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Questions
(Quotes
from Ed in Red)
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Answers |
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Tue, 14 Feb 2006
PHGGTTS
Dear Sir:
Congrats on your great psychological breakthrough.
Is a tribe similar to a meeting of PHGGTTS?
Thanks for your attention. |
PHGGTTS appears to be your slang word
for the slang word faggots.
You might consider taking your
discomfort about sexual preferences to the hot seat as an
entry point.

Woman With Faggot
A faggot is a
bundle of sticks, typically for firewood.
One popular urban
myth is that the slang term faggot derives from the practice of burning
homosexuals at the stake. This is likely incorrect as the historical penalty
is hanging, not burning.
More likely, the
term evolves from contemptuous slang for woman, with reinforcement by
the Yiddish word, faygele, literally,
little bird and also British public school slang:
fag, noun: a junior who assists a senior and verb: to so
assist.
Clip:
http://www.kunstkamera.ru/exhibition/
kavkaz/images/1513-92sm.jpg |
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Tue, 14 Feb 2006
Husband and Wife "Should On" Each Other Less
and Listen to Each Other More
After attending the May 2006 workshop and experiencing the positive changes
in all aspects of my life and my trading, I decide I need to travel to the
USA again to learn more about the process, as I have relapsed back into old
habits.
My wife decided to attend as well. I wonder what the benefits to our
relationship will be and I am very excited about what we can achieve.
We realized that we are often unwilling to do TTP so we make a commitment to
do it when one of us is hot.
We notice very positive change when we stop “should-ing” (you should do… ) on
each other and others. We didn’t realize how often we did this until we
listened to each other!
We find it best if the sender has closed eyes. This seems to break the body
language communication between us, seems to inhabit the eyes from diverting
our attention and for the sender it feels as though there is group
validation which helps the process.
It has opened up our relationship as far as communication and resolving
issues go. If one of us is tending towards some sort of drama the other asks
“are you willing to do TTP on this issue”. This question seems to diffuse
the situation and we are both very careful not to use it as a manipulation
or prevocational tool.
We both seem to understand each other better.
We are both more patient.
We have totally eliminated negative or violent communication between us
(with help from Non-violent Communication), Marshall B Rosenberg).
We have both discussed certain areas of life that we know we have K-nots in.
Our strategy is to deal with this when we are faced with the particular
drama. The one without the K-not will probe for feelings. If there are none,
then we do nothing. If there are feelings and the sender is not willing to
do TTP we make a note. If the sender has feelings and is unwilling 3 times
we have a TTP session to deal with it.
Ed, Do you have any feedback or suggestions? We are both very committed to
the process.
Thank you for your unlimited generosity with your knowledge and time. |
Thank you for sharing your process.
You might consider assembling a Tribe of
your own, perhaps comprising other couples.

You Can Sometimes See More Clearly
with your eyelids down.
Clip:
http://images.meredith.com/lhj/images/
04/m_361NV77_3.jpg |
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Mon, 13 Feb 2006
Trading System
Design
Dear Mr. Seykota,
I am not a tribe member. I sent you an e-mail on Friday. I would like to ask
this:
Would you recommend to attend your seminar based on the following:
1. I am familiar with the markets
2. I was a hedger for Options at NYMEX (1998-2001)
3. I quit, traded some options and stocks unsuccessfully
4. I moved.
5. I have learned lots about macro and some about fixed income
6. I studied some psychology
7. I have read Trend Following
8. I ordered your book
9. I absolutely agree with TF and understand the concepts
10. I have done the psychological work I needed to do.
11. I cannot program in CC+[++] yet
12. I am committed to getting this down and learn from you ( I will put 10%
on my net worth to attend your event).
13. I have never really traded my own book except this TF trade in New
Zealand 90 day bills I put on through our boss' account.
Am I going to be able to put together a Trend following System after your
seminar and start trading?
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You can put together a Trend Following
system if you are willing to do so.
The TTP Workshop does not deal directly
with trading system design and operation.
I am providing TSP (see link above) to
assist people with system design. |
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Mon, 13 Feb 2006
A Typo
Hi Ed,
I wait for a while but it seems to be always there: an incongruity at
http://www.seykota.com/tribe/
TSP/EA/Exponential/index.htm .
Under the 2nd graph of "Looking for the Best Average" paragraph I read:
.25 & .075 ==> -10%
but a row below:
Green: Slow EA(.55) ...
Red: Fast EA(.075) ... |
Thank you for the catch. |
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Sun, 12 Feb 2006
Exp Average Crossover
Hello,
I originally had completed the process in Excel (verified to the penny), but
I wanted to be able to change the parameters more easily, and to have a way
to modify the system programmatically in the future (such as using an ATR
stop in addition to a crossover). (see attached zipped Access database).
I was dismayed when I saw that the 15/150 system generated only 3.3 million
while the benchmark generated 32 million! Even using longer fast and long
averages (85/325) still got you less than halfway. I know that this is
simply using 1 instrument, and only going long. I was, however, delighted to
discover that using the longer averages, and changing the ATR multiplier to
3 generated a whopping 33.6 million! By adjusting the ATR days from 20 to 14
brings us to 35.4 million. I realize that this increases the risk, and
therefore the heat of the system ... however, it is comforting to know that
one can beat money sitting and collecting 10% a year using a trading system.
Thank you so much for providing these exercises. |
Thank you for the confirmation. |
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Sat, 11 Feb 2006
Center for
Non-Violent Communication
Ed,
Have you heard of this or seen the website?

http://www.cnvc.org/index.htm
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Non-Violent communication seems to
develop naturally from TTP.
Attempts to force a communication style
on top of k-nots generally tightens the k-nots. For example, telling
someone not to yell, over and over, is likely to provoke yelling. |
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Fri, 10 Feb 2006
Wants a Meal
Dear Mr. Seykota,
Through various “coincidences” in 1998 I switched jobs and went from selling
X’mas trees and construction to clerking on NYMEX and became a hedger for
Option guys in all Energies, Cotton, Sugar, Coffee and gold. Back then I
knew about you ... and ... the timing was off.
Looking back, I couldn’t have made it due to my unknowingness of myself. I
came to the US in 1995 after 2 years of teaching myself English back in
[Country]. I spent all my savings on a satellite dish and watched CNN
to learn English. I figured that the best test of my English language
comprehension would be to work on one of the crazy exchanges I saw on TV.
Back then I didn’t even know what a share was and I thought oil is traded
manually in the ports of NY and NJ. [Name] probably the most
sophisticated local, who you may know, introduced me to NYMEX back in 1998
after meeting him at a party at his home in NYC.
In 2003, after hopefully erroneous conclusion that I couldn’t trade, I
temporarily quit, went to Africa to climb Kilimanjaro and moved to [City]
to work on myself, which I successfully have!
I even found work at a tax shelter company. We do macro research, publish weekly reports on
the world and lately we have been putting on curve trades, which are really
some attempts to forecast the future and benefit from it. I do not believe
in such approach since it will never work long term and will serve as a
vehicle of excitement and boasting in some short term.
The reason I am writing to you is that I want to share my experience of
getting to know myself and figure out (hopefully with your input) how to
start what I had to delay – trend following trading.
I went so as far as visiting my biological father who I had never met
before, which was very beneficial. Second I found out that many
psychological issues that prevent one from concentration and keeping healthy
self-esteem come out during intimate relationships.
I got very lucky to meet a man who explained the fallacy of common way women
are looked upon and all the mayhem that stems from it.
After just a month
work, I will not look at relationships / women in the same way thus protecting
myself from adverse effects of intimate relationships that are detrimental
to trading, in my opinion. Yet still enjoying much better new relationships
though. You wouldn’t believe the calm that came over me
when I came to that realization. Absolute and complete peace I have never
felt before.
The very last straw was when I looked around our office and saw all these
people researching the prices of fancy homes and cars because they made
several thousand dollars trading their prediction of what this and that
Central Bank will do. They were lucky and made a little cash. I realized how
futile that is, how really idiotic it is to get wrapped up in the barrage of
news and people predicting the future, which, of course, doesn’t exist. I
agree a 100% with your views on all this, no doubt.
I also realized that through 3 years of work on my psyche and never really
thinking about going back to trading, after practicing yoga, calming my mind
tremendously through meditation and slowly re-programming my own negative
self-talk with simple 3-way mind programming, I have positive feelings about
my commitment to trading the markets the right way. Of course, only with the
sound money management, discipline and mindset.
The anxiety just vanished. Truly, overriding ones conditioning is an amazing
way to improve all aspects of one’s life. The amount of approval I used to
seek on the outside was tremendous and unknown to me. The constant
insecurity that if I cannot program complex models I cannot be successful
trader was ever present.
And then, it was gone. I am still awaking from this magnificent switch.
I found your website and at the same time started to read Trend Following. I
already applied the Trend Following Attitude to my greatest hobby – kite boarding, which I practice as often as we have wind. Again, in the past
I was doing it for others to approve of me. Now I do it for myself only (I
allowed myself to show off when a boat full of ladies goes by though) and
the improvements are 20 fold.
See, I could never figure out why with all the discipline in my life I
couldn’t be disciplined in managing the mental states absolutely essential
for trend trading.
Now I know that that discipline was the problem,
ironically. The discipline to do yoga every morning, eating healthy and work
out regularly or eating every piece of food on plate for that matter has
nothing to do with the discipline needed to follow a trend.
Truly one of the
24 “AHA” moments I have had lately. Discipline to get approval may feel as
the good discipline, however the most of that kind of discipline, the worse
one gets.
I would like to buy you a
breakfast / lunch and / or dinner. I will not ask any questions on any markets.
I can just fly over and have a meal with you.
I would be most grateful for
your time and advice I am seeking.
[Otherwise] would you,
please consider telling me how to start in the TT? I am a bit isolated here
... but I am sure I can learn somehow before I figure out how to
attend your workshop.
Thanks much for your time to read my letter,
All the Best, |
You can find details on starting a Tribe
at the Directory above, and for Private Consulting at the bottom of Ground
Rules. |
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Fri, 10 Feb 2006
Test Results Duplicated
I have duplicated the test results in the three log files for the
Exponential
Lag 150/15 test using Visual Basic 3.0.
I have duplicated the test results for the list of stocks in the Trends
tutorial
using TeleChart, with one exception. ANSI is not available in the database
due to its merger with St. Jude Medical. Regarding the list ... you ask for
the top 15 stocks but actually include 16 in the list. Since ANSI is no
longer
trading the list now includes 15 active stocks :-)
Have a great NOW ... |
Thank you for the confirmation.

Duplication
is
the essence of receiving.
Clip:
http://www.accessexcellence.org/
RC/VL/GG/duplication.html |
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Thu, 9 Feb 2006
Workshop Feedback
Ed,
I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for sharing your knowledge
on the power of the subconscious mind.
The most valuable learning experience for me relates to the snapshot
process. I understand that the energy from my intention is more powerful
than any feeling.
This process gave me a much better understanding of how to
maintain a successful relationship with my fiancé.
We are mutually committed
to following a system in our relationship which is a wonderful tool to get
through any issues that come up.
I am so grateful to have this knowledge base. |
Thank you for sharing your process.

When Your Intention is Engagement
the
form of engagement
becomes essential.
Clip:
http://www.christophermaxwell.com/
engagement-photos/jamie-doug-128-small.jpg
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Thu, 9 Feb 2006
Notes on
Programming for Worden
Ed,
Worden uses deprecated threading model for their in-proc COM servers.
I don't know how you access Worden data. You might be interested in one
of my recent discoveries.
Problem: It takes an hour to extract the data in my new software as opposed
to
a few minutes with my old software. The new program runs on a machine with a
lot less memory. However, performance monitoring shows that the problem is
not
due to swapping.
Resolution: The aha comes in a trance-like state at the end of a long brisk
walk. The classes in the Worden TC200Dev.dll do not register a threading
model so
they default to the deprecated 'Main' threading model.
http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/
2004/06/02/146671.aspx
My new program accesses the Worden COM server from a worker thread so that
the
GUI remains responsive during this long running operation. The result of
combining access from a worker thread with Worden's deprecated threading
model is
cross-thread marshalling of every call and painfully slow execution.
Possible solutions:
1) Run updates in a separate process.
2) Jump through hoops to access it only from the main thread.
3) Get Worden to fix their classes to at least use the Apartment model.
I choose solution 1 for my program. I also intend to notify Worden of the
issue.
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Fred-ian slip in an Emerson Quote?
From a recent FAQ:
What lies before me
and what lies behind me
are tiny matters
next to what lies
lie within me.
I wonder if using 'what lies lie within me' instead of Emerson's 'what lies
within me' is a Fred-ian slip. I like your version a little better. |
Thank you for the programming notes.
Thank you for noticing the Emersonian
Twist.

Some of the Best Code
emanates from trance.
Clip:
http://www.wrightair.btinternet.co.uk/
renders/renderbig/trance-silver-fig-01.jpg
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Thu, 9 Feb 2006
Progress Report
Greetings, Chief.
I continue to make excellent progress in system development.
My back-tested
average return is now twice the max drawdown, based on a portfolio of all
liquid North American and European futures markets. My system becomes
simpler and more realistic.
I now find it easier to accept and deal with the frustration, tedium, and
programming challenges that accompany system development. I acknowledge the
feelings when they occur, pause for a little while when necessary to
regroup, and then keep going to attain ever higher levels of performance.
Some of my biggest breakthroughs occur right after periods of extreme
frustration.
I have a clear path ahead of me and intend to continue making excellent
progress. And, I have TTP as a tool to deal with anything that pops up and
tries to stand between me and my snapshot. Thanks for your help and the help
of my tribe members. |
Thank you for sharing your process.
I suspect your breakthroughs occur not
when you are willing to experience your frustration.

Keeping an Eye on the World
and
Cleaning Up.
Clip:
http://www.hispanicbusiness.com/
_client_common/images/news/
maintaining-momentum.jpg |
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Thu, 09 Feb 2006
Systems Model / Responsibility Model
Chief Ed,
I'm asking for detailed clarification regarding the definition of System
Model and it's relationship to the Responsibility Model.
I see how System Model (macro) consequence follows logically from
validity of Responsibility Model. Can you please:
1) define System Model formally?
2) be specific about relationship with Responsibility Model (if any) ?
3) include discussion / illustration , similar to your detailed reply at:
(Fri, 30 Sep 2005 Responsibility Model) ?
Thanks very much Chief.
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References: ("System Model" citations):
Tue, 24 Jan 2006 Causal Model in Stock Trading
Tue, 31 Jan 2006 What Up With Google
Wed, 11 Jan 2006 Finds Another Form by looking for Opposites. (see
graphic caption)
http://www.seykota.com/tribe/Glossary/index.htm
#ResponsibilityModel
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The System Model is the perception that
all the elements in a system radiate intention to all the other elements.
The Causal Model is the perception that
every event has a cause.
The Causal Model supports the notions of
blame and guilt, and by extension understands the Western legal and
political systems.
The Responsibility Model supports the
empowerment of intention.
In the System Model, we may employ the
causal model, to reduce the number of radiating links where some links
clearly outweigh others. In this way, we might say that in the
set {A, B, C, D, E}, where A radiates mostly to B and B collects radiation
mostly from A, that A causes B according to some exclusive transfer
function.
If we then code all the transfer
function links as additions, multiplications and integrations, we can define
the system as a set of interrelating integrals and even simulate system
behavior numerically with Euler's method.
In this way, we may see that system
behavior evolves as all the elements interact and change, and change each
other and change their effects on each other.
Thus, in a system, all the elements, and
all their evolving interactions are responsible for the overall system
behavior.
To change system behavior, individual
elements may effectively change how they react to their senders. They
have no control over how their receivers react to them.
To be more effective in your own system,
you can work on how you receive others. Demanding that others receive
you differently is a generally ineffective, although popular, strategy.

In an Ecological System
everything ultimately causes itself.
Clip:
http://wekk.jp/ecological-system1.jpg |
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Wed, 8 Feb 2006
Tribe Update
Hi Ed!
The [City] tribe is growing. We now have 8 members, and we find that our
TTP work is becoming more productive all the time.
Best wishes to you and the Incline Village Tribe! |
Thank you for the update.

Tribes That Promote Personal Growth
tend to grow.
Clip:
http://www.chestnuthomes.co.uk/
images/were-growing.jpg |
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Wed,
08 Feb 2006
TTP Poem
Ed,
I have a great hot seat experience two nights ago. The process manager asks
me what stands between me and doing what I really want to do, and I am
scattered initially. I tell a story, I have fun by becoming a different
"character" and sending that to the tribe.
I usually do not send that part
of myself to people, and I enjoy doing it on the hot seat. I then enjoy
yelling "I'm free!" It is a feeling that I greatly enjoy experiencing and it
was in a knot before the hot seat. I send something to you inspired by the
hot seat.
accepting the premise
that I am a menace
when I don't choose to feel
what I know I need to heal
conceal the deal
no time to reveal
excuse me friends
while I focus on the end
instead of knowing now
I am free so free
so many feelings of me
I am happy
I intend the best
thank you
I am ready
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Thank you for sharing your process.

The Willingness to Experience Restriction
sets you free.
Clip: http://www.1greeneye.net/walls/freedom.jpg |
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Wed, 08 Feb 2006
Positive Intention
of Loss
Ed,
I just blew through my equity in an emotional whirlwind. I think I
enjoyed it, because I've stopped trading, and I feel great!!!
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Thank you for sharing your process.

If You Are Unwilling to Experience the Feeling
of
not wanting to continue
you
might set up a whirlwind drama
to
lose something,
to
justify stopping.
If
you are willing
to
experience the feeling
of
wanting to stop,
you
might, then, simply stop.
Clip:
http://www.thexenascrolls.homestead.com/
files/whirlwind.jpg |
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Tue, 7 Feb 2006
TSP
Hi,
Just wondering what the status of the TSP section of your site is. It
doesn't appear to have been updated since last Fall.
Thank you and regards,
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I am currently updating my software from C++ to C# - and adding staff to
move TSP forward.

Sometimes a Pause
indicates preparation.
Clip: http://adamkesher.canalblog.com/
images/t-pause.jpg |
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Tue, 7 Feb 2006
Trading in the NOW!
Ed,
Ed Says:
Fundamentalists like to analyze past events and
predict the future. Trend Followers react to the ever
evolving moment of now.
I say:
There also exists many
Technicians who create
elaborate models to predict the future.
Do you think Trend Followers are unique in trading the
markets in the NOW?
Best Wishes, |
Staying in the now supports all kinds of
trading, and all kinds of activity.
Staying in the now is particularly
compatible with Trend Following.

When You Willingly Experience
Doing What You are Doing
while you are doing it,
you
are living in the now.
http://www.toothpastefordinner.com/
012404/home-by-now.gif |
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Mon, 6 Feb 2006
Trading Tribe Workshop
Dear Ed,
How are you?
I joined [City] tribe for two weeks. I have some new questions about
the TTP. I tried to find the answers by looking back old TTP FAQ posts
because I guess other people might have asked the similar questions.
It is not easy to find the particular information which I am
interested in. My suggestion is to put a Google search bar on the FAQ
web page. So We can do some search on them.
OK, here are my real questions. One question is about the drumming
process. I noticed that I could find the main theme of drum beats at
the TTP workshop easily.
However, I couldn't find the harmonious
experience at my trading tribe. There are several types of drum beats
and I tried to follow but they never converge. My feeling after the
drumming is a bit uneasy.
Should I ask the drumming process stop
until it converges or accept as it is? I am not so sure what the
purpose of drumming except making us focused on the pending tribe
check in.
My another question is about receiving. Suppose one people is very
upset about my receiving and beginning to insult me with words. Well, I
don't feel too much offensive, but should I point this out to the
sender or say thank you? Thank you for your answers.
Regards, |
You can find a Google Site Search under
the Resources link, above.
You might consider taking your uneasy
feelings about drumming to the hot seat.
Receiving does not include talking to
the sender, or insulting him with words.
You might consider (1) asking your
sender about his intentions and (2) taking your uneasy feelings about the
receiver to the hot seat.

If You Feel Uneasy About Something
and
don't like the feeling
you
likely have a k-not.
If
you do like the feeling,
you
can employ it's positive intention.
Clip:
http://www.goldmansmythe.com/contest.html |
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Mon, 06 Feb 2006
Verbal Forms
Hi Ed,
Thank you for the great site. I’m a member of the [City] Trading Tribe and the
other night; we had a person auditing our tribe, who posed a challenge to us
while on the hot seat. The person went on the hot seat and got into a form
where she slouched in the chair and went numb.
She argued that her forms
emerging were verbal (basically talking). I realize that as a receiver, we
are to acknowledge and validate all forms.
My questions are:
1) Can forms become verbalized? Or in other words, can physical movement of
the mouth (talking back to the receiver in different volumes, tones, speed,
etc.) be viewed as a physical analog of a feeling?
2) As a receiver, how would you acknowledge or validate someone whose
physical form is to go numb, slouch and not show any movement?
Thanks for any insight …
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If the sender invokes feelings about the
mouth, throat and lips, it may indicate a form.
If the sender goes numb and / or talks
about the form rather than displaying it, you may have some evidence of
unwillingness to proceed.
You might counter by asking the sender
if she is really willing to do the work. If not, simply acknowledge
the unwillingness, check out, and select a new sender.
Acknowledging unwillingness and passing
to a more willing sender seems to support all members of the Tribe,
including the unwilling sender.

The Mouth Can Express Many Forms
and
can also help
conceal others.
Clip:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1920000/
images/_1924144_teeth__300.jpg
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Mon, 6 Feb 2006
Spinning Off
New Tribes
Ed,
What do you think of the solution I have proposed below for handling new
requests now that our tribe is full?
I just received a request and I offered him a temporary spot so he could
learn the process and start his own tribe. Right now, that's how I think I'm
going to handle new requests. Basically, we would have a rotating "trainer"
spot. The trainer attends 3-4 meetings, then starts his own tribe, with a
few of us to help him get started. This way, the new tribe could then handle
many of the new requests that come in. What do you guys think of that?
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In the Incline Village Trading Tribe, I
intend that every member develop the ability to spin off and start his own
tribe.
You might consider making sure you train
your members to be excellent process managers before you spin them off.

Going Too Fast
can
lead to spin-off problems.
Clip:
http://www.robertcomptonpottery.com/
Wheels-of%20Potters.htm |
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Mon, 6 Feb 2006
IVTT Meeting Feedback
-
Dealing with Unwillingness
I take the Hot Seat and say I am frustrated for not generating better forms.
I read about breakthrough after breakthrough on the FAQ's. I feel both envy
and incompetence for not “producing” better myself.
The very experienced process manager questions my willingness – I nod and
state that I am willing. He asks leading questions to assist me get into my
feelings. When he asks me the questions, I know the “feeling” I am
“supposed” to feel, but I do a good job of keeping the feeling held down.
I
think of the feeling, but it does not produce a feeling in my stomach,
shoulder, or right leg. We go back and forth a couple of times; the process
manager asks if I am willing, I say yes, but I do not get into any forms.
One tribe mate sneaks over and attempts to set me off by startling me by
beating his drum close to my head. It does startle me, and I feel annoyed,
but I quickly manage the feeling and keep my composure. I literally have
professional training in how to effectively neutralize my feelings.
We go back and forth a couple of times; the process manager asks if I am
willing, I say yes, but I do not get into any forms. I summarize the feeling
from around me in the [Tribe]: lack of physical forms = unwillingness. More
specifically, the lack of really going with it and diving into physical
forms, even subtle ones, equates to unwillingness. If this is correct, then
I am unwilling.
However, during the Hot Seat I am not convinced I am unwilling, but can feel
tribe members becoming impatient with my process. I concede that I am
unwilling to allow the process manager to end the process.
Upon checking out, Ed says, “This is about as tough as it gets for
receivers.” He adds that it is the Tribe’s role to assist me to experience
my unwillingness. |
Thank you for sharing your process.
Frequent willingness testing helps keep
the process on track. TTP does not cure unwillingness - it does assist
people who are willing to untie k-nots.
A Tribe that persists in pushing an
unwilling sender is engaging some or another drama, typically around
stubbornness / authority issues.

TTP
Helps Move People
from II to I
and
from I to the Zero Point
TTP
does not intend to move people
from III or IV.
Clip:
http://www.lorober.com/Favorites/
Images/willing%20&%20able.gif
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Mon, 6 Feb
2006
Anxiety
Hi Ed,
thank you for sharing your own progress on FAQ in the post " Snapshot
Support".
Like I tell you before [Name] contacts me, regarding starting up a tribe
in [City]. I am a little anxious to meet a stranger at his place, so I
contact you before to verify he attended. You say "you might take your fear
of strangers to your Tribe as an entry point".
On my way to [his] place I forget his address, so I walk down his street,
miss his place and after a while find myself in a rather bad neighborhood of
[City]. I am about to just go back home, but then I remember that I commit
to the new tribe. I call him up and find out that I mixed up his address.
Once at his place, my anxiety lifts. I find it funny how I ended up in the
wrong neighborhood for the meeting but in the right neighborhood to get in
touch with some fears. These fears remind me of my childhood when I do live
in a low income neighborhood .
The first meeting of this new tribe is a great success. Everybody
participates and gets into some major feelings. I have a great hot seat
experience as well and am glad to be part of such a great group.
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Thank you for sharing your process.

When We Have Anxiety in a K-not
we
do whatever we have to do
to
experience it.
Clip:
http://archerpelican.typepad.com/photos/
uncategorized/anxiety_1.jpg |
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Mon, 6 Feb 2006
General Formula
My general formula for my students is:
Follow your bliss. Find where it
is,
and don't be afraid to follow it.
--Joseph Campbell |
When you separate experience into bliss
and non-bliss, you may invoke an implicit judgment about the non-bliss ones.
In TTP we notice such judgments support
k-nots.

Happy Dogs Don't Search for Bliss
they bring their own along
with them where ever they go.
Clip:
http://hazyland.homepage.dk/
smedegaarden/bliss/blissbader.jpg
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Sun, 5 Feb 2006
Enjoying Anger and Getting Free
Dear Chief
I write to say thank you again for TTP and because my experience may be
helpful to others.
TTP makes an ever growing difference in my life - often
with results that surprise me. I work on many issues at tribe meetings and
at your seminars this last year. I feel that with each "Hot Seat" I reach
deeper "Knots" that control my life. These Knots are so obvious - but only
after I find them.
In a recent Hot Seat I deal with my "hidden" anger. I recall never being
able to express my anger or even really acknowledging it. I cry or run away
from any upsetting situation until I can "control" my feelings. As a result
I am easy to manipulate and I play the victim role in all areas of my life
very well.
I also now recognize this behavior as a way of blocking real
intimacy with someone as well.
This recent hot seat is so far the most life changing experience I have. At
the Tribe meeting I am finally willing to deal with being angry and not
doing anything about it.
I start by telling the tribe about a work situation
that I am angry about and almost immediately begin to choke up and then cry.
I progress though various forms and I do recall sitting on the floor,
wadding up napkins and throwing them in a box with gusto.
I recall this
eventually feeling pretty good and laughing. But we are not done. The
Process Manager continues to probe and we discover "The Judge" in my
throat - deep and well entrenched. I recall doing some yelling, stomping,
pounding and more yelling and at some point reach a great release.
I am
fuzzy on the the details and recall only a sense of extreme exhaustion. At
checkout however, I remember hearing my mother's voice sometime during the
process - "proper ladies do not say things that might hurt people or make
them angry - they won't like you." Well evidently this created judge in my
throat prevents me for many years from saying anything about my own
feelings, even when I feel angry, in fear of offending the other person or
being rejected.
Well, the test comes. Two days after the Hot Seat work I have an experience
with someone I like. In his actions this day I feel slighted and
unimportant. At first mild annoyance and then I am angry. Before this hot
seat I know the feeling of anger would have stayed bottled up - fear of
rejection (especially strong with someone I care for) - but not this
time. I recall allowing myself to feel the anger and then to say exactly how
I feel.
I do not cry. I am new at this. I feel surprise. I feel strange and
I do wonder if he is getting annoyed. I recognize that it is okay if he is.
I do thank the person for receiving my anger. We hug goodbye. I feel light.
I experience an acknowledgment of self. I understand more about my own
desires and boundaries. I have more to learn.
I recognize this week that my interactions with all my friends are now more
open and honest. The communication is more intimate as I can express how I
feel about a variety of things ( joy, sadness, anger).
It opens the door if
they want to share their feelings with me - and some do. I now feel even
closer to my friends as I can really relax and just be me. I can also
express what I want and need from them.
So for me the surprise - what starts as a hot seat about anger is evolving to
much more - it is about being willing and able to express and share all my
feelings. No judgment about good and bad.
I am not being mean or hurtful in
sharing my feelings. I can do so calmly now. No embarrassment. No fear about
rejection. What a great relief. It is about me sharing me with others. I am
open and honest, I also do a better job of supporting my friends.
I believe
this aha for me is on the critical path of intimacy I want in a personal
relationship and in life in general. I may be just at the beginning.
It excites me personally to learn more, to continue to work on myself and to
enjoy the personal growth each day. I am so grateful for TTP. I love working
at Tribe and also love receiving and supporting others. I learn in this as
well. What joy. Thanks again to you for making this possible and thanks to
all the Tribe members for getting me to this point. |
Thank you for sharing your process.

Expressing Anger Willingly
lets everyone know your boundaries
and
typically eliminates the need
to
act out violently.
Clip:
www.pttseminars.com/ theseminar.htm |
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Sun, 5 Feb 2006
Noticing Positive Intentions
Ed,
I am sorry for the delay in writing. I have a tight feeling in my chest that
my writing has to be perfect. I am, for the first time, acknowledging that
feeling and its positive intention. Wow.
First, your children are lucky to have you as a father. I am lucky to have
you as a teacher.
Over the last couple of weeks since the seminar I have really noticed a
difference in myself. Just the act of noticing is new to me.
My “hot seat” experience really moved me forward to my right livelihood. The
process eliminated barriers to progress. The steps I have wanted to take for
years are happening easily. I am now sensitive to my drama and feelings.
Your technique of asking the positive intention of a feeling has also opened
a whole new world to me.
My feelings are my feelings. They are not good they are not bad. They are my
allies, and tools I can use to better navigate my experience.
I use the “check in” as I’m driving to work. It helps me get a better start
on my day. I have also used the “check-out “ as I’m driving home. I have
found both steps help build a “field of acknowledgement” with myself. I am
enjoying this new relationship.
I look forward to checking back in with you as I progress.
Thank you for being so generous. |
Thank you for sharing your process.

The Act of Noticing
can
precipitate AHA's in any surrounding.
Clip:
http://img.periskop.cz/media/
img/peugeot_607.jpg |
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Sun, 5 Feb 2006
European Workshop
Hello,
i would like to opt for The Hague or Frankfurt for a seminar.
Greetings
Henri Amand
|
For this Workshop, I am going with
London. I recall enjoying both The Hague and Frankfurt on my travels
to Europe and would also consider them for Workshops. |
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Sat, 4 Feb 2006
PM Takes Hot Seat
After working
conducting process management on several senders with similar issues, I take
the hot seat with the same issue and find the experience of doing the work
myself substantively different. |
Thank you for sharing your process. |
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Sat, 4 Feb 2006
Proclamations
I noticed your website does not have a “Review and Proclamations” section
for 2005. Do you intend to have such a section?
Hope all is well. |
The proclamations are now
integral to FAQ. People are free to report proclamations and reviews at any
moment of now, not just at year end. |
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Sat, 4 Feb 2006
Speed Rounds
I notice on FAQ, Ed a description of the IV-TT
Rapid Snapshot pre-TTP process, and that it is now
even more intense with multiple short rounds, as
against the single "longer" round from my visit there.
Thanks again for letting me visit IV-TT
in the fall.
|
We are now
doing Snapshot Speed Rounds for critical feedback , about 1-minute per person so we
can complete presentations by N members in about N2 minutes. A group of 8
takes about 64 minutes or about an hour. A group of 12 takes about 144
minutes or about two and a half hours.
Following the critical feedback we finish with a Champion Round
in which each member presents each other snapshot as its champion.

While testing out his new cereal mix on his horse,
Dave gets some feed back.
Clip: http://www.nevtron.si/borderline/feedback.gif
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Sat, 4 Feb 2006
Father and Son
Dear chief,
TTP and Breathwork is the way to go.
In the last tribe meeting I work on an issue which I have with my son and I
have a tremendous experience in today's Breathwork session.
The issue with my
son is that I check his homework for errors. I find one or some and my son
shows me anger. I believe his anger is about me, so this causes drama. In
the hot seat I experience I have different forms and experience a judge.
After honoring the judge and experiencing the original form I get to the
zero point. I know these dramas are not necessary anymore because the anger
is not about me , it is about himself !!!
I think because of this TTP issue (father son) I think about my father and
my ancestors and this leads in today's Breathwork session, which lasts about
one 1 hour, to a lot of pain and tremendous forms (crying and shouting) and
a relieving AHA.
I recognize that I
love and miss my grandfather who dies when I am two years old. I never
consciously mourned and I never thought much about him. But after the
Breathwork session I cry a lot and I even have to light a candle to show me
and him that he matters to me.
Best regards, |
Thank you for sharing your process.

Father and Son
may create create for
each other
many opportunities
to grow
as they age
and
eventually trade roles.
Clip:
http://web.mit.edu/adorai/www/
cute_pictures/father-and-son-lions.jpg |
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Sat, 4 Feb 2006
Tribe Meeting
Tribe tonight was less dramatic and more serious
work reflecting a different Process Manager's influence.
I'm sure. I
managed to make some good progress in the area of defensiveness in the face
of anger. |
Thank you for sharing your process.
Yes, Fred keeps trying to get us to
experience our feelings. When we do so willingly, we gain wisdom and
grow. Otherwise we drift off into drama.
When we learn to experience the feelings
of others without becoming passive or defensive
we provide the environment in
which intimacy can grow.

Carrot Egg and
Coffee
All three deal
with hot water differently ...
The carrot goes
limp and weak,
the egg gets an
even harder shell
while the coffee
joins with and transforms the water.
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Fri, 03 Feb 2006
FEP
I was advised to
look into the work of Larry F. Beutler to see how his work relates to TTP.
(FEP) Focused Expressive Psychotherapy
Just passing on the info. |
I am unable to tell who is advising you.
Please re-write (I was advised ...) in SVO-p.
You might consider (1) visiting the
site,
http://education.ucsb.edu/people/beutler.html
and (2) sending Larry an email
inviting him
to review this site and report how his work relates to TTP.
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Fri, 03 Feb 2006
Professionals
Respond to TTP
Hello Ed,
I have talked with a number of professionals in the Mental Health field
about the theory and success of TTP. Here are a few of the responses I have
received thus far:
A.
It's unsafe
to take emotionally unstable, and potentially volatile clients there. We
cannot defend a program that creates inherent safety risks. Our job
is to encourage clients to express themselves in a controlled and contained
environment where safety risks are minimized.
B.
The employees
(inside and outside of the room) would be afraid of the clients if we
allowed them to unleash their emotions in the manner you describe.
C.
You would need
people with advanced degrees to do that kind of work (PhD's and
Psychiatrists).
D.
It's been tried
and proven unsuccessful. Encouraging people to actually get into
their emotions in the way you describe has been proven to promote further
emotional dysfunction.
My favorite response....
E.
That's what we do every day.
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Professionals A and B might consider
taking their feelings of fear to the hot seat.
Professional C might take his feelings
about wanting to be smart to the hot seat.
Professional D might consider
re-phrasing in SVO-p so we could tell who is doing the proving - and under
what conditions.
Professional E is likely unaware of the
nature of TTP. TTP conflicts with some of the basic rules of
Psychotherapy:
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Some Basic Rules of Psychotherapy
You need an advance degree.
You have to stay in control.
You cannot afford to allow the
patient to see you have your own problems.
There are good feelings and bad
feelings.
You can fix people by ridding them of
their bad feelings.
You can fix people by talking to
people for a 50-minuite hour every so often.
If people don't improve by
instruction, you can drug them into a better mood or lock them up.
If children complain about poor
teaching and / or show symptoms of boredom, you can bring them into
submission with Ritalin and other drugs.
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Sometimes a Smile and a Hug
Does More
than 50 minutes of analysis.
Clip:
http://www.bartow.k12.ga.us/psych/
images/stand.gif |
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Fri, 03 Feb 2006
Relentless
Defiance
Hello Chief
It's amazing that when I know exactly what to do and how to act for the
benefit of all concerned, I will not do it!!! Rather, I will relentlessly
and defiantly try any number of alternatives that have repeatedly proven to
fail.
In Atlas Shrugged, there is a reference to the fact that "man" is the only
living organism that will act in a way to inhibit its growth. Man is the
only living organism that will kill itself.
It's no wonder that we have such great difficulty in our
relationships, when we have the greatest difficulty with ourselves. |
OK.

Sometimes People Appear
to kill themselves.
http://www.buriedaliveillustrations.com/
cartoons/lemmings.jpg |
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Fri, 3 Feb 2006
Scary
I'm gonna run around the streets and scare people with this one

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I wonder if the scary part is the chart
or you running around the streets.

The Market Can be a Scary Place
especially when Bulls and Bears
start trading Cats and Dogs.
Note: If you don't have 9 lives to spare,
employ risk control.
Clip:
http://sb.typepad.com/watermark/
images/boospeaks.jpg |
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Fri, 3 Feb 2006
Workshop in
Germany
Hi Ed,
I follow your work for a long time and would enjoy a workshop in Germany.
I'll bring in three enthusiastic people from continental Europe.
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I am planning a Workshop in England ... and
I am also willing to consider another on the Continent. |
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Thu, 2 Feb 2006
New Tribe -
First Meeting
Ed,
[Our] tribe had its first meeting yesterday and it went very
well. There are 6 members and they all seem to be enthusiastic about the
process after only one hot seat. I think this is a good illustration of the
Under-Fred Network connecting people who are ready and willing to get to
work.
[Name] from the
[City] tribe attended and I feel that he really
helped to get things going. It seems that 2 members familiar with the work
are enough to get a tribe started, even if the other members are totally new
to the process.
I'm just reading the new FAQ post. It reminds me that I too need a receipt
for the Jan workshop and I am interested in a breathwork workshop. |
If you would like a receipt, other than
your own check, send me an email, with the exact receipt you want, and your
address, so I can mail
it back to you.

A New Tribe Meeting
is a lot like
a Jam Session
It takes a couple
of people
to get
one
going
and
then everyone seems to
falls in.
Clip:
http://www.larryunger.net/bands/
images/group.jpg
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Wed, 1 Feb 2006
Worry
Ed Says:
"I am feeling relief about getting some help with all my projects and also a
little apprehensive about starting new relationships."
Ed, I read this report about your snapshot and it rings a bell for me. I
usually feel apprehensive about relationships that don't work at all.
I have
just learned from trial and error, join and pain, to respond a little
faster; but I cannot avoid the feeling of being screwed up in the aftermath
anyway.
I find peace in spirituality instead, as I go through this experience of my
life. I have also moved from my small hometown
where there were no candidates to the TT. Now I feel like setting up a tribe
where I currently live. |
Thank you for sharing your process.

The
Positive
Intention of Worry
is to make sure
things go well
Worry in a K-not
leads
to drama in which
things do not go
well.
Clip:
http://www.balancedweightmanagement.com/
Worry.gif |
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Wed, 1 Feb 2006
TSP
Dear Ed,
I completed the tutorials provided in Trading Systems Project. When is the
next update to this section?
Thanks for your help. |
I am gearing up to continue the series. |
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Wed, 1 Feb 2006
Fear of
Re-Entry
My issue at the Reno seminar -- fear of re-entry.
Today ICE is the strongest position on my watch list at open.
I re-enter (after whipsawing out day before yesterday.
Entry at $52.80 at 5 minute high.
Close at 55.63.
I've got a whip, and you've got a saw!
I commit to my snapshot -- Acres of Diamonds right here at home.
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Thank you for sharing your process.

Getting Back in
is an essential
part of Trend Following
|
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Wed, 1 Feb 2006
Judging
Judgment
Dear Ed,
I thank you for your acknowledgement of my process and I have absorbed what
I consider to be your gentle prodding referred to in your statement about
willingness. I have to say that I think your “meshing” of the two words
“willing” and “will” is one of the most beautiful and insightful creations
in your book. I am writing now to share more of my process and to ask a
question.
Just half an hour ago I witnessed a wanton act of cruelty to an animal. I’ll
spare the details. Seeing this ENRAGED me, and my immediate response was to
go into “TTP mode.”
Instead of allowing my rage to immediately call forth a
judgment I instead encouraged myself to feel the rage (I need to add here
that only by reading your book could I really understand the subtle “trick”
to this — the difference between feeling my feelings, whatever they were, and
indulging in feeling rage PLUS judgment).
My rage was nothing small, it was
WILD RAGE, and I tried to INCREASE it, and it evaporated almost immediately
into a very powerful AHA experience for me, which I will now describe.
I see a major k-not for me (maybe the KING of all my k-nots!) relates to my
younger days when my Dad took me hunting. I wish I could describe it as
vividly as I feel it, but suffice it to say t |