than the alternatives
they passed at the local level.
I remained steadfast to my recommendations, until one day, I was
diagnosed with cancer. Suddenly, I didn’t care as much about
After a year of surgery and chemotherapy, I decided I would once again
try to help the do-gooders. I approached it with a more care-free
attitude and focused on living my intention rather than judging myself
I started attending meetings again and providing “public” input.
The do-gooders then convinced the State government to pass laws to
better substantiate their program and to defend against legal challenges
involving private property.
I was disappointed but I was undeterred. My intentions actually became
clearer. I figured after cancer I had nothing to lose, except to not act
in support of my intentions.
Over the last two weeks, I have witnessed the first set of do-gooders
finally suspend their 5-year old regulatory hornets nest. They are
coming around to my recommendations.
The second set of do-gooders is also reeling back now, and asking for my
guidance and input to form their program.
I am confident the third set is waiting in the wings.
I am an engineer by training and I had to learn politics. I have learned
Democracy is a very messy form of government.
At times, politics practiced in a democracy are the antithesis of SVOP,
honesty, and even fairness and equality that our constitution is so
I practice SVOP with politicians, regulators, board members, and the
regular man. I never compromise my intention for a short term result.
I am amazed the journey I have taken in this endeavor and really thank
you and the Tribe for giving me steadfast determination for living my
intention. We may make a difference that affects millions of people in
Thank you for sharing your process.
About Tribe Meeting
I'm thinking about you, and I'm curious how the tribe meeting went that
was scheduled for last night.
The Tribe assists me in experiencing feelings, gaining insights about
medicinal patterns, and developing new and powerful pro-active
feel gratitude, respect and awe for the skill and caring with which the Tribe
conducts the processes.
See above for more details.
August 21, 2008
Join a Tribe
I am seeking help in how to get involved with Trading
Tribe. I live in [City] and do not get a chance to travel
often. However, I would very much like to be a member of the Tribe and
am wondering what I can do to obtain that status. I am follower of you
and the other Trend followers out there that have been around the block
more than once. Also, I see and feel how my emotion takes over and
affects not only my trading and personal life, but my families as well.
It's not all about money, although it is nice to make a tremendous
living, but it is also about being at peace with myself. I have been
through some very tough times over the last two years and would really
like to become involved helping myself but reaching out to other traders
For information on joining and/or starting a Tribe see the Directory
August 21, 2008
I am curious what insights you gain from your process this day.
What are you feeling now?
May I ask what happened?
Thank you for sharing your process and emotions!
I am on a critical stage in my relationship now. My girlfriend feels
unhappy and thinks that she can’t count on me. She questions our
I begin to question our relationship as I think she overreacts. First I
feel sad, angry and hurt.
Good evening Ed!
One of the positive intentions of fear and sadness is risk control.
You might consider listening carefully to your girlfriend - and getting
her meanings and feelings.
She is likely to reciprocate.
Health is a Function of Communication
Touching your beloved
may support communication.
Thursday, August 21, 2008
After testing for about 2 years or so, I feel that I reach the point
where I am comfortable with my current equities trading system ideas.
you and the resources you share on your website are instrumental in
helping me get to this point.
I wish to share my research and findings
with you. Equities trend following systems that trade all available
equities are fraught with pitfalls in the testing arena and I spend
countless nights in working through these problems and coming up with
solutions on my own.
Ed, several emails back, you mention that equities
systems that trade all equities tend to "fill up" soon after start up. I
attempt to interpret this principle as best as I can and came up with
the following real world application to deal with this problem.
implement a purge function that sells off individual positions that have
not made a new price high within N days since the last price high. This
parameter sensitivity test is in the attached file
and illustrates the effectiveness of a purge
strategy in producing a MAR of .55 when using fixed fractional
volatility adjusted position sizing and core equity to determine the
equity base to use.
I allow cumulative portfolio risk to go close to
100% with a max margin limiter of 2X equity in this test. The second
file illustrates the system at different levels
of equity usage. In order to calculate the dollar amount to risk on the
next trade, I use a parameter I call "fractional core equity" which is
basically the following: fractional core equity=(totalEquity X
EquityUsageFraction) -totalPortfolioRisk which seems to work nicely.
method allows me to do the following 2 things:
1. Target the max
portfolio risk % I want and
2. Take all entry signals because of the
asymptotic effect of using core equity.
You will notice in the files I
attach that the system at times has 1000+ positions. I have run this
same test with a unit limiter, by maxing total individual positions at
around 400-500 (not attached) I can duplicate very similar results, but
taking every single signal produces the absolute best results, my theory
is this happens due to diversification.
MAR peaks at around .74 at 15%
equity usage but only produces 6.7% CAGR, 50% equity usage produces
18.3%CAGR and .59 MAR which feels in the right zone for me.
Ed, the word
document outlines my trading system rationale including portfolio
selection, entry / exit, money management and risk management.
review the files I attach and provide a critique of my current
development. I wish to push through to the next level in my trading
career and start working on building my own fund with your support.
also have interest in working on an original research project as
outlined on the associates program page; my testing skills at this point
are only in the equities asset class and I have a growing interest in
the volatility management aspect of my system.
I hope this email finds
you in good health.
Thank you. NB.
After unzipping the .zip file, you will find one folder which contains
all of the test result images and one HTML file. Place the folder and
HTML file into one folder on your desktop and double click the HTML file
to see the results.
Thank you for your report.
Your research seems about as good an any out there. I think you
a good tack.
I was there 30
minutes before take off they wouldn't let me on the plane. No other
plane to catch. Tough lesson but I feel its for the best. Thanks for all
the help. I will focused on my tribe's tribe work. Will send FAQ time to
time if there is significance. If you are ever come to [City] please do let us know and visit our tribe. We got
really committed members. Thanks for everything.
You might consider taking your feelings about <getting in late> to
Planning versus Goal Setting -
of Cyclic Feelings
I have been thinking about this further and here are some thoughts ...
A "plan" to build a bridge is a KNOWN OUTCOME in the sense that a
"blueprint" (or snapshot) can be made, because a "trained engineer"
(past tense because his training is in the past!) knows how to do this,
and "skilled" (past tense meaning demonstration of prior success) labor
can be hired to complete the job. It's a certainty that it can be done.
The know how and what materials to use are a given and implicit. There
is a process creation phase, engineering and design, and an
implementation phase, the building process.
A "plan" to drive from Incline Village to Reno is a KNOWN OUTCOME. You
know what resources you need, a working car, gas, and a "skilled" driver
that has directions or knows where to go.
A "plan" to have dinner with a friend is a KNOWN OUTCOME with known
resources and know how.
A goal is something with an "UNKNOWN" OUTCOME (the key is the word
"unknown") and uncertain know how and what if any resources are
Creating a blueprint or snapshot without any know how, just doing this
alone, after thinking about this seems a little silly don't you think?
This alone probably causes most of the problems right here. If the
blueprint is not correct you have zero chance of success.
Can you imagine the "average person" trying to build a blueprint for
building a bride and then trying to implement that in the real world.
That seems like a lot of drama and a huge waste of time and energy. The
odds of success without prior knowledge and training is probably less
than 1% and most likely less than 1% of 1%.
These are illustrations to the problems with goal setting and snapshots.
They are not meant to be perfect illustrations and encompass all the
specific aspects but they make the distinctions between the two very
clear. A "plan" is much, much different than a "goal."
I have many more thoughts on feelings and positive intentions of
feelings (which I think it total B.S) and how they are person specific
and past conditioning specific and extremely illusory based on your
prior conditioning. When I have more time I'll write to you about it.
For starters what are the positive intentions of feelings
of [wanting someone when they are away and not wanting them when they
Its seems a little silly and ridiculous if I make it this
clear don't you think? I wonder how ego plays a part in this?
This short example it is a perfect illustration of push, pull
methodology - and how the "feelings" you follow change and guiding your drama.
Where are the positive intentions
here in this example ????). I say it is all based on egocentric
There may be a positive intention but it is only to notice the futility
of your actions and to STOP doing them - which has nothing to do with
feelings in any way shape or form!
You may notice that your prior
conditioning fuels those feelings and actions on your behalf (a.k.a
conditioned responses (yes "past" conditioning which you are acting out
now)). Thus, we get unproductive REPETITIVE thoughts and actions - the
way you are holding them as positive intention just fuels these REPETITIVE
thoughts and actions more.
Again, more to come ...
your model, planning seems to apply to doing things you know how to do
while goal-setting seems to apply to things you don't know how to do.
The drama surrounding cyclic, push-pull behavior typically serves to
cover up, mask and medicate deeper issues.
TTP can help discover these issues and implement pro-active resources to
supplement and eventually replace medicinal reactions.
the case you cite, the drama of a push-pull / on-and-off relationship
might serve to mask deeper fears about getting hurt in an intimate
Implementation of (1) other forms of risk control, such as qualifying
potential mates and (2) other forms of relationship management such as
communication of feelings can come to replace push-pull as the dominant
mode of relating.
Chase the tide as it recedes
and then scurry back to safety
when a new wave washes up.
This is a proactive strategy
for finding fresh food.
When humans exhibit this behavior
they might be medicating
fear of intimacy.
August 20, 2008
in a While
Dear Chief Ed,
Hope all is well.
All's well, thank you.
August 20, 2008
The Whipsaw Song
The Whipsaw Song is great, full of "sound and fury," signifying
August 19, 2008
May the trend be with you ...
The Whipsaw Song
I play this video several times a week -- just as a reminder. THANKS,
Monday, August 18, 2008
Theories of Lift
NASA Website comment. There are many theories of how lift is generated.
Unfortunately, many of the theories found in encyclopedias, on web
sites, and even in some textbooks are incorrect, causing unnecessary
confusion for students.
I wonder if this supports your ideas? I thought you might like the
little interactive program.
notice since the appearance of my radial momentum website, and it's
refutation of the "curvature theory" of lift, the NASA site no longer
supports that theory.
the IV Tribe
Hallo Ed - wie geht's??
Sorry for the massive delay in writing the report - a lot is
happening - but we're here, now, so here's the report of my IV TTP
I am finally at Ed's house. After a few minutes of general talk
discussing various topics, we sit around the table and start the session
with a check in. I check in last. I feel tense around my upper body and
shoulders, I feel anxious about what is going to happen, and I start
talking about how I don't want to go first, how I always hesitate,
procrastinate, then miss an opportunity and feel disappointed with
myself and how this is my very issue I want to work on, how this makes
me feel more tense, anxious and hot.
You say that I am already going, so
I might just carry on. Ed is the process manager (PM). I describe more of
the feelings I experience in my upper body, shoulders, face, behind my
eyes and everyone encourages me to get more into those feelings. I can't
get too deep, so we do some role playing of a scenario in my office,
where I hesitate to approach a colleague.
We do some more role playing
and talking, I mention my girlfriend and how we've split (or how I was
dumped long distance over the phone!). The process is not moving along
very well though.
Then another tribe member asks how did I feel when I
realize I am loosing my girlfriend. I feel cold, heavy face and I do
more of that. This seems to hit a nerve and I intensify the feelings.
The other tribe member becomes the PM now.
I close my eyes, clench my
fists, start breathing heavy, and the tribe is constantly encouraging me
to do more. After some time of heavy work, freezing etc. I'm in a light
Ed asks if I recall a time when I felt similar [I was very
wary of this moment when on the way to your house, as I never managed to
come up with something from my past or childhood in previous session,
but ...] and without any thought I recall when I was a kid, I took apart
my dads radio to get to the speaker and see how it works.
My dad got
angry and hit me with a belt. I run away and jumped on a sofa but he
kept hitting me. Ed says I should do it right now, so I jump on Ed's
sofa and curl down in fetal position. PM is role playing my father,
talking and yelling at me. Other tribe members where constantly
encouraging me to do more.
PM got ( courtesy of Ed ) a belt and started
making a belt-hitting sound. That was my ultimate trigger! I started to
cry and felt a massive release of tension as I let go of any resistance
I feel in my body. Go with the flow in it's purest form! other tribe
member is role playing my girlfriend, Ed is drumming.
After a while - I
am done. I sit down and we start talking about the scenarios we role
played before. I feel different this time. It still not coming easy to
me to approach that colleague, or talk to my girlfriend, or dad, but I
definitely see what is the problem and how I don't communicate on a
In the scenarios from the past, the common denominator
was also that I trusted someone and they turned against me. I am afraid
now to connect with people, as this might happen again.
that I lack the tools to 1) judge the emotional state other people are
in 2) manage the emotional relation.
We discuss possible ways I can behave in, even giving examples of
phrases I can use in order to start connecting more on an emotional
level etc. We practice, role play. I see now, by actually using the new
resources, how different the conversation feels. This also shows to me
how important practicing and working on it is, as I will take time to
adjust. I discover a new dimension of communicating, or at least i am
aware of it and I can consciously develop my skills.
We do a quick mini-checkout re my process, take a break, then the
session continues and 2 more tribe members go thru their issues.
Key observations for me:
- initial story telling, then role playing, imitating sounds etc. to
replicate the conditions where you felt the feeling you work on are
very, very helpful and effective in getting you to feel the feelings
- we did a lot of talking, but this is because people were very skilled
and effective at working thru physical feelings
- we switched PMs during the process, as this developed naturally, but
there was only 1 PM at a time, not 2
- rocks-lite and especially the resources you get are very helpful, as
you get something tangible and they get you on the road to improvement
so you don't feel lost
- there are no time constraint
- Ed might be a genius
Thank you and all tribe members again for making me feel welcome in your
house, for working with me, for the resources and the ability to
assimilate some good attitudes. Give my best to [Names].
How's the relationship modeling program going? Maybe you could consider
putting it on the web-site (as a java object etc) for all of us to play
and learn? and is the grass really green in the yard now? I hope the
I had a great time in California, made friends. Here, I'm very happy
with my new job, keeping fit, make music and enjoy the intensity of
If you're ever in [Country] or need something done in this part of the
world - just let me know ...
hope we'll meet again
Wishing you health, peace and prosperity - all the best!!!
Thank you for sharing your process.
The bruises and welts
may last a
week of two.
The internal scars
may last a
August 18, 2008
Report: 15 minutes = 3 months
during our first meeting, one member reaches the zero point. It is her
first contact with TTP, she has not read the book or the FAQ, we have
not even discussed the principles before.
After fifteen minutes on the
hot seat she resolves an issue lasting for over a year. Her issue is
"not being able to say no".
For several months she has recurrent health
disorders, fever, infections, beginning pneumonia, hear loss and
dizziness. Several doctors cannot find the reason. Her father, whom she
loves, and her mother are very ill; she has little children and feels
However, she keeps working in spite of fever and aches. On
the hot seat she reaches the zero point; she reports that her parents
teach her that work is the most important thing in life, but she
realizes that, for her, right now, family is more important.
conventional psychotherapy requires some 3-6 months for such an insight.
On Monday, she quits her job. Thanks to the social insurance in our
country, she is financially safe.
She does not know how things will
develop, but she feels that it is OK and looks forward for things to
come. She reports a warm feeling and I ask her if she wants to get into
it. She agrees and enjoys it like a little child.
restructuration of the company takes place and it is the ideal time for
her to leave. His boss loses a very valuable employee, but he understands
that her right livelihood is to support her family.
This email is our birthday present for you. I hope you like it.
Thank you for sharing your process.
First Tribe Meeting
our Tribe (2 women, 2 men, only two of us with trading experience) meets
yesterday for the first time. One of our members is the Chief of another
tribe; his help and experience are invaluable. We start with no
about the duration of the meeting; at the end, we work for more than 6
We carry out all exercises from the book, we all send and receive
turns and two of us take the hot seat. I am surprised and admire the
by their courage and motivation to work on themselves. At the end, it is
emotionally and intellectually exhausting; we are drained by the
We want to repeat it and further work on us.
1. I want to start with 4 members. After several weeks, we still are
three. But I get help via Unterfrednetzwerk: my secretary comments a
that her boss (me) is kind of mad and talking about a "trading tribe".
friend, instead of laughing about it, is very interested and, at the
2. During the exercises, I develop a form consisting of rubbing my eyes
the hands. I intensify it, but suddenly I just cannot do it anymore, I
feel stopped. During the checkout, my receiver reports being afraid that
hurt myself and stops receiving. In spite of my eyes being closed, I
somehow and also stop sending.
3. In our Tribe, women receive differently. They do not like to support
actively by speaking, cheering, or yelling, they beat their drums and
let's say, just receptive. For me as manager it causes some problem,
am not aware of their degree of engagement in the process.
4. A member on the hot seat experiences problems to reach an issue and
stopped several times before reaching the zero point. I am the process
manager. As we try for a third time, my children start playing in front
the room. I get distracted and cannot receive. Finally, we decide to
the process. I observe the timely intervention of my children to
the process of an unwilling sender.
5. I enjoy receiving a lot. At the end, I ask the sender if it was OK or
I should do things differently. He suggests that the feeling of "asking
people if I do it right" is a nice entry point for our next meeting.
he knows me just for a couple of hours, he points precisely at a pattern
me. As Spock says: "fascinating".
Thank you for sharing your process.
Doing Things The Right Way
can be a way
to implement risk control.
August 16, 2008 10:05 AM
I want to share with you my recent concert trip. I go to the “Return to
Forever” show with the Flecktones as the warm up band. “Return to
Forever” is Chick Corea, Al Dimeola, Stanley Clark and Lenny White,
enough said! This show is fantastic! Check this link:
Then if you need a reminder on Bela fleck check this link:
The surprise to me is Stanley Clark on base he is amazing! They all are,
but Stanley is the treat for me. I remember watching these guys play
music and thinking the only thing that can make this better is if Ed is
here watching with me. Maybe we can schedule a concert to watch?
At the workshop, the banjo playing is a treat I will remember, I love to
hear you play. I wonder what the miniature banjo cases are that I
remember seeing at the workshop?
Thank you for all your work!
Thank you for the links.
The small banjo case (about 1 foot long)
contains a miniature working banjo - that I produce after asking if
the audience wants to hear "a little banjo music."
Wants to Help
I see from your post that you are
hurting for some reason. I don't know what happened but I have a feeling
these videos will help. I hope I am correct and I hope these links work
when you click them.
If you need anything else please do not hesitate to contact me.
Thank you for your offer. I am currently converting my "pain" to
insights by seeing its positive intention.
I have noticed that
geographical Tribes are somewhat limited, many who
would join are too far from a meeting location to make it practical.
Have you considered virtual meetings?
Voice and text over the internet?
The trading group I participate in has an Adobe room in which all can
talk, text, project their desktops, and, even use whiteboards.
I don't know if the dynamics of a Tribe might be ruined by being virtual
but thought I would ask your thoughts on the matter.
Seems like a way to expansion.
PS our group is from 4 countries and 12 States! I can arrange a test
if you care to.
Virtual meetings by internet hookup certainly provide value -
particularly for communicating facts and figures.
TTP processes, such as require the healing
field of acknowledgment, seem to work best when members are all
TTP, like Sex, Works
to some extent by internet connection,
best by close personal contact.
I just want to touch base and let you know that I'm I thinking about
you. Someday I'll have the money to actually have my stops in place so
there's nothing left to do. Until then I just watch. I'm sad I missed
the dollar break out. I'm happy I knew it was setting up for a run.
Do you think you can be doing everything right and still feel like
you've just been punched in the gut and your breath has been taken away?
Thank you for sharing your process.
You might take your feelings about <punching in the gut> to Tribe.
In Order To Receive the Punch
you have to arrange
to get your stomach
to the right
at the right
I recently received an email from a lady I met during a train trip. A
complete stranger giving out a self-assured impression - turned out
rather interesting, she was so astonished by our conversation that I
asked her to write in detail her impressions. She didn't do exactly what
I expected but here it is.
I would like to thank you very much for everything you said. I stepped
onto the train as the most self-deceiving person on earth. I now admire
you for even wanting to talk to me. I think about what you told me on
the way home. You did something a whole staff of psychologists couldn't
handle for several years. It's a pity the trip lasted so short because I
wanted to travel with you to the end of the world. This was a magical
day and a piece of my heart belongs to you. I'll drop my mega defenses.
I'm 35 but as they say, it's never to late to start over. For now, I
have to fight my biggest battle with cancer - but I believe that I'll
make it. Then, I'll fight for my happiness.
Once again - thank you. With love"
See also added another mail an hour later:
"If you'd prefer me not to write anymore just let
me know - in case you want to, write back - I somehow miss you, I mean,
your spiritual support"
I've had some other feedback but this time I do the exception and show
it because I'd like to ask for a favor:
Please, don't take away from me what I believe belongs to me, even if I
make the mistake.
Thank you for sharing your process.
You seem to be opening your self to others and making connections.
Special Tribe Meeting
I like to be part of the special tribe meeting you are
about to be calling. I am available to travel and attend on time. Please
let me know if you need member.
Thank you for your support. I am scheduling for Thursday, August
21 at 5:00 PM.
Cheering People Up
You write: "Offers to "cheer someone up" or
otherwise medicate grief may inhibit the healing and insight process
that experiencing feelings promotes".
The same applies to diseases: I can use the symptoms to win insight
about a problem, or I can give the patient a pill to silence the
symptoms. I prefer the first approach. The patient may have his own
ideas about his needs.
I understand and agree with your reservation about "cheering somebody
up". During substantial losses or grief, my friends support me best by
just staying there with me and, yes, receiving and sharing my feelings.
Nobody tells jokes.
Our tribe (4 participants) meets tomorrow for the first time.
Yes, we have a choice: medicate or pro-activate.
can, in some situations,
interfere with healing.
I hope this meets you well. Thanks for your
dedication and pioneer spirit, those are the first two things that come
to mind when I have the intention to thank you for specific qualities
and practices that you manifest.
I would like to be removed from your site as the leader
of the [City] tribe, we have not had a meeting in over a year. I
appreciate your work and thank you very much. I am really involved in
music now, and I intend to play more and more and meet many wonderful
people and build connections with them along the way.
I am learning to play the harmonium.
Thank you again Ed.
Thank you for sharing your process.
Wants to Meet in the Future
I want to make an update of the process in the [Country] Tribe. We are
currently three people and are really happy about the progress. Trading
is only a part of our common interests. I have received a lot of ideas
regarding training lately. My friend introduced HIIT (High intensity
interval training) and it seems it is much more time effective than
other exercise models. We have come closer our goals and all of us are
really enjoying the meetings.
I keep on reading FAQ - questions frequently but am not up to date since
I read everything (lag of 6 months). I still look forward to meet you
some day in the non-existing future. I think you are the person I most
of all would like to meet. I keep on looking forward to it instead of
booking a trip to US. Next time in US has a clear mission!
Thank you for sharing your process.
Dear Mr. Seykota,
As I read your current postings regarding how you feel, I wish to
support you and help you. It is difficult due to the distance.
Hence, I increase my effort
to support and help people around me; I expect this support to reach you
somehow. If you feel that I can help or support you in any other, more
direct way, let me know (and if you feel that I am getting too esoteric,
I thank you for a hint).
With best regards,
Thank you for your wishes.
TTP we support each other by encouraging each other to experience our
feelings - and to transform them into insights.
Offers to "cheer someone up" or otherwise medicate grief may,
ironically, inhibit the
healing and insight process that experiencing feelings promotes.
One of the Positive Intentions of Sad
is to process information
about how to