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Mon, 10 Apr 2006
Weight Loss Reply to -
Feelings
Between Me and Losing Weight
see: April 5th
Physically I have found that I have more energy and rarely am I actually
hungry. I also notice that the pain I have in my left knee from a basketball
injury I sustained many years ago is less pronounced when I work out.
The primary feelings that come up in opposition to my intention are
frustration and overwhelm. I feel frustrated that my progress in the program
is not quicker. I also have the feeling of being overwhelmed. It takes time
to exercise and I find it a bit overwhelming to work out each day and still
accomplish everything else I need to do. |
Thank you for sharing your process.

Lots of Paper
can indicate unwillingness
to experience overwhelm.
Clip:
http://www.passionfire.com/
images/Overwhelm.jpg |
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Mon, 10 Apr 2006
Progress Report: Snapshots
Hi Ed,
I want to share my recent progress. Two meetings ago I present my snapshot
to the group. While presenting I have a feeling that reminds me of standing
in front of class when I am about 10 years old.
I am giving a presentation
and I put a lot of effort into the presentation. When I stand in front of
the class I don't present the material well because I feel embarrassed.
I
don't want others to judge me so. Other tribe members point out that I am
not really presenting my snapshot, I just hold it up and say "this is my
snapshot". I take the hot seat and really get into the feeling of not
wanting to present my work and not wanting to clarify to others what I
want. After my hotseat I feel good but not spectacular, I am not aware of a
big aha.
On my way home I realize what I really want: I want to be free to use my
full potential. I want to be free of self-imposed limitations. I feel good
about having this realization and intend to create a new version of my
snapshot. I am not complete on this, however I notice following positive
changes in my life:
- I meet my ex-girlfriend out for dinner. I realize I am done with her, and
tell her that I care about her a lot and that I am moving on. I end our date
right after dinner even though we have further plans. (we break up a year
ago, but now I feel free for the first time)
- Without planning on it, I go grocery shopping and buy a bunch of healthy
food. I have an issue of going out to eat a lot and choosing unhealthy food.
Without consciously trying to change, I stop eating unhealthy food and start
eating nutritious food, just like how I want to for a while already. I feel
more energetic. I also don't overeat anymore.
- My relationship with my current girlfriend improves: I have a great time
when I am with her, I don't have a desire to meet other women.
- My trading account makes consecutive new highs since the meeting.
- I complete the development and back-testing of my trend-following trading
system and start trading the system.
I am very thankful to my tribe for supporting me and you for sharing you
wisdom.
I also thought of a possible way to improve the snapshot process. I am
planning on experimenting with it at our next meeting:
Once we finish the re-drawing of the snapshot (after the first round of
challenging), the presenter takes the hot-seat right after the tribe is done
challenging his snapshot. This gives him the opportunity to experience any
feelings that might come up during the snapshot process while he is still
very hot. Once the presenter finishes his hotseat and makes a short-term
commitment, the next tribe member presents his snapshot for the second time
of the meeting. |
Thank you for sharing your process.
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Mon, 10 Apr 2006
Follow-Up on April 4
Dear Sir:
You are correct in your appreciations, diagnosis and
response to my previous,
manipulative email.
I feel a window of opportunity is open, and I'm
starting a tribe with a colleague friend of mine.
I apologize for attacking you in that, and other
previous emails. I can now see some of the ways how I
create this junk in my (lonely and frustrating) life.
With warm regards and apologies.
Sincerely. |
Thank you for sharing your process.
I do not consider your send to be an
attack - as much as an opportunity to encourage you to be just the way you
are, even more so.

In TTP We Learn to Not Plug In
to the sender's dramas
by supporting the sender
to be just the way he is
and isn't.
Clip:
http://plug-me.crush-me.net/plugdude1.gif |
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Mon, 10 Apr 2006
Pounding the Dollar
Hi
I see you have updated the website to show details of workshop, I am
interested in coming however I see you require payment in the form of a
cheque in US Dollars,
I do not have a dollar account, can I send a sterling
cheque for £1,450, should fx £/$ move to your disadvantage I would be happy
to send another cheque to cover any cost.
Regards,
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The Early Bird rate is $2,499.
For persons who cannot convert from £ to
$, I am willing to accept a cheque for £2,499 in lieu.
I also have a 5-ounces-of-gold plan for
barter-basis enrollees.

You Can Have Any Thing You Want
if you are willing to do
what it takes to get it.
Clip:
http://www.webdesignbuilders.co.uk/pricing.htm
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Mon, 10 Apr 2006
Interesting Point
Dear Ed,
The psychological issue that you address with your site is a complete
deviation from all of the "in your face" holy grail trading sites and
products, that the investing consumer is constantly bombarded with.
I
remember seeing you once in Toronto in the 90's and someone stood up and
asked you where you thought gold would be. Your answer stunned the crowd
and disappointed them as you replied: "I don't know".
Boy we're they disappointed when we were heading back to the office. But
having read market wizards, I began to realize that one could not predict
the future outcome of an event. I therefore chuckled when you gave your
response because I understood.
And no matter how many times i kept telling
the guys, they wouldn't listen. 99% of all of the guys in that room still
trade the same way. And they still unfortunately experience the drama of the
market. I on the other hand decided to follow success and I discovered that
I would rather be boring and profitable rather than have sizzling stories
of defeat, just as you explained in your TT site that losers continue to
loose because they want to loose.
I wonder if there's a correlation between you defining the emotional
attributes of a human's feelings and how this preparation is necessary to
succeed in the market and one's faith in a single divinity.
If a human can
change and balance life by avoiding living it at opposite ends of the
spectrum, and only lives his life by doing acts of kindness, would the
outcome be any different? |
The process of experiencing
feelings seems essential to a rich and fully expressive life.

TTP Seems Consistent with Most Religions.
and seems to help
people from one religion
accept people from others.
Clip:
http://www.uuwausau.org/Images/
world%20religions.jpg |
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Sun, 9 Apr 2006
XML Source
See:
Stock Scan
hello Ed, thanks for your reply. XML / txt file would
be great.
My trading thus far this year has been going good. I
have not taken any profits yet. Last year was a good
year in the sense I learned how to trend follow with
no emotions when going up / down. I have made lot of
trades with small losses and few where I have
significant profits to offset the losses. This year, I
am trying to do some improvements to my picks.
My program {written in perl} only searches for stocks
making highs and only gets into them after a
retracement. I am still fine tuning the process but
hopefully I will have better picks this year.
From your chart scans, I see stocks which are not at
highs {which are not in my list} ... so I want to apply
my techniques to them also. |
OK. |
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Sun, 9 Apr 2006
Weight Loss Reply to April 1 Post
Effects of a Support Team
Ed,
The primary benefit of having a support team and the effect that team
has on me sticking to the program is they/you hold me accountable.
There
have been times during the program where I have wanted to over eat or binge,
but I have refrained from doing so because I knew it would have a negative
impact on the progress that I report each Saturday.
Making a public
declaration and having to report my weight each week helps me stay on the
program, because I do not want to fail publicly at my intention of losing
weight.
Many times in the past I have committed to myself to start the Fit
for life program only to fail shortly after beginning. I suppose I find
failing privately versus failing publicly different. Perhaps the shame of
failing publicly is the driving factor. I may have issues with shame or
judgment? Sounds like some good hotseat discussion issues for a tribe
meeting.
Thank you and the group for the support you provide. It is greatly
appreciated. |
OK. |
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Sun, 9 Apr 2006
Philosopher
Finds The Zero Point
And so, for the first time in my life perhaps, I took the lamp and,
leaving the zone of everyday occupations and relationships where everything
seems clear, I went down into my inmost self, to the deepest abyss whence I
feel dimly that my power of action emanates. But as I moved further away
from the conventional certainties by which social life is superficially
illuminated, I became aware that I was losing contact with myself. At each
step of the descent a new person was disclosed within me of whose name I was
no longer sure, and who no longer obeyed me. And when I had to stop my
exploration because the path faded from beneath my steps, I found a
bottomless abyss at my feet, and out of it comes - arising I know not from
where - the current which I dare to call MY life.
- Teilhard de Chardin |

Teilhard De Chardin
1881 - 1955
The Roman Catholic
paleontologist thinks about how religion relates to science. He holds both
love of God and love of the world.
His most important book, The Phenomenon of Man, is both a scientific
and religious classic interpreting the epic of the evolution of Power. It
contains an introduction by notable scientist, Sir Julian Huxley, and the
Roman Catholics call it as "the most significant achievement in synthetic
thinking since Aquinas," this after they forbid him to publish any more of
his writings during his lifetime.
He sees the world
heading for an exciting convergence of systems, an "Omega point" where the
coalescence of consciousness will lead us to a new state of peace and
planetary unity.
Teilhard de Chardin passes away ten years before James Lovelock proposes
the "Gaia Hypothesis" which suggests that the Earth is actually a living
being, a colossal biological super-system.
Chardin holds that the Earth in its evolutionary unfolding, is growing a new
organ of consciousness, called the noosphere. The noosphere is analogous on
a planetary level to the evolution of the cerebral cortex in humans. The
noosphere is a "planetary thinking network" -- an interlinked system of
consciousness and information, a global net of self-awareness, instantaneous
feedback, and planetary communication.
In these days of
the Internet, Chardin might claim the planet is developing her cerebral
cortex, and emerging into a self-conscious awakening - approaching
Chardin's the Omega Point.
This convergence however is not to be a convergence of merely minds or
bodies -- but of heart, a point Chardin makes most fervently.
"It is not our heads or our bodies which we must bring together, but our
hearts ... Humanity ... is building its composite brain beneath our eyes.
May it ... find its heart, without which the ultimate wholeness of its power
of unification can never be achieved."
Clip:
http://noosphere.cc/teilhardmenu.html
Info:
http://www.harvardsquarelibrary.org/
reverend/12chardin.htm
Info:
http://www.gaiamind.com/Teilhard.html |
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Sun, 9 Apr 2006
Gun Control
How do you feel about gun control?
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I define gun control as: hit the target.
For an example, see this
(6 Meg Movie). |
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Sun, 9 Apr 2006
The Urge to Shop
I've been following my eating plan and I'm down a couple of sizes. I find
myself wanting to shop. Nothing I have fits anymore.
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Spending binges may indicate you're trying to distract yourself.
You might consider taking your feelings to your Tribe before you indulge in any
more retail therapy.

Shopping, like Eating
can
provide necessities
or
help to manifest drama.
Clip:
http://www.istockphoto.com/
file_thumbview_approve/856303/2/
istockphoto_856303_happy_shopping_09.jpg |
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Sun, 9 Apr 2006
Snapshot Process
What is
the latest news on the Snapshot Process? |
At the Incline Village Trading Tribe, we
are working with Snapshots in several key areas.
Our Snapshots represent our overall
greater global view of where we are going.
We use a Challenge Round to share
critical feedback and then an Advocate Round to champion each other's
Snapshots.
For each Snapshot, we make a commitment
to bring some specific evidence of moving toward completion to the next
Tribe Meeting.
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Sun, 9 Apr 2006
TT Email Response Commitment
Dear Ed,
I feel great now seeing our TT email inbox showing the 32 inquires responded
to: 26 about joining us and 6 seeking other TTP information complete.
I now commit to work with my tribe members to create our "Trading Tribe
Information Document" by April 27, 2006.
I love this work.
Thanks again for your dedication to following the trend with TTP. |
Thank you for sharing your process. |
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Sun, 09 Apr 2006
SVO-p/3P
Chief Ed,
I experiment a lot, and I notice that thinking in SVO-p, using the 3rd
person, is pretty darned interesting.
SVO-p/3P seems to create some special effects. It may be a useful
innovation, which advances the work. Please comment on this concept. |
I wonder if you are willing to provide
examples of SVO-p/3P along with your experience of using it.
BTW: "is pretty darned interesting" is
in passive voice.

R2D2 and 3CPO
practicing SVOP-p/3P
http://images180.affili.net/103/744103_1.jpg |
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Sat, 8 Apr 2006
Big and Small
Florida State University in Tallahassee, Florida has put up a very
interesting page on their site. It begins as a view of the Milky Way Galaxy
viewed from a distance of 10 million light years and then zooms in towards
Earth in powers of ten. 10 million, to one million, to 100,000 light years
and then it finally reaches a large Oak tree. If ever there was a witness to
creation, these folks have captured it for our viewing pleasure! Once
you click on the site, the software does all the work. Sit back and imagine
how perfect our universe is! You can play it forward and backward to be
amazed over and over. At the end it says AUTO - click on that and review
the process in reverse!
http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/
primer/java/scienceopticsu/powersof10/ |
Hmmm ... I wonder if you could look
inside a quark and find another universe. |
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Sat, 8 Apr 2006
Stock Scan
Hello Ed,
Got a small request. I have a program which scans
certain sites for stock highs/lows/etc and use the
retrieved information in my program to get my buy
list. I would like to scan your charts page for the
same. Right now the page source has the following for
each of the charted stock:
<p align="center"> </p><p align="center"><img
border = "0" src="1.gif"></p>
possible you could change the source to something
like:
<p align="center"> </p><p align="center"><img
border = "0" src="GNT.gif"></p>
basically change the number.gif to symbol.gif |
The Charts link, above leads to gif
stock-chart images and, at this time, no additional high / low information.
The current generic numerical format
facilitates my uploading a new chart series each day, without having to
re-generate an associating instrument-specific html file.
I can more easily provide a flat list of
the stock symbols in either .txt or .xml format.
Perhaps you might like to share the way
you intend to use the information to make decisions and how your trading is
going. |
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Sat, 8 Apr 2006
Chart Too Big
Ed,
My weight this morning is 246lbs. Attached is the chart in gif format. I
am having trouble sizing it to 250 X 250.
 |
Thank you for sharing your process.
You might consider reporting your
feelings about down-sizing your gif file - and if they are similar to those
about downsizing yourself. |
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Sat, 8 Apr 2006
Cambridge Workshop, Breathwork and Tribe Listing
Hello Ed,
the [City] tribe is alive. We are six members and meeting every other week.
I saw the announcement of the workshop in Cambridge on FAQ and want to
confirm that [Name] and I are attending the workshop. I would also
like to attend the Breathwork weekend.
All the best.
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See the Workshop link, above for
information on Cambridge. To post a listing for your Tribe, see the
Directory link, above. |
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Fri, 7 Apr 2006
Stock Investors Can buy Oil on Monday
Hi Ed !
New oil ETF begins trading Monday. The
symbol is USO. |
For a contrary
opinion on the ETF (Exchange Traded Fund) for gold symbol: GLD, see:
http://www.safehaven.com/showarticle.cfm?id=2243&pv=1
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Fri, 7 Apr 2006
Stock Pick - see earlier
PEIX is up + 20 % since my purchase two days ago. Yay ! |
You might consider taking all your
feelings about this stock, before during and after purchase, right up until
now, to your Tribe as entry points.

PEIX through Friday April 7, 2006
(two days after purchase)
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Fri, 7 Apr 2006
IVTT Application
Ed,
I'd like to apply for Membership in the Incline Village Trading Tribe. I am
complete on the Workshop requirement and I
commit to regular attendance beginning April 27th and continuing until at
least the
end of September. |
Welcome to the Incline Village Trading
Tribe. |
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Thu, 6 Apr 2006
Catching up on Email: Responding to an Applicant
Copy of a Letter from [City] Tribe Leader
Hi,
My apologies for getting behind in email. Thank you for the inquiry.
We find the tribe is a very intense experience, and part of that dynamic is
willingness to participate by each member. There never has been such a thing
as an observer. A way to begin observing is reading Ed's FAQ's on his web
site, and perhaps his book. From that you can see if it would be a good fit
for you. Once you are intellectually familiar with the theory of TTP, have
read the testimonials, and feel a personal need to engage in this process of
self-discovery, let me know and we could explore your participating. |
Thank you for sharing your process. |
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Thu, 6 Apr 2006
Wants Futures Charts
Ed,
You’re a futures trader, yet all the trading tribe charts you show are all
stocks. You title it “Stocks in Up-Trends”, how about adding “Futures in
Up-Trends”? |
Good Catch. Keep your eye on the
Charts link. |
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Thu, 6 Apr 2006
Request for DVD’S
Dear Ed,
I notice your “radiation snapshot” which is a picture of you and others
broadcasting TTP to the world. I also notice you occasionally mention and
encourage taking TTP into other communities like doctors, lawyers,
politicians. I fully support both of these goals -- and similar goals. I
view the Tribe techniques as extremely powerful and worthy of far more
common use. I make my own efforts here locally to attract more members and
tell other communities about TTP.
In my opinion, video of Tribe processes is the best, cheapest and easiest to
create means of teaching others how to do Tribe processes. TTP videos on DVD
would be useful to:
1) Demonstrate and explain what the TTP is to prospective members and to
other entire “communities” – such as the medical, therapeutic, legal,
scientific, academic, political, etc.
2) Teach new Tribe members how to do the various processes correctly,
powerfully and confidently. Make it much easier for startups and small
tribes to recruit new members and become competent receivers and willing
senders.
3) Allow you to more easily and quickly teach new Tribe processes worldwide.
I am of course very aware that TT culture values confidentiality, anonymity
and “what happens in the tribe stays in the tribe”, etc. However, if the
commitment is there and if any obstructing feelings are taken to the Hotseat,
perhaps that present culture could be transformed into one which better
supports tribe growth.
It is possible to create excellent DVD’s that protect the privacy of anyone
who remains concerned about that.
There are probably many Trading Tribe members who would be very willing and
even honored to be associated with the Trading Tribe and Ed Seykota by means
of being featured on a “How To” video documentation of the TT Process.
You
would not need to put the entire IVTT membership on camera or even have them
present at a video session if some individuals chose to stay off camera.
Probably the only person whose face needs to be seen clearly is Hotseat. It
is of course important that the words of the process manager be heard
clearly – especially how he says them.
I must respectfully disagree with the notion that the only effective means
of teaching the process is in person. I and many others have learned a lot
just reading the website and then the book. Video is exponentially more
effective for teaching something like TTP than reading text. A DVD is also
much cheaper, faster and easier to produce than a book. You only need to
create a few at a time and with DVD’s you can easily keep up with
improvements to the Tribe processes which are frequent lately.
Too many people today simply do not read with skill and are used to learning
from video. Even when a person does read well, watching a video to learn
something like the TT Process, you can see and hear aspects of voice
quality, emotion, attitude, enthusiasm, timing, pace, intensity, facial
expressions, body postures, Forms, etc. It is also relatively simple for you
to edit “footage” of Tribe processes with additional explanations and
comments by you, to increase the teaching power of the final (DVD) product.
Showing a video to prospective members of a tribe has “entertainment value”
to a prospect. It is simply easier to watch a video than to read a
transcript or a report. One learns more and can watch the process over and
over until it is easy to do it correctly and with confidence.
Your recent notice indicates that FAQ’S has 50,000 visitors per month from
130 countries.
However, as you often say Ed, the Trading Tribe Process works when people do
the process in a competent Tribe, not from reading the website.
As of Jan. 26, 2006 the Tribe Directory lists 26 tribes worldwide - actually
holding meetings.
Total membership (in viable Tribes) is only 127 people worldwide.
Breaking it down there are 17 “W” tribes (lead by a Workshop graduate) with
90 members total (5.3 average).
There are 9 “Non W” tribes with 37 members total (4.1 average).
There are 21 Startups listed – 3 of these are “W’s”.
There are also 13 listings “in the gray” or about to be removed from the
Directory. Before Jan 2006, many other Startups die and are removed from the
Directory without ever becoming a viable tribe.
(Since Jan 26, the number of people in Tribes and Tribes themselves has
probably increased somewhat.)
While the number of people who visit your website is impressive, is the
number of people currently in tribes anywhere near equally impressive?
One of my intentions and goals is not just for there to be exponentially
more tribes and more members but also for the Trading Tribe Processes to be
used by and powerfully influence the therapeutic and healing communities and
many other “communities” besides traders.
You hint in FAQ’s several times
that you have this desire too. You (and all of us) are developing a powerful
and wonderful thing Ed.
I ask you to seriously consider sharing it with the
world and teaching it to the world in a more efficient and effective way --
by using video on DVD format. |
TTP, like playing music or making love,
involves the full intention of heart and soul, as well as mastery of
technique.
In all these cases, and more, direct
personal contact and lots of practice tend to promote proficiency.
If you feel strongly about producing a
training DVD, you might consider sending me one of your own Tribe - for
possible distribution on this site.
Meanwhile, you might consider taking
your feelings about wanting to impress people to your Tribe as an entry
point.

Cheap, Easy and Fast
is
not always so
cheap, easy and fast.
Cheap:
http://www.cheryllavender.com/
1912%20Prostitute-E%20J%20Bellocq1a.jpg
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Thu, 6 Apr 2006
Advertising the Tribe to Get Members
Ed -
This is a flier that I have used in the past in an attempt to interest
people locally in the Tribe. Maybe, you will find it of interest.
This version is tweaked for Traders - there are only two trading firms in my
city.
I have another version that is tweaked for therapists, counselors, healers,
etc. An area of interest for me.
A few people have expressed interest, but no new members have resulted so
far.
see the flier |
Thank you for sharing your process.
Your results (slow growth) are
consistent with trying to "sell" the Tribe.
You might consider taking the feeling of
wanting to make people want to join up - to your Tribe as an entry point.
Tribes grow by receiving applicants, not
by convincing them.
Say an applicant shows says:
Well, it seems
interesting and maybe a bit intense for me.
You might consider avoiding sending per:
No, it's not
too intense. It's actually really mellow.
And get back into receiving mode, with:
Thanks for
telling me that. You feel it might be too intense"

Some Attempts to Promote Growth
can
lead to a wash-out.
Clip:
http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/
97nov/images/grow.gif |
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Thu, 6 Apr 2006
[City] Tribe Leader Takes Responsibility
Dear Ed,
I, the [CIty] Tribe Leader, realize I am fully responsible for our trading tribe's
correspondence not being responded to until now. When I took over last
November, I asked for a volunteer to handle it because I didn't want to deal
with it. But I fail him, you, our tribe, and those writing by not checking
in and seeing if he needed support until last week. I know he wants to do
it. But his trading progress continues to take precedence. In my check-in
call last night with him, we agree that for now it's my job.
I apologize and commit to respond to all the emails in our in-box by
Wednesday, our next tribe meeting, with the above message. Thereafter, I
commit to reply within two weeks to new ones.
I love the TTP. |
You might consider noticing that I, too,
am responsible for the correspondence - as is everyone else in the world.
I am reaffirming my own intention to run
a competent outfit by upgrading the Tribe registration requirements. |
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Thu, 6 Apr
2006
Shocking
I correct my mistake in my TTID ...
I feel shock of my stupidity. |
You might consider taking your feelings
of shock to your Tribe as an entry point.

A Positive Intention of Shock
is
to help keep us out of trouble.
Shock in a k-not
can
lead to electrifying experiences.
Clip:
http://random.average-bear.com/img/shock-50_2005-08-06-19-46-27.jpg
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Wed, 5 Apr 2006
Weight Loss Chart
Attached is the chart in GIF format as I committed to provide.
Thanks for your support and I hope all is well.
 |
I wonder how you are feeling and, in
particular, what feelings come up in opposition to your intention. |
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Wed, 5 Apr 2006
Libertarianism
I wonder if you know of any countries that are
successfully implementing Libertarian policies? |
Libertarian policies are by nature
incompatible with the growth of government.
At some point during the growth of a
small Tribe or Community, it finds it can no longer accommodate "one person
sending at a time."
It begins to divide into sub-groups and
centralize some functions for "convenience" or for "efficiency." The
people at the center initially view themselves as supporters and
coordinators of the sub-groups.
Soon, however, they succumb to the
temptation to implement policies that favor increasing their own central
power rather than supporting the sub-groups.
These policies develop various twists
such as "screwing from the right" and "screwing from the left." The
former tends to appeal to people with fear k-nots; the latter, to people
with guilt k-nots;
Libertarianism, that favors a reduction
in central authority and a return to local autonomy, is incompatible with
the ever-increasing gravitational pull of the center.
In the late states, society
implodes toward total central control and then collapses. Screams and warnings
from fearful Libertarians confirm the realization of
totalitarianism.
This is the "slippery slope" toward
totalitarianism. I do not know of a case of this trend ever reversing.
As a Trend Follower, I bet on the trend
continuing. As a naive idealist, I'd like to help turn it around.
One problem with the Libertarian Party
is that it tries to be what it can never be: namely, a Political Party.
If such a Party really intends to
succeed it might rather assume the form of countless Parties, each one a
community of people that gets together regularly to help each other stay
clear.

To Find Yourself On This Chart
take the tests, below.
To
trace the typical evolution of societies,
start at the red dot
and
keep moving down
any
path you like.
Clips & Short Quiz: http://www.self-gov.org/quiz.html
Long Test:
http://www.bcaplan.com/cgi/purity.cgi |
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Wed, 5 Apr 2006
Stock Pick
Hi Ed !
This morning I bought PEIX at 23. Now 25.25. I note it is on your long-term
chart page. |
Thank you for sharing your process.
You might consider reporting how you
feel about the transaction
In particular, you might notice the
extent to which the feeling of wanting to be right, in a big way, right away
is an important form relating to staying in position over the long-term.

K-Nots about Persistence
and
Following Rules
and
Honoring Commitments
tend to intertwine.
Clip:
http://www.dribbleglass.com/
misinspired/persistence.htm |
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Wed, 05 Apr 2006
Communication Trading
Chief Ed,
I notice FAQ Ground Rules constitute a complete trading plan for getting
long and short incoming FAQ-communications. I see clearly that Ground Rules
constitute the trade setup conditions under which the FAQ system may or may
not choose to put on a FAQ-communication trade.
I notice that some FAQ-communication trades result in a trade exit.
FAQ-communication trade exits take various forms. Typically, these trade
exits are usually exits of the total trade size established when the
position was established. At times, however, some portion of the original
FAQ-communication trade is trimmed, probably to reduce one or more forms of
perceived risk to FAQ. In all cases, FAQ-communication trade exits have the
effect of immediately reducing FAQ-portfolio heat.
I notice that total liquidation of FAQ trades are often abrupt, and
characterized by a sudden expansion of outgoing FAQ-communication volume,
and range. These final-exit FAQ trading events may be (and often are)
preceded by what appears to be a high-probability narrowing of incoming and
outgoing FAQ-communication range, frequency and volume on a per-position
basis. Such narrowing is often a very good indicator of impending range,
frequency and volume expansion.
I notice that FAQ from time to time re-establishes all-new positions in
earlier FAQ-communication trades, whose entry setup or trend may have
failed, or may have otherwise signaled a trade exit.
I notice the FAQ-communication trading system has a long bias, but that FAQ
does actually engage in short sales of incoming FAQ-communications, from
time to time. I notice these trades are very rare, and are often
characterized by a sudden and immediate spike in outgoing and incoming FAQ-communciation
volatility.
I notice that most FAQ-communication positions tend to trend, with an upward
bias, and exhibit low volatility.
I notice that the holding period of typical FAQ-communication trade
positions tend to be long-term, and often span several years.
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I notice also that
FAQ quite often commits more FAQ-account equity to FAQ-communication
positions that develop strong and robust trending characteristics. This may
or may not increase FAQ portfolio heat, depending on the volatility (and
other characteristics) of the trading instrument. |
You might consider providing a personal
example of your theory along with how you feel about it.
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Wed, 05 Apr 2006
Neil Young
Dear Ed,
Its really great to see that you're a Neil Young fan!!! |
Yes, I respect and admire people who
commit to their work and put in the effort to succeed - in music, and in
other areas. |
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Tue, 4 Apr 2006
Phone TTP &
The Rest of the
Story
I just got off the phone with a dear friend and Tribe Leader in another
State, over 1000 miles away. He is in a state of semi-bliss over the last
few months since becoming involved with TTP.
However, today is
a tough day for him, and we discuss it over the phone. He knows I do not
judge him; I consistently provide a Field of Encouragement through my
friendship (paraphrase). During today's deep conversation about life's
"normal" stresses he begins to experience Forms on his end of the phone.
His legs tap, his
back tenses up, his arm swings back and forth. He informs me it has been
going on for about two minutes, and that something I said that he strongly
related to brought the Forms about.
I encourage him to
go with it -- to get into what / where he is feeling. His forms lead into
nausea and he feels a strong urge to vomit. After vomiting and heaving
multiple times, he again feels "something" in his back and revisits the
form.
Once he fully
follows through with this Form, he is at the Zero Point, and thanks me for
supporting him in his process. The entire process lasted less than five
minutes.
It feels great on my end, knowing I assisted a close friend help himself
through a particularly tough day.
--- The Rest of the Story ---
[ This is the other side of the experience related in the previous FAQ
submission today, by ... my Receiver.]
Dear Chief Seykota,
Had an unusual experience today, that I'd like to relate.
Was VERY stressed for the first time in a long time -- way too much to do,
things coming at me from every angle, and dealing with a lot of stuff that
brings up feelings I dislike. And I was really hot.
This afternoon, I was on the cell phone with a dear friend who is also
experienced in TTP, and while he was sharing his own experiences in dealing
with stress and anxiety, I consciously noted how nice it is that he didn't
judge or criticize me, when I was venting, only a few moments before.
Out of nowhere I felt a form across my back, and tensed, and doubled over,
and started shaking my right arm, and silently went at it for about two
minutes while I listened, before saying,- Hey man, I'm doin' a Hot Seat - do
you mind Receiving?
He cheered me on, as I vaguely described what was happening, with as little
chatter as possible. He was a good Receiver, and gently process managed at
the same time.
I kept it up, and really got into the forms that arose (lots of stretching
and tightening and face scrunching.) When I thought I was near completion,
the nausea hit (I've mentioned in previous ends that this is a recurring
form), and I experienced that, to the fullest.
Then I sat down, exhausted, and we talked for a minute -- actually, he
process managed -- and I felt some residual stuff in my back, and chest, and
at his urging did more of that, and did my best to integrate the forms a
minute or two later, as I neared completion.
As with most Hot Seats, I was left feeling slightly shaky, and clammy, but
also much calmer.
Within a short time I noticed a complete change in state, as the stress
largely dissipated.
The results feel just like regular post Hot Seat bliss, and an hour or two
later, I catch myself walking around the house with a smile on my face,
which is pretty normal for me, these days.
Not suggesting this as a substitute for regular Tribe participation; in fact,
I would not have been attuned enough to my feelings for this episode to have
occurred, without regular Tribe participation over the past many months.
But today's spontaneous phone session was highly effective, and I would not
hesitate to do it again, or act as a Receiver, under similar circumstances.
We found out that, even if the setting is unconventional, TTP works, and is
powerful. It has enhanced my life in more ways than I can count.
Thank you. |
Very nice. Thank you for sharing
your process.

Come Here Watson
I
want to work out a form.
Clip:http://www.connected-earth.com/Galleries/
Telecommunicationsage/Thetelephone/
Firststeps/TM2078.jpg |
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Tue, 04 Apr 2006
Double Dog Dare
Ed,
With deepest respect I humbly submit my thoughts for your consideration.
This communication is being inspired from within, and is the result of an
insight and intention in the moment that is directing and guiding my
actions. I am exhibiting the willingness and courage to follow through with
"internal life guidance", regardless of my feelings. In essence, life is
saying "Do This" in every moment.
Is it possible that if we focus our attention on the moment, and surrender
our will to the insight and direction from within, and follow through with
directed action, while finding safe and healthy ways to completely express
accompanying emotions, life will provide for us in ways greater than we can
provide for ourselves? I believe this may be true.
Is it possible? There is only one way to find out, and to ensure maximum
personal growth, each person must experience the result for himself or
herself and weigh the consequences honestly.
If success is about clarification of intentions and goal achievement, why
are so many people able to repeatedly achieve goals yet still be unhealthy,
and feel unhappy and unfulfilled?
I submit for consideration: Are you evolving TTP? Or, is life evolving TTP
through you? I believe the seemingly insignificant difference matters.
Would you consider trying for a day the following: Surrender yourself to
life (existence) completely. Ignore the past and future, and set aside all
of your plans, goals, dreams and desires. With all of your breath, mind,
heart, soul and strength, completely give yourself back to the essence and
source that created you, life.
Do only what your insight and intuition (in
the moment, from within) dictate, even if it is uncomfortable, and you would
rather not.
Intellectually you will be able to understand and appreciate the
value of the direction. I'd be interested in hearing about your experience
should you be willing to play.
I have to warn you to hold on, this is an E ticket ride. |
Why questions are invitations to engage
the causal model. You might consider reframing your concern in the
system / responsibility model.
I notice you have the insignificant
difference doing the mattering. You might consider re-writing in SVO-p,
per: I feel strongly about the difference between A and B - and then tell
about your feelings.
At the Zero Point, surrendering to the
flow, realizing intentions as results and taking the E Ticket Ride all
converge.

E-Coupon, Formerly E-Ticket
Walt Disney's thing for trains
evolves into train-theme Disneyland
where an E-Ticket originally gets you
onto any ride in the park.
These days you can get
an
eTicket on-line
to
see a Disney Movie.
Clip:
http://www.perrific.com/disney/
tickets/eticket.jpg |
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Tue, 4 Apr 2006
Tharp, Trading,
and Marketers
Dear Sir:
I liked the way you dealed with Van Tharp in your FAQ responses.
You might also consider adding a chapter to your TT site about your own
personal experiences with Trading. Otherwise, you might consider
amending your site title to faggot-Tribe.
I want to think I'm wrong about you, but your similarities to useless
marketers like Tharp are striking.
I guess birds of a feather flock together.
With sad regards.
Sincerely. |
Thank you for providing an excellent
example of manipulative language.
Your liked and dealed
(dealt ?) are both in past tense. Liked indicates you are hiding
your feelings now. Perhaps (guessing from your tone) you are feeling
frustration or anger now.
-----
FAQ does not claim to deliver
trading advice or get-rich schemes. Indeed, from the FAQ Main Page:
The Trading Tribe is an association of
people who commit to excellence, personal growth, and supporting and
receiving support from each other.
The members of the Trading Tribe trade
roles, becoming, in turn senders and receivers for each other.
-----
I do not see how you derive the term,
faggot from this site, either in its sense as a bundle of sticks or in
its vulgar slang sense. Likely it is your own projection. You might
consider examining your feelings about this term.
-----
Per similarities ... are striking:
Here, your passive phrasing is obscure. You do not identify the
properties that you claim Van and I share.
Passive voice is typically the refuge of
persons who wish to project frustration without taking responsibility doing
so.
-----
You don't tell your basis for your
guess, and what alternative you might have, or what particular
feathers associate the birds you cite or to which flock you assign them.
-----
If you wish to continue using
manipulative language, and hiding your feelings you might consider avoiding
SVO-p, personal growth and both Van's and my books and web sites.
Your behavior is consistent with someone
who has shallow, manipulative relationships and who lives a relatively
lonely and frustrating life.
If you wish to get on the path toward
Right Livelihood, You might consider implementing SVO-p in your language and joining a Tribe.

People Who Have Something to Hide
typically head for the past
SVO-p supports taking responsibility
and
staying in the now.
Clip:
http://folk.uio.no/tfredvik/g35/hiding.html |
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Tue, 4 Apr 2006
Wipe Out
Dear Mr. Seykota,
I have one problem.
My whole trading
career is the same.
For example:
double my stake then wipe out, tenfold then wipe out, 200% plus then wipe
out, etc. Most of the time I am wiped.
This cycles are
counterproductive and I do not understand, why I do not have the discipline
to follow the only “law of nature” for success in trading to set stops (for
a longer period of time).
Could meditation
with a stop-loss Mandala be the answer? Do you have an idea?
Thank you for your time. |
You might consider taking the forms you
experience around your trading cycle to your Tribe as entry points.

The Wipeout
is
just one of many stops
around the trading cycle.
Clip:
http://home.earthlink.net/~mikerider/
wipeout.html |
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Tue, 04 Apr 2006
Breathwork Weekend
Ed,
With your approval, I am interested in attending the upcoming Breathwork
workshop. I understand that space may be limited. |
See the Sign-Up requirements, above. |
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Tue, 4 Apr 2006
Van Tharp on
the Money
Ed
Your response to Tharp's email on Mar 29 (in the FAQ) was fantastic. His
book is good to read but didn't help my results much - too theoretical. I'm
sure he is a good guy but your answer was on the money. |
OK. FAQ does not recommend for or
against Van Tharp, or anyone else for that matter. In this case, I am
responding to a direct request from Van to provide information for his book.
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Tue, 4 Apr 2006
Responsibility
I finish reading "The Trading Tribe." I learn much, and I commit to
participate/form tribe and learn more.
One question concerning "Intentions = Results," and "Responsibility."
I can understand
that all of us on this planet are interrelated, and my actions affect all
others. What I don't understand, as an example, is how a woman and her child
near the Tsunami struck areas are in any way responsible for their fate, nor
had any intention of the consequential results.
Your thoughts, please.
Finally, would starting a tribe within my own family (wife and 4 young
children, provided they show intentions), be less likely to work as well as
working with people we have not yet met? I ask this not due to unwillingness
to meet others, but speed up the process until others eventually join our
tribe.
Thank you.
P.S. I did not make myself clear. Even though I have not yet participated in
a Tribe meeting (but intend to), I would like to form a tribe, and ask that
you post my listing. |
You seem to be interpreting the word
"Responsibility" according to the Causal Model. In that model, we ask if
the woman in responsible in the sense of being the cause, being guilty or
being someone (even herself) can blame.
In the system model we notice that in
order to perish in the wave, the woman has to be in the immediate vicinity
at the time of its occurrence.
Furthermore, we all have to do-operate
in order for to be in that situation.
For example, you and I choose to spend
$Billions on the Mid East War rather than on as effective early Tsunami
warning system.
Large-Community policies, such as how to
spend federal money are not likely to change until citizens become willing
to take responsibility for the situation and to experience their
embarrassment, fear, sadness and disgust about the way the system works.

Some People Realize They are Responsible
for
People Perishing in the Ocean
Others seem to float
somewhere above the realization
Clip:
http://www.compulsiveeating.com/
compulsive_eating.htm |
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Tue, 4 Apr 2006
Very Low Cap
Stocks Off the List
Ed,
I am looking at the charts page on your web site. I like the way the new
filter for the daily charts eliminates a lot of the more thinly trading
issues. I feel willing to trade more of these new selections than I do the
old selections.
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Yes. The filter now includes a simple
low-cash-flow filter. Cash Flow = Price * Volume. |
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Mon, 3 Apr 2006
Compulsive
Ed,
In your new TID you claim that one of the recent member successes is
“Trading is more systematic, less compulsive”.
As a systematic mechanical trader, how can you trade compulsively? Wouldn’t
that mean your not following your system?
You also state that “Trading is more profitable”. Again if you’re following
your system, how can you be more profitable?
I’m a discretionary trader, and I deal with feelings around compulsion,
especially when I’m in a drawdown, and I find my trading is more profitable
when other areas of my life are in harmony.
Trading a systematic mechanical system seems to me not to have any of those
traits, you’re either following your system or your not, and it’s either in
a drawdown or it’s not. |
TTP tends to move people away from
compulsive behavior and toward effective, systematic behavior.

The Compulsive Cycle
Includes a succession of forms that
precipitate each other in a repetitive loop.
To
break the cycle,
you
can untie the k-nots
that support the forms.
The
traditional approach
of
using will power
to
overcome the cycle
simply does not work.
The
will power phase
is
just another form
that occurs along the cycle.
Clip:
http://www.compulsiveeating.com/
compulsive_eating.htm |
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Tue, 4 Apr 2006
Cambridge
Workshop
Ed,
what are the requirements for attending and are you delivering the July 21
Cambridge workshop?
thank you
Arnold |
See the link, above. |
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3 Apr 2006
$3 Million
Ferrari ==> Scrap
The California driver only had some bruising ( from the seat belt ) and 2
small cuts.

Before

After
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He might consider making sure his dad is
in a good mood before asking for the keys to the Rolls. |
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Mon, 3 Apr 2006
In a Rut
Mr. Seykota,
Please provide me with some guidance if you can.
I have been trading full time for a number of years. During that time, I
slowly watched both my trading capital and my confidence diminish.
My present trading
strategy, which I have gradually improved and refined over a considerable
length of time, is quite reliable and profitable, as determined by both back
testing and forward testing.
However, I seem to
have finally come upon it at a time when I have lost my nerve to trade.
There is nothing
else I would rather do, and I have given several years of my life to this
pursuit. I think how nice it would be if only I now had the confidence I had
when I first started trading, or if I had only come upon my present trading
strategy before both my account and confidence took such a beating.
I realize that
such “if only” thoughts are just wasted energy, and I try not to dwell on
them. Even so, I am like the burned cat that fears a stove even when it is
not quite so hot anymore, or like a beaten dog that cringes at a friendly
hand that wishes only to pet it.
Could you please
suggest a way that I can get out of my rut and on with my life? I have lost
my momentum, and I can’t seem to get it back. Perhaps a few well-chosen
words could get me started in the right direction. I can’t think of them for
the life of me and was hoping that you might.
Thank you for your consideration. |
TTP does not attempt to "fix" you or
change you. It supports you in untying k-nots by assisting you in
experiencing, ultimately enjoying the feelings you are avoiding.
You might consider taking your feelings
of being in a rut to your Tribe as an entry point.

Sometimes the Way Out of a Rut
is
to get into a bigger rut.
Clip:
http://www.wmconnolley.org.uk/diary/
2003/08/DSCN7129-bike-in-bigger-rut-close_
800x600.JPG |
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Sun, 2 Apr 2006
New Directory
Format
Hi Ed,
I have some problems with the new Tribe Directory format, don't know if
anyone else has tried using this yet.
1) Example of an MS_Word Tribe Information Document for Incline Village:
Incline Village, Nevada is underlined as though it were a link, but clicking
on it is ignored.
2) The new listings (California: Orange County), (Nevada: Incline Village),
(Illinois: Chicago) do not include any info on how to contact these tribes.
The listing IS underlined on my screen. If this info is in a "linked
document", I cannot tell how to locate that document since clicking on the
link has no results.
Perhaps it's just me - I am a programmer and don't own or have a use for
MS-Word, although I do have WordPad and that has always worked well enough
previously to communicate effectively.
Perhaps your "Trusty Word Processor" (FAQ Mon, 17 May 2004) could run a
quick check and see if I am doing something wrong. |
The TID (Tribe Information Document) is
now in plain text format. See the Directory link, above. |
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Sat, 1 Apr 2006
I'll give it to
you straight
Mr. Seykota,
I read about you in the book Market Wizards and I think that what you've
done in the trading arena is absolutely incredible, simply brilliant.
I'll just give it to you straight. My understanding is that you took one of
your first 6 clients and turned the $5,000 that they invested into
$10,000,000 over a course of 16 years.
Do you still do that? I mean, do you still take people's investments and
grow them? Because if you do, I'll tell you what, after May 1st, 2006 I'll
have $15,000 in my savings account ready to invest immediately.
If not, do you have anyone that you highly recommend that does what you used
to do and is as good as you are? |
Yes, I can still do that if you can help
me.
In particular, if you can get some money
to me in 1972, I can get you a pretty good compound rate since then to the
present.
If you want to place funds with me now,
I can tell you now (as I recall telling people in 1972) to prepare yourself
for substantial drawdowns and to anticipate profits at your own peril.

If You Want Explosive Performance
You
may also have to endure
heat, confusion
and
other forms of fallout
Clip:
http://webs.advance.com.ar/
alegreto/fotos/explosion%20Nuclear1.jpg |
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Sat, 1 Apr 2006
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