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February 15 - 28, 2007
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Wed, 28 Feb
2007
Hedges Sell
Off
Hello Ed
That was some sell off we had today wasn't it?
Its the first time I have seen a market dump so swiftly from being so
high.
I started this morning with 62 open long stocks most of which have wide
stops from 15% up to 55% in some cases with my very small volatile
stocks.
So after watching the first hours action here in UK and deliberating how
to handle it, a few more down points convinced me to enter a partial
hedge
( around 20% of my long value ) in the FT-SE250 midcap index.
Later as more weakness continued to bash my account down about 5% I sold
a batch of FT-SE 100 futures, making a 60% hedge, and by 2pm still more
weakness convinced me to go market neutral with 100% hedge. This last
hedge was done with the German MDAX Futures.
So after feeling real fear-awe-shock etc. for the first time in ages, I
patted myself on the back for remembering to be disciplined and went out
to my table tennis match after the market closed.
Some time previously I had left my pre-arranged hedge stops on the FT-SE
100 Futures with a 24 hour broker, and these were still in place after
my initial hedging of the morning. At about 8pm I received a text
message indicating I had also been filled on my short entry stop!
Wow, the Dow was in free fall and I was net short.
I am so pleased that I kept the discipline to place these emergency
hedge stops all those weeks ago, and I reckon tomorrow morning will turn
out profitable even though some of my longs are sure to be stopped out,
and I am expecting the FT-SE 100 to open a possible 80 points down.
Of all my 62 longs open, only one was stopped out during today and
because I have spent so many long hours choosing these stocks on a
combination
of technicals and funnymentals, I really don't like to bail out of them
all in a blind panic.
Instead I
enjoyed the gradually transition from long to short in those 4 stages
today, and think its a much better way than just to completely reverse
an entire portfolio all in one hit, when so often the market recovers in
a day or so, or I sell the low of the move.
The moves today were absolutely shocking, and I would be very interested
to know how other traders handled it. I closed the day with a loss of
around 7% on my portfolio which would have been about 11% had I not
shorted the indices. ( I am using a geared method, and was around
3.7 times geared long )
Now my portfolio is geared up 8.14 times, but the actual net gearing is
less than 0.4 (short) of the account size.
My risk is now all about correlation, and that was my reason for using 3
different futures contracts to hedge.
My moral is, even though there are only 4 position variables in trading:
Long, short, neutral, out, It's nice to slide slowly from one side of
the fence to the other instead of jumping straight over it in one go.
I watched the man who predicted the 1987 crash on Bloomberg today, again
predicting "its time to sell", and surprisingly Alan Greenspan commented
that the US could "slip into recession". This is most unusual to get
these calls while to markets are so very close to their multi year
highs?
Another very annoying thing about days like this, is that day trading
trend systems work phenomenally well, when mostly on more normal days
they don't perform.
As I am so busy protecting my investments, I never have time to make a
fast buck on these whammy moves when they are actually happening!
I can see there is more downside to follow, but the long term Dow and
SP500 charts still look pretty bullish for the long long term, so I am
not selling my long stocks until the stops hit.
Better to hedge, and enter into new shorts in companies that are suspect
in both technical and funnymental analysis.
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Thank you for sharing your
process.

The Essential Hedge for a
Falling Stock
is to sell that stock. |
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Tue, 27 Feb
2007
Commitment
Sir,
1. Please correlate, for me, trend following, the commitment of being a
trader and trading with a system.
2. I want to
be a trader with deeper commitment. May I request you to please guide me
in achieving to become a trader with deeper commitment ?
3. What are the, psychological, qualities / issues, that need to be
addressed, in the process of becoming a trader with a deep commitment.
4. Please help me in understanding the feelings of a trader with a deep
commitment.
5. I want to know, from you sir, the feelings of a trader with a deep
commitment and that of the other without it. |
You might consider
identifying any feelings that stand between you and following a system -
and then taking those feelings to your Tribe as entry points.

Commitment is not a Feeling
it is the willingness
to keep
your word
no matter how you feel.
Clip:
http://www.mondera.ph/store/Wedding/
Anniversary-Bands/Ladies-Plain-Metal/
14k-Yellow-Gold-Comfort-Fit-Womens-
Wedding-Band-3mm./ |
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Sun, 25 Feb
2007
Thoughts on Now
Ed,
I have Aha's in my mediation. Yes, They are now
memories in my mind and I am recovering them. I think
we are physically always in NOW. All of our
activities, either physical or mental, are also
happening in NOW. Yes, our mind can bring the memories
of past into its processor and process them NOW. Our
mind can also make up something for the future, reason
or project something into the future NOW. Whatever our
mind is doing, it is doing NOW.
I think that the reason we are concerning about this
is we want our mind to focus on things that are
currently happening, instead of wasting its energy on
non-existing future and useless memories of the past.
But we just have so many knots inside us, Fred and CM
are not in harmony. So our mind just can not focus on
things that are happening now, including its own
intentions. I think TTP can help us more and more stay
in NOW and help us to achieve
Intentions-Equal-Results.
Best Wishes, |
Thank you for sharing your process.

The Past and The Future
are cultural myths
Physical attempts to access them fail.
Attempts to explore them in novels
generate inconsistencies
and leave loose ends.
Clip:
http://filmjournal.net/danielstephens/ |
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Sun, 25 Feb
2007
Receiving
Ed,
I have a question with regards to receiving others. I practice receiving
others and over time I have become better at this and do not get
enrolled in other peoples drama so much.
What I do notice though is that
receiving can really irritate people, as in really get them going,
particularly my fiancée. I feel somewhat awkward about this sometimes and
wonder how to handle such situations and support someone who is not
aware of TTP to get into these feelings.
Regards,
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Trying to get people into their
feelings is process management. Accepting people the way they are,
including their not wanting to get into feelings is receiving.
You might consider taking your
feelings about wanting to control your fiancée to your tribe as an entry
point.

People Who Need to Be in Control
sometimes put themselves at risk
of losing it.
Clip:
http://www.eurosport.com/football/
premiership/2006-2007/sport_sto1103115.shtml |
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Sat, 24 Feb
2007
TTP Supports Birth
of a Baby and of a Company
Hi Ed,
I wanted to thank you and the IV Tribe for all of the support and great
work you did with me in regards to my preparation for the pregnancy and
delivery of our third son. I truly was
stuck but, as you may recall, you all helped me with a breakthrough and
I walked away with my ROCK!
I have been a foundation of strength for my family ever since. My son
was born via emergency C section after ten hours
of labor. The s--- the fan once again my friend, but we were ready
for it Ed! We got r done! We took it with as much stride as possible and
both baby and momma are doing terrific! She is healing very well
and very fast all things considered and our son is a happy and
peaceful young lad. I must admit he is pretty darn good looking too!
I can’t thank you enough. The TTP work we are doing at [Firm] is
truly revolutionary and we are changing the business and industry
of running money for the better. To boot - We are going to have a lot of fun doing it too and will help countless others along the
way!
Cheers Ed! I am looking forward to having you meet my family. Have a
fantastic weekend! |
Thank you for sharing your process.

Some Fathers Know
their role in childbirth
lasts longer than
a few conceptual moments.
Clip:
http://www.stressfree.com.au/
Resources/sophie.jpeg |
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Sat, 24 Feb
2007
Rock Star
Ed,
It just hit me while taking a shower this morning: the name “Peter”
comes from “Petros,” Greek for “rock.”
The thing is: metaphysically, Peter ...“rock”…represents “faith”…i.e.,
our individual belief systems. (Reference: Metaphysical Bible
Dictionary)
Also of interest: the Aramaic name for Peter, (which was truly in
Aramaic, not Greek) was “Kepa,” also meaning “rock.” Note the similarity
to the word “keep” – i.e., the thing we “hold” (faith … belief …“rock”).
I am delighted to be in the tribe. Thanks again for having me.
All the Best, |
Thank you for sharing your process.

Petroleum Calcinations
Clip:
http://www.alibaba.com/catalog/11530808/
Calcined_Petroleum_Cokes.html |
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Thu, 22 Feb
2007
Model Account
Hi Ed,
For your famous model account, how many different markets were traded?
Regards, |
FAQ does not reveal personal information or
offer specific trading advice or
recommend specific trading system parameters. See Ground rules. |
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Thu, 22 Feb
2007
Hoffman Process
Hi Ed,
You might like to take a look at this attached article from a magazine
called Psychologies (Mar07 issue)
It reads to me as though it has some resemblance to TTP / Rocks Process,
I thought it might interest you since until today I have never heard of
Bob Hoffman (process)
Extract from article…
“The days were filled with
demanding emotional tasks, from
journal writing and role-play through
to guided meditations and group
discussion. Through ‘expressive
body work’ (a way to release feelings
physically), I discovered that long-held
emotions were not just thoughts, but
stored energy. I was stunned to realize
the impact my past had had on my
physicality. My facial expressions
softened and, after the first few days,
I held myself differently. I started to feel
wonderful. I was shedding fearful beliefs
and old resentments. I felt as though
I was coming alive for the first time.”
Clip:
http://www.hoffmaninstitute.org/
process/about.html |
Yes, I can see some similarities -
also some differences. For example, in in TTP, we don't try to
"release" feelings so much as find their positive intentions.

Bob Hoffman
Hoffman's therapeutic model includes
the notion of "Quadrinity,"
the interplay of body, mind,
emotions and spirituality.
He also uses the notion of
"Negative Love"
and the equation;
adoption + rebellion = conflict.
Clip:
http://www.hoffmaninstitute.co.uk/intro.htm |
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Thu, 22 Feb
2007
Pre-Label Rocks Process
Hi Ed!
Here is a follow up on yesterdays Trading Tribe. Two people attended the
meeting. We had the following Tribe schedule:
1. Drumming
2. Check-in
3. Hot seat
4. Rocks Process with Role-playing
5. Snapshot Process
6. Trading Process
The first three steps had a very quick gone through. It has become an
easy process, even the hot seat. We seem to speak less nowadays and go
more into the forms. The receiver also says less than in the beginning.
After this introduction we went into our new area - the Rocks Process.
We had both written down rocks (on small papers). My rock said "The
Unaffected." I explained that I try to show a very rigid front, even
though I feel hurt.
This is an issue I have discussed, on the FAQ, a
couple of times (last yesterday). 1) I explained an old situation when I
responded to the situation with an angry attitude, and 2) role-played
the scenario. After that we came up with 3) alternative responses.
At
first I was very eager to try my latest snapshot to respond with
optimism, like "good" or "great". As we discussed these responses seemed
a little bit naive. My receiver asked my to validate the feeling and try
to explain how I felt instead.
This actually seemed to take care of
both my feelings, so I could let them go, and communicate back that I
don't approve of that behavior. 4) We role-played the situation a couple
of times with an increasingly clear picture of how to respond in
accordance with my objectives. 5) The new name on my rock is now
"Validate and communicate feelings".
Now we switched roles.
My receiver now became the Rocks introducer. He had written "Pleasing"
on his rock. He mentioned the moment this rock was delivered to him.
We
role-played the scenario, and came up with alternative responses (here
we are allowed to be analytical). After that we role-played the scenario
a couple of times. Then we moved to a situation when the rock was used
in a more recent situation. We role-played also this situation with the
initial scenario and in the new way without the "pleasing" rock.
We
didn't have time to give the rock a new name but I think it should be
something like "constructive" or "flexible".
The rocks process took quite some time in a positive way. We just ran
out of time as we progressed in the role-playing.
We didn't have time
for the snapshot process or the trading process but as we move on the
rocks process will probably go faster next time. It's too soon to say if
the rocks process has changed an old behavior, but it feels good and
that must be something positive. |
Thank you for sharing your process.
What you describe sounds like an
attempt to use rocks as props to support thinking about your
personalities.
The TTP Rocks Process is essentially
emotional and out of control and aims to re-program deep gut responses.
At the IV Tribe, we do not attempt
to identify the Rocks in advance or to apply labels to them. Medicinal Rocks
emerge naturally as form patterns during the Snapshots Process. We
then "heat them up" and clarify them through role playing.
You might consider taking your
feelings about being out of control to your Tribe as entry points.

Part of the TTP Rocks Process
includes going out of control
in order to identify
the Medicinal Rock
Clip: DOD |
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Wed, 21 Feb
2007
All Women Need is Money
This photo was taken at a competition in June. The competition was
between 9 women who had to have makeovers. They had every possible
beauty treatment available to them over a period of time. Look at the
before and after photos.

Conclusion: There are no ugly women, only poor women! If all women had
the money ... good grief!
See more examples. |
You might consider taking your
feelings about women to your Tribe as an entry point.
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Wed, 21 Feb
2007
Quotes
In FAQ it says, "quotes from Ed in Red".
Who are the other answers from? |
I put quotes from me from prior
FAQ's in red when they appear in the left column. I write the
entire right column. |
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Fri, 23 Feb 2007
Taking Responsibility for Feelings
Hi Ed!
I have mentioned some problems regarding interaction with my family. Now
I have come up with a snapshot of how I want to respond to emotionally
hard situations.
First I would like to present an analogy I have. At the
tennis court my
friend have inspired me in always praising the opponent of a good hit
when I miss (instead of complaining on myself). He didn't tell me to do
it but he did it, and it works out great for me. Now I can easily go on
to the next ball without caring for missed ones. This makes me a much
better tennis player, and I enjoy the game a whole lot more. I will use
a similar technique in my communication with people.
I realize that all my feelings are my own creation. If I'm feeling
uncomfortable, it doesn't matter what external reasons are out there,
I'm still the one to choose how to feel and respond. From now on I
always respond to difficult situations with a optimistic "good",
"perfect" or any other positive word. I can enjoy myself with figuring
out what actually is good about what I heard, and there always is
something. The point is that it is always my responses that makes the
situation feel awkward, not the other persons comment. If I respond in a
positive manner, it helps me stay on the right - livelihood track. I
will start by doing this now. My experience of being able to respond how
I want will evolve, I will slowly unknot this k-not.
By the way, I'm back in my trading system again and I have lowered the
SL-risk threshold from 50% to 30%. It was hard to enter the positions
again but it felt right when it was done. From now on I have one day of
the month to update my system, and the rest of the time I follow it. The
back testing will continue and the model will become more and more a part
of me. |
Thank you for sharing your process

One Group Recommends This
Device
to assist children to identify feelings,
as in "Today, Megan is feeling happy."
In TTP, we see feelings
rarely last a whole day
unless they are in a deep k-not.

Another Group Recommends This Device
to help children express how they feel.
In TTP we support people
expressing their feelings directly,
by developing and expressing forms.
Clips:
www.teachnet.com/lesson/misc/
feelmag042099.html
http://pbskids.org/clifford/shared/images/
printables/feelings_dial.gif |
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Fri, 23 Feb 2007
Post Workshop Feedback
Noticing the Positive Intentions of Feelings
After going through situation in which I honestly use emotional control
panel, my favorite benefit is feeling ownership of my actions. I find
this surprising. I rarely feel like this.
Recent case and new response:
I really experience fear (reasonably so) and anger (my blood boils) in
work situation (Boss's partner off charts disrespectful -- gut response is
to choke him).
I am ok with it (fear) for first time. I really hate
fear, but it is definitely a good thing. I stay with the emotions,
experience the forms, and express my emotions to individual in
reasonable manner. The issue dissipates.
The boss's partner is no longer
in drama with me. (seems like magic and something I never experience
before) He is now looking to experience emotions via drama with someone
else.
Oddly enough partner believes I did him a favor. I
experience the emotion and notice Fred lets go of the composite rock.
The process is simple, yet k-not easy.
My past software: intellectual wrangling, rationalization, emotional
explosions, occasional over reactions, jamming forms, manipulation
(make other feel emotion they don't want), is a waste of time (years).
Worse yet, none of the issues ever seem to dissipate and Fred just blows
on the fire. The world is a place of composite rocks when I won't
experience my forms.
I still have emotions that I really hate to experience, but this was a
wonderful experience in being "not stuck". I notice that acceptance of
my learning (knot being perfect) is also important to me.
Thanks much. |
Thank you for sharing your process.
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Fri, 23 Feb 2007
Associate Progress Report
As summarized in the action statement email I sent
last week, I’ve begun working on the TSP assignments
on Ed’s website. I have been working projects in my evenings and
weekends with a friend of mine. Our skills complement each other, with my knowledge
of finance and trading and his knowledge of computers
and coding.
I am happy to report that we have made good progress
on finishing the three TSP assignments by my
self-imposed deadline of February 25th. Attached to
this email, please find the exponential average
crossover TSP attached. We have matched Ed’s results
to the penny. One caveat is that since we are using
excel and VBA to build these models, we have not
created an optimization matrix. Personally, I feel
that the time achieving this in excel would be better
spent doing research for Ed or building these models
in a programming language where creating such a matrix
would not be so manually intensive. That said,
building these models initially in excel has been a
great learning experience, as it gives one a strong
idea of how the rules build on each other to create a
complete trading system.
Given the limit on the size of files that I can send
through email, I will forward my results on the second
TSP, the support and resistance model, in a subsequent
email. We have also matched Ed's results on this
project to the penny and plan to begin working on the
trend TSP shortly.
Obviously, I look forward to receiving any feedback
that you care to provide at this point in time.
Again, I cannot thank you enough for allowing
us to work on these upcoming projects. We have already found our
experience extremely fulfilling.
Regards, |
Good Job ! |
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Thu, 22 Feb
2007
Feelings of Rejection
Ed,
I like to report to FAQ my feelings of rejection.
Today I get an email for a local tribe leader, and the
email says that the local tribe has rejected my
application to join after I participate as an observer
for two sessions. At the moment I read the email, I
feel very upset and disappointed. I also feel
beaten-down, inferior, and sad. I feel that my heart
is beating faster, low side of my right stomach is
tight and pain, and my mind is blank and has no
ability to focus and think. I feel that I have desire
to cry.
I try to find the positive intentions of these
feelings. But when I have the desire to do so by
thinking and reasoning, I feel I can not get right
positive intentions any more. It might be just
positive intentions of these feelings that help me to
think and reflect about myself, TTP and feelings of
starting my own tribe. They also might motivate me to
move forward faster. Yes, they might help me to grow.
It is amazing that when I am writing my feelings and
thoughts, I also get my own answers. Thank you Ed for
giving us a space for us to explore our feelings and
to help us to grow.
I am not sure whether it is proper to public my email
communication with the local tribe leader. But I feel
strongly that it might benefit other FAQ readers.
Best Wishes. |
The Tribe leader may be considering
your willingness to experience your feelings. You might consider taking
your willingness to experience you feelings of rejection to your the
Tribe as "entry" points.

People With Rejection K-nots
typically set up dramas
to justify their feelings.
Clip:
http://www.editorrr.com/rejection_blog.jpg |
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Mon, 19 Feb
2007
Redbook on Feelings
Yesterday I picked up a magazine my wife has, the October 2006 edition
of Redbook. On page 254 there is an article titled "help kids feel good
about their feelings." It is about helping kids understand their
feelings and feel them instead of suppressing the feeling. Maybe the
tribes are reaching a critical mass like the 100th monkey theory.
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The Redbook article gives suggestions on
"anger management," "feelings training" and "cooling off"
as ways to make "bad" feelings go away.
In TTP we look for the positive
intention of feelings.
From Redbook:
To help
Isabelle cool off, Fleming, 38, got down to her daughter's eye level,
held her hands, and told her to breathe slowly. "Once Isabelle was
calmer, I helped her list what she was feeling," says Fleming. " 'You're
mad Rosie took the toy without asking. You're mad that she broke it. And
you're really mad because she doesn't care that she broke it.'" Listing
feelings in simple terms helps kids unravel the anger to its root cause
and make it manageable. Isabelle was able to resolve her anger by
telling Rosie just how bad she felt. -- Redbook - October, 2006 |
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Mon, 19 Feb
2007
Global
Warming
Hi Ed,
How are you?
In your reply to the post on Sat Feb 17th "Levitation Disk" you mention
the "new scientific method". As recent examples you quote global
warming. I am curious to hear your thoughts on the subject and the
recent increased media coverage. (which is just my perception, i don't
have proof that there is actually an increase in media coverage of
global warming).
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You might find that the amount of
"hot air" that politicians are recently releasing into
the atmosphere about Global
Warming seems to correlate nicely with Global Warming.

Skillful Politicians
really know how
to warm up a room.
Clip:
http://www.abm-enterprises.net/
free-ipod-video.html |
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Mon, 19 Feb
2007
Violent
Interaction Between TTP
& Marriage
Counseling
Ed:
I was thinking of calling you to discuss the effect of TTP on my
marriage counseling (and marriage), but I ultimately decided that
posting an email would be beneficial for the collective tribe. This is
very difficult to convey via email for a number of reasons, but I am
going to give it a try.
As noted in my prior FAQ, my wife and I have been in couples
counseling for the better part of our nine year relationship and have
been through a raft of therapists.
Though the
relationship has steadily worsened over that period of time, we consider
our current counselor to be the best of breed. Though most of our
counseling sessions are hostile affairs, rife with accusation and blame,
we often leave impressed by her knowledge of psychological theory, and
her seeming ability to divine the many causes of our failed marriage.
Oddly, in
spite of the hostile nature of our counseling sessions, and despite the
continuing deteriorating of our marriage, we regard her as an
indispensable link holding us together. We place our hope in her ability
to fix us.
At the recent workshop in Reno I go through several TTP processes,
including the Rocks Process. Through those experiences I am reconnected
with many feelings I have grown to hate. I begin living in the moment. I
begin enjoying feelings typically labeled as "negative." I cease blaming
my wife for the way I feel, or my various problems at home or at work. I
begin a process of healing and living.
My first counseling session after the TTP workshop is attended without
my wife. Alone with the therapist, I tell her of my experience at the
workshop. I detail the theories underlying TTP. I note the myriad
changes since returning from the workshop. I share my feelings. First
she expresses surprise, and then states that she is glad that my
situation has improved.
She asks
how this impacts our counseling. I state that, apart from its
entertainment value, I am no longer interested in delving into the cause
of my feelings. I state that my goal is to accept responsibility for my
feelings, recognize and accept them, and use them as functional tools. I
ask her to assist in bringing my feelings out. She expresses willingness
to assist in my process. The session ends.
My wife and I attend the next session together. We talk about our
emotions, and take turns sharing and receiving. The session is
remarkably free of any hostility or drama. Though our counselor is
unusually quiet and uninvolved, my wife and I think the session is very
productive. It ends early (a rarity) and we go home feeling warm
toward each other (another rarity).
Over the next week I become enmeshed with problems at work. I experience
very strong emotions not fully experienced at the workshop, such as
anger, stress, and agitation. I work to accept and feel these emotions.
It is tiring without a supporting tribe, and I experience intense,
recurring feelings of fear and confusion.
As I struggle
with my feelings my wife begins to think I am purposefully withdrawing
my love. She clearly does not like receiving my feelings when they
are negative. She tries to manage my feelings in an effort to make me
"feel better" and re-acquire my attention and love. She does special
favors for me. She flatters me. She cooks special meals she thinks I
will enjoy. When I express negative feelings in spite of her efforts to
improve my emotional state, she becomes openly hostile.
At the next counseling session my wife is in full attack mode. She
denounces my efforts to experience my feelings, which she labels as
selfish disengagement from the family.
When I tell
her that I am simply trying to reconnect with my feelings, she states
that she is sick of my feelings. She states that I am making her
miserable by constantly endeavoring to feel my emotions. When the
diatribe ends, the counselor asks me to respond.
Though my
frustrations levels are high, I encourage my wife to share her feelings.
This produces a burst of insults and blame from my wife. I begin to feel
myself flooding with anger, so I consciously resort to my Rock. I tell
myself that I do not need to explode and leave the room (my past coping
mechanism), which I am feeling desperate to do. I choose to disengage
and listen.
To my
surprise, the counselor then attempts to counter my strategy and draw me
into the fray.
The session
goes something like this:
Counselor: Do you have a response to what your wife just said?
Me: No. My wife is blaming and attacking. I am happy to hear her
feelings, but I am not hearing anything right now but attacks. Right now
I am getting very angry and will not respond to attacks.
[silence]
Counselor: Have you disengaged? Where are you?
Me: I told you. I am willing to share feelings. But I am not responding
to insults and attacks.
Counselor: OK. Share your feelings.
Me: I am angry. I am frustrated. I get very angry when my wife rejects
my "negative" feelings. All feelings are important. I explained this to
her. But she is not receiving my angry feelings.
I am open to
feelings, but not attacks. I feel like this issue is more hers than
mine. All I am doing is feeling my feelings. My wife is trying to pull
me into a drama I do not want a part of.
Counselor: But aren't you now doing the same thing. Aren't you attacking
your wife. I am not sure where you are right now.
Me: I am right here.
[extended silence]
Counselor: Where do you want to go with this?
[growing
frustrated]
Me: I am right where I want to be.
Counselor: Do you understand that you need to engage in this process?
[very frustrated]
Me: I do not have to engage in this process. This process is
destructive. This is drama. I will share and receive feelings. But I
will not receive her attacks. I am making a choice, here.
Wife: You see. He is unavailable. All he cares about are his own
feelings. I am so sad. I don't even know him anymore. [She begins to
cry]
During this particular colloquy, I experience the most intense feelings
of frustration and anger. I feel a tension that burns across my entire
body. It is as if an unstoppable force (my wife and therapist) is
hitting an immovable object (me and my rock). The session ends a few
minutes later without any meaningful change or resolution.
On the car ride home, I am not speaking to my wife. I am on the cell
phone attempting to resolve a pressing business issue. The burning
feelings of anger and frustration persist. However, I am also
experiencing intense feelings of doubt and confusion about my rock, my
feelings, my experience at the workshop, and my future. My mind begins
to swim.
While I am talking on the telephone I begin to notice a sharp pain when
I take deep breaths. By 2:00 a.m. that morning my back is in spasms. I
cannot take anything but the shortest breaths without feeling a searing
pain in my back. I take muscle relaxants for the next two days and lay
in bed. When I awake my back feels better and my intense feelings
(emotional and physical) begin to subside somewhat.
As I write this post, I continue to experience those same feelings of
anger and confusion, though to a lesser degree. I feel angry toward my
wife for not being able to receive my "negative" feelings.
I am
confused about how to bring my wife more fully into the TTP process.
Likewise, I do
not know how to proceed with my therapist, who no longer holds the keys
to the kingdom. Finally, I am bewildered (and scared) by what I just
experienced, and do not know how to integrate it into what I learned at
the workshop. I would appreciate hearing any thoughts you might have. |
You and your wife have a nine-year
pattern of ménage-a-therapist.
The therapist is helping you hold
your relationship together and is also a form of medication to protect
you from feeling deeper feelings - like your feelings about not
receiving each other's feelings.
In Reno, you come to see that
feelings all have positive intentions and you have an experience of
sending and receiving feelings without judgment - and without reacting.
The session in which your counselor
is quiet, your session goes well.
When your counselor tries to force
you to "react" to each other, the old patterns ignite.
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TTP works by receiving and
acknowledging others, not by invalidating others when they fail to
receive you.
You cannot force someone to receive
your feelings, particularly if they consider them "negative."
You cannot "process manage" someone
or "fix" someone without invitation or without starting a fight.
You can make a decision to receive
all your wife's feelings, especially her feelings of not wanting to
receive some of your feelings.
You can make a decision to receive
your own body feelings, especially what your back is trying to tell you.
When you come to appreciate the
positive intention in every communication your wife makes, and in every
feeling your body generates, you may attain the zero point.

In Boxing and in Marriage
the job of the referee
is not always to end the fight.
Clip:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/
technology/4277075.stm |
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Mon, 19 Feb
2007
Apprenticeship Feedback
Dear Ed,
I hope this email finds you in good health and happiness, what a super
cool experience it is hanging out with you! While writing this I recall
the ‘painful experiences’ emotionally and many hours working late into
the night, I now see that all this is as an essential part of the
‘realisation’ for me leading to my discovery of truths about myself and
trading (you nailed it when you offer the blue pill or the red pill).
Sometimes you have to go through the process and not attempt to go
around it, I went through this with you by my side, I won’t forget this,
thank you for being right there next to me.
You have taught me much about unconditional support, really caring and
showing interest in the feelings of all those around me. I want you to
know that I will take this wisdom and also pass it on, somehow I know it
will eventually get round to you again!
Thank you so much for your hospitality!
Warm Regards, |
Thank you for sharing your process. |
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Sat, 17 Feb
2007
Levitation Disk
see
Radial
Momentum
Mr. Seykota:
You write in your web site about radial momentum:
"The Bernoulli Principle assumes (1) a closed-loop system of varying
cross section, (2) constant density of the fluid and (3) no flow
motivation.
While this situation might obtain
in a theory, in practice there is simply no such thing as a closed
hydraulic loop in which fluid circulates with no flow motivation. The
velocity in such a loop would have to be zero, so the equation would
only be valid at v = 0, at which point lift would also be zero."
This is different from what we learnt at school where the Bernoulli
Principle was demonstrated by running tap water through a Venturi tube.
This seemed to work just fine. One could easily see that the pressure
varied in according to different cross sections.
Water is neither frictionless nor totally incompressible. The water in
the experiment poured out into the sink so it was not a closed system.
To me it seems that the levitation disk demonstrates the same thing. The
water discharges from the rim of the disk at ambient pressure. When it
was closer to the centre it had higher velocity and therefore lower
pressure. Why isn't this exactly equivalent to the experiment we did
with the Venturi tube?
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Standard physics textbooks
contain many curious explanations for fluid flow phenomena.

The Classic Venturi Tube Demonstration
Note: The pump motivating the flow and the exit chamber receiving the
effluent are conspicuously absent.
Also note: The heading "Inviscid, Incompressible Fluid Flow" is
unrealistic.
In the diagram, the pressures at the two ends of the are equal.
Therefore, there is nothing to motivate flow.
To motivate flow, you have to have more pressure upstream.
In that case, the pressure is greater in the chamber to the left of the
pinch point, falls just down stream from the pinch point, due to radial
expansion of the fluid and then rises to ambient pressure at the
effluent opening.
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The Old Scientific Method
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1. Find some way to spend money and / or expand government control.
2. Invent some "science" to justify (1).
3. Repeat |
The New Scientific Method:
Recent examples:
Global Warming;
Minimum Wage in the US;
Price Controls
in Venezuela.
Clips:
http://history.nasa.gov/SP-367/f28.htm
http://www.biorap.org/br5biowords.html
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Sat, 17 Feb 2007
Rocks Process Feedback
Dear Ed,
In line with my commitment to report my experience to your FAQ readers
on my RP (Rock Process) at Incline Village:
Before I begin, I want to thank all the members of the Incline Village
Tribe for their incredible support and encouragement, also for sharing
their wisdom that is handed to me through my new rock.
The tribe spends at least 4 hours working through the Snapshot process,
this process proves to awaken and heighten many feelings within those
tribe members who are live with feelings.
My personal experience results in tapping my foot repeatedly on the
floor and crying, I am unable to speak, words are difficult to deliver,
the tribe encourages me to do more, I do more, I also log this feeling
for the RP session.
RP Experience
Ed suggests that my rocks process start with a “role play” he is aware
of a very important meeting I intend to have, and he is also aware of
some strong feelings of sadness about this meeting.
Two members of the tribe ‘play’ key executives who might be attending
the meeting, their job is to try to simulate the meeting as best they
can, they both do a great job. I find that this role playing activity
promotes more “conscious” thought and I find I am unable to locate any
live feelings.
During my role play I show a “form” which is to move my hands, Ed sees
this and asks me to do more of this, crank it up, moments later I am
fully shaking both hands and arms. This movement promotes pain in my
shoulders, though this pain I experience memory recall.
I recall
walking around at school alone with a heavy rucksack on my shoulder I
notice I keep swapping shoulders to carry it around because its so
heavy.
This memory
extended to further insights into the difficulty I have “interacting”
with other children at school and later with other students in my
academic life. I notice I avoid attempting to engage “socially” in large
groups, I also notice this pattern extends in my adult life. Although I
have learnt ways to deal with this situation (usually avoid it), I have
never attempted to understand the origin of my behaviour, see its
positive intention embrace it and at the same time acknowledge new ways
to approach the experience.
We ‘role play’
the most vivid experience I can remember, this is me at school
attempting to play with some other children, this attempt fails, I am
rejected and I shut down, go dumb and walk away with a ‘sad’ smile,
(this process is my old rock/my old way of dealing with the experience).
Ed asks me to try to locate any person close to me that might have
similar ways of dealing with this sort of experience; I notice that my
father carries these tendencies. I also report to Ed many other similar
experiences where this has come up throughout my life.
Having role played this experience the tribe now has enough resources to
come up with a whole new set of ways to respond to this, and any other
similar experience. We list the following
Be Empathic
Radiate Contentment
Smile on approach
Appreciate and value yourself
Check out why they are leaving
Get really good at the game
5% of the time walk away, don’t take it personally
Negotiate
Use Humor
Listen to conversation with interest
Offer new games
Get feedback, tell your feelings and show emotion
Breathe and consider resources
Join a common interest group
Find new friends through networks of friends
Notice your feelings – keep them turned on
Offer new ideas and resources
The tribe re-runs the role play and this time at the point of rejection,
my father appears and offers me a rock that I ‘should’ use to deal with
this situation, I reject it, I don’t want it, I feel it’s not the “only”
option.
We then role play again, this time a tribe member plays messenger whom I
can trust and offers a new “empty” rock containing new ways to deal with
the experience. The rock is empty BUT if I want, I can fill it up with
the list of responses produced by the tribe. I accept this empty rock
and fill it up through squeezing the rock with each new approach on the
list.
The new rock feels good, we test the new rock by running the same role
plays, I notice in my role play I no longer feel stuck right before
interacting with others. I am able to positively and confidently present
my findings during my role play meeting too.
When we are complete, I thank each role play member and release each
character from the role-play.
We all “check out” I am delighted to hear that other tribe members can
relate to my experience, and find it insightful to themselves, perhaps I
am not the only one to benefit from this process.
I notice I feel something has shifted within that feels naturally good,
I now have new resources to deal with these experiences, and I fully
intend to use them.
Thank you Incline Tribe, Good Job!
On a side note Ed, it seems that that this process is very powerful, and
requires TTP knowledge and some form of Rocks Process ‘experience’ from
at least one participating member of the tribe. Personally having
experienced this first hand, may I take this opportunity to emphasize to
your FAQ readers that those intending on using it might consider that
their tribe have a ‘Crystal’ clear understanding of the process, and
that they understand the importance of acting responsibly, diligently
and sensitively when processing this experience.
I wish all the FAQ readers good health and happiness and that they all
find their Right Livelihood!

Perhaps the Crystal Precedes the Rock
Clip:
http://www.smokindragon.com/
zippo_lighters.htm
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Thank you for sharing your process. |
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Fri, 16 Feb
2007
Investing With Your Company
Hi Ed,
I don't know why, but I was surprised to hear back from you. As you
know, a "cult like" reputation has been created around you. Since it
seems to have been created by other people, rather than yourself, it is
probably well deserved. I sometimes listen to your "Market Wizards" CD
to keep me motivated. (And no, I am definitely not subject to idol
worship.)
I've recently contacted a number of "trend following" capital management
companies and was surprised to see that some of the better known ones
have recently gone belly-up. Others have made no profits (zero!) during
the past 3 years of the US stock bull market. A few require a $500,000
minimum investment and a net worth of $10,000,000.
About me: I'm 51, very happily married for 30 years, one son, one
grandson, I meditate 2-3 hours per day; I'm healthy, happy and I love
life - and I do not fear death, nor do I fear the financial markets
(Ed, which one is worse?). I am completely sold on "trend following" and
I would be a long term, hands off, no-panic investor.
I don't know if you would be willing to work with me or if you would be
willing to accept an additional account with an initial investment
amount as low as $100,000? (Or what would be your minimum if...?)
Anyway, thank you for your reply and I'll look forward to hearing back
from you.
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Ed writes:
I wonder what you have in mind.
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Contributor writes:
Hi,
I am a "high net worth individual" and am interested in placing some
money with you. I successfully trade much of my own money using
diversified trend following methods and seek to further diversify. I am
a "non-questioning, non-panic" investor, once established with an
investment company.
Thank you in advance for your response.
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These days, one futures contract can
move several thousand dollars per day - so with diversification into,
say a dozen instruments, you might normally experience daily
fluctuations of 5-10 k, sometimes much more.
If you want to keep your risk per trade at about 1/2 percent,
then, setting 1/2 % to $5000, you get 100% = $1,000,000.
If you trade a $100,000 account, you might have to experience 5% entry
risk.
I would have to know a lot more about you
before agreeing to subject you to this kind of volatility.

Trading Futures Without Sufficient Capital
can be a wild ride.
Clip:
http://www.werenotafraid.com/
images/533/Wild_Ride.jpg |
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Fri, 16 Feb
2007
System Research: 40 x 11
Hi Ed,
Is 40 futures markets over 11 years a big enough database to:
1) Test a trading system?
2) Feel confident the test results are a valid picture of what the
system probably will do over the next decade?
Your expert advice is greatly valued. |
Yes, You can test a trading
system on a data base of any number of markets over any length of time.
A back-test does not generate a "valid picture" of the (non-existing)
future.
Your feelings of confidence come from within you, not from the test
results.
You might consider re-writing your question in SVO-p. |
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Fri, 16
Feb 2007
Moving On
I read the "Moving On" segment on FAQ moments ago ... Although I have
not attended the Incline Tribe for over 2 years, the work still has a
profound effect on me. I keep a journal and I am grateful to report that
I still have AHA moments, mostly from the pure Sending and Receiving we
experienced.
My life has taken shape musically from the Tribe work as well. Believe
it or not, I have taken up the Banjo. I run it through a Marshall stack,
with some Echoplex and some Fuzz Face on top - sort of a "metal banjo."
I truly believe it is the way the instrument is meant to be played. You
should hear me do Deep Purple's "Smoke on the Water" or Black Sabbath's
"Iron Man." It will bring tears to your eyes.
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Thank you for sharing your process

Nechville Meteor Banjo
Sadly, this is about the only thing
Bella Fleck and Ed Seykota
have in common.
Clip:
http://www.nechville.com/meteorgallery.html |
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Fri, 16 Feb
2007
Childlike Emotionalism
It takes a lot more integrity, character, and courage to be a
conservative than it does to be a liberal. That's because at its most
basic level, liberalism is nothing more than childlike emotionalism
applied to adult issues.
Source:
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/
JohnHawkins/2007/02/16/
liberal_emotion_vs_conservative_logic
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I can identify strong themes
of childlike emotionalism in the platforms of all major political
parties. |
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Fri, 16 Feb
2007
Trading Systems
Regarding your previous comment
Deer Ed,
Regarding your comments (please see below), I would like to put my
question in
a different way if possible; Do you think all mechanical systems have to
work
in all markets in order to be robust, including stocks?
For example, in
the
simple support-resistance tutorial, the optimal trend definition and
trading lines
are around 120/30 for Gold. What if you trade bonds, or stocks in Europe
or
somewhere else. The optimal solution is different most of the time.
In my sentence, “according to many traders” refers to the traders
mentioned
in the Market Wizards book, and I unfortunately I don’t have a chance to
ask
this question to them, you are the only one that I could contact
directly via
trading tribe.
Therefore I would greatly appreciate if you could comment on it again.
Thanks in advance.
In my previous email I wrote;
According to many traders, the systems that we develop should work in
all
markets in order to be robust. But on the other hand, each market has
its own
characteristics and therefore it is very hard to come with a system
which works in
all markets. This is especially the case for the stock market
(individual
stocks).
At this point, should I use a different system for stocks and another
system
for futures etc.
You replied as;
To paraphrase your contribution:
1. Many traders say something "should" work.
2. You have difficulties doing it.
3. You ask me what you "should" do.
FAQ does not tell people what they "should" do. See ground rules.
You might consider:
1. asking "many traders" how they do it.
2. taking your questions to your Tribe.
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I do not have much clarity on
the identities of "many traders," the meaning of "all markets," or the
meaning of "robust."
In addition, FAQ does not tell people what they "should" do. See
Ground Rules.
You might consider re-writing your
question in SVO-p. |
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Thu, 15 Feb
2007
Experience Positive Feelings
Ed,
I feel that most TTP works focus on supporting people
to experience forms of negative feelings. Might it be
beneficial to fully experience positive feelings? In
traditions of the country where I come from, people
control all sorts of feelings.
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In TTP we hold all feelings
have positive intentions.
The feelings we call "negative" are
typically in k-nots.
We can untie these k-nots by experiencing the
feelings and considering their positive intentions. |
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Fri, 16 Feb
2007
Tired of Being the Snack
Having sustained yet another painful loss on today’s futures market, and
having experienced some amazing ‘non-coincidences’ as described below,
the Under-Fred Network is speaking very loudly to me these days that
it’s time - just plain time, finally, and with zero resistance on my
part … to undo the k-nots. So I’m coming in, Ed - much the worse for wear
and tear, I confess.
Gosh-honest truth is, I’ve been a fan of yours for years. Like a lot of
folks, I’ve read most of ‘the’ trading books and read of various
traders, but none that seemed to ‘get it’ as much as yourself.
Despite my shortcomings, in some amazing ways you and I have much in
common, including my sense & understanding of our life purpose - but
clearly have much at variance as well. You’ve been wildly successful, as
have I in some ways, but my guess is that unlike you my “drawdowns” –
both personal and financial – have gotten to the point that it’s just
too painful to avoid this any longer.
I have a wife and daughter that
depend on me, and I’ve been letting them down for too long. Years. At
least 7 years, in fact. Now, today, this moment, I feel like I’m letting
down my best friend and futures-trading business partner. So enough is
enough - I’m coming home.
Without feeding the ego monster, please permit me to say that I am truly
not the complete mental idiot that my trading record and personal
choices would otherwise indicate. I graduated from a major university
with a degree in Computer Science, and with some distinction (and then
some failure). I served honorably as an officer aboard nuclear-powered
attack submarines during the Cold War, and with some distinction (and
then some failure). Financially, I made millions of dollars working in
the Internet software industry - and then had lots of failure.
Whatever rocks I’m carrying, they’ve been getting the best of me time
and again, and I’m just flat tired of it. My conscious mind is aware of
a few rocks, including some associated with a brief but apparently
powerful bit of childhood abuse.
There’s no escaping the fact that I’ve
exhibited some seriously self-destructive behavior. But while I’ve seen
some dramatic improvement over the last couple of years on a personal
and spiritual basis,
I’ve been unable to consistently trade profitably,
and I know on some level that this is something I have to do, or, at a
bare minimum, go through.
Though I am employed in a partnership today with a good friend, have a
paid-for home over my head, a car that works, and a wife and daughter
that love me, I am for all intents and purposes broke in terms of liquid
cash - and a living testimonial that the Under Fred and Fred can serve up
just as much drama as it takes to force the dropping of those painful
yet familiar rocks. This is all my responsibility, but I clearly need
help.
There is no cause and effect, I know that by now, but whatever it is
inside me that’s been eating me alive is done having its snack as far as
I’m concerned.
I’m hoping that we’ll be able to personally meet soon,
and that I’ll eventually be able to write up testimonial that’ll be as
powerful as it is truthful.
There are no coincidences, and so I am both thankful and responsible for
the non-coincidences that have been served up lately – both the ‘good’
and the ‘bad’ ones. The bad: ass-kicking monetary losses, poor choices,
broken trust - including my self-trust. The good: reconciling with my
wife, having a solidly good friend or two - and I know of Ed Seykota. And I live in
Austin , Texas .
So - enough. I get it. I need your help, Ed.
With thanks in advance and great respect, |
You might consider taking the
feeling of something inside you eating you to your Tribe as an entry
point.

The Wasp, Ampulex Compressa
injects venom into the cockroach's brain
to neutralize it's escape reflex.
The wasp then takes the passive cockroach
by one of its antennae
and leads it back to the wasp's burrow.
The wasp lays eggs on the roach's' stomach,
the larvae burrow into the roach,
and emerge later as adult wasps.

Experiencing Your Feelings
at a Tribe Meeting
can help you find what's eating you.
Clips:
http://www.synthstuff.com/mt/archives/2006_02.html
http://www.wayodd.com/alien-kitten/v/4256/
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Thu, 15 Feb
2007
More Important then Trading
see previous Sun, 11 Feb 2007
Dear Ed,
working through your FAQ today and noticed I wrote: I also notice that I
am
still rowing around the more important issues of life [more important
than
trading].
I feel somewhat bad about that wording! I incredibly respect all
traders,
especially you. What a challenge to earn money in the markets. What an
opportunity.
Wording means that I am somewhat fed up with it due to a missing
work-life-balance during the last three years.
Good Trades and Good Luck! |
You might consider taking
your feeling about offending others by telling your truth to your tribe
as an entry point.

If You Have a Rock
about standing up for yourself
you may feel
you are being too assertive
when you tell others how you feel.
Clip:
http://www.teamtechnology.co.uk/assertiveness/how-to-be-more-assertive.html
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Thu, 15 Feb
2007
Managing Risk
Dear Chief Ed,
In your trading rules posted on FAQ - 14 Nov 2004 -
The basic Trend Trading rules are:
Trade with the Trend
Cut Losses and Ride Winners
Manage Risk
Do you mean ...
Manage initial risk ?
Respectfully, |
Risk is a combination of the
possibility of a loss and the magnitude of the loss.
We register risk in our bodies as a feeling of
fear.
One way to manage various forms of
risk, including prospective risk, initial risk, open risk, and
unconscious risk it to make sure your feeling of fear is an ally, fully
functioning on your emotional instrument panel.
In our medicinal culture, some
people attempt to medicate fear, rather than manage risk.
Professor Moreno, University of
Virginia reports on research on locating and modifying the "fear gene"
stathmin that expresses in the amygdala.
Others feel that emotions inter-connect and are not simple properties of
specific locations in individuals; emotions arise out of social
interactions. As such, emotional modification is a Tribal
endeavor. Inspirational leaders know all about this.
In general, people with willingness
to experience fear and other feelings are better risk managers than
those who have fear in k-nots or fear under the influence of narcotics.
You might consider taking your
feelings about risk to your Tribe as an entry point.

One Positive Intention of Fear
is risk management.
Clip:
http://www.bcysth.ca/photo_gallery/
art_project/pages/fear.htm
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