from Ed in Red)
Wed, 14 Jul
Meeting & Poof !
Thank you for allowing me to attend the tribe meeting last Thursday.
It was a great experience. The problem I came in with was absolutely
dissolved when I got back to the hotel. Gone, poof, no tension or drama.
The process must have happened in the blink of an eye.
+ Fred = 0
Tue, 13 Jul 2004
with getting stopped out
I started trading commodities recently and had the experience of the
market (orange juice) taking my stop out and moving higher.
Just could not
get over it for some days. If the system says that the, market is a buy
and you have lost about 300 ticks or so because your stop was taken out
and market moved higher, are we not taking a greater risk if we do not
reduce the bet size for re-entry ?
might take your feeling of "just could not get over it." to a
Tribe meeting, as an entry point.
people use trading
drama to feel depression.
the positive intention
Tue, 13 Jul 2004
to join IV TT
I am interested in becoming a member of the IV TT. Enclosed is a copy of
my resume & an essay describing my understanding of the TTP. [I
am willing to commute from Idaho to Nevada, by car every two weeks for
Thank you for your consideration.
send a 1-page description of your trading rationale. See Directory
Tue, 13 Jul 2004
I read the "Discovery" report in the pollinators page.
"The emotions a sender feels are one part of a dipole" - Is the
first part of the dipole the typical feeling a sender gets/takes to the
Do you find that all feelings have a dipole or just the strong/strongest
What is the process to find the dipole of a feeling on the hot seat? How
do you locate it? Is it more difficult to find?
Can you describe in detail the process you use for reunion of the dipole
Is the result of successful reuniting a feeling of disorientation? Does
disorientation mean I complete the reunion process? Are their any other
feelings that help me understand that I take reunion to term?
Lastly, Easan brings up an excellent point regarding the potential
uncomfortable-ness of freed intention and the potential to revert to more
comfortable but restrictive past ways of being.
do you have to avoid this reversion in the emotionally/psychologically
delicate and fertile post-reunion stage?
Thank you for your help.
polarizing and combining forms as in the Polarity Process and in
Half-a-Yoga are a bit of an art form.
am preparing a paper on it, ultimately a book.
you might experiment with it yourself, apply to IV-TT as a pollinator, or
attend the next workshop, likely in October.
Date: 13 Jul
I obviously missed the castle solution and felt a bit embarrassed finding
can you tell from the chessboard snapshot that the white king
wasn't previously moved during the game so it would be impossible to
The solutions of the "now" depend on the assumptions of the
"past" and the
rules of the game, don't you think?
I take my feelings into conventional therapy.
I see my feelings that want to bubble out, I also see the other feelings
which prevent me from feeling the other ones. I think its going to be a
breakthrough. I am about to do something I hated doing for so many years.
I want to be free within myself and it's my responsibility to become free.
PS. I also intend to convince my therapist to do some primal and
rebirthing later on.
you can draw information from the context of the problem. For example,
chess problems have solutions. So, absent any other solutions,
0-0-0 must be the move.
the dog tells you a lot by not barking.
might take your embarrassment to a Tribe meeting - also you might inform
your therapist of your interest in TTP.
Mon, 12 Jul 2004
Question in Light of Grof
My question concerns "trust" (may not be the exact word to
describe what I mean) in the initial stages of the TT process.
I have asked a variant of this question before, your response is at Sat,
20 Mar 2004, at TTP and Secrets and Strangers
I have re-examined the FAQ item above. I noticed your reply covered
receiving in some detail. I get this piece of it, ie how irony and paradox
can develop in one's life:
Ed Says: In Fred's unceasing effort to communicate
feelings, even set up dramas to get our attention, we may engage
situations we would prefer keeping to ourselves.
I have examined the material at: http://primal-page.com/sgrof.htm
This material says that issues involving trust of others can develop from
specific circumstances surrounding an individual's birth. Specifically, it
describes how, if certain stages of the birth experience are especially
traumatic, in that case issues of "trust" can develop in the
At issue with me is not TT receiving but rather, specifically TT sending.
Rationally I get the true value of proactively expressing the feelings via
TT, especially when compared to the messy alternative of Fred-generated
That's the question background; these are the questions:
0. If I understand it correctly, TT is a technique to "burp a
baby" in some sense. The burp wants to come out. It's going to
express itself one way or the other. The burp is the message from Fred
wrapped in a kind of emotion-envelope which needs to be "sent"
and ultimately "opened" to get the message. Does this
understanding sound right to you?
1. Assuming individual "trust issues" consistent with an
especially traumatic birth, and the high level of mutual trust required
for effective TT, (especially sending,) how do I get past the 'baked in'
trust issues to jumpstart the TT **sending** process?
2. Is the answer to start with the "trust" issue as the very
first issue to probe with the TT process as sender in the hot seat?
you have trouble burping, experience the trouble; when that disappears,
the burp follows.
you have trust issues, experience the feeling of not trusting.
when we do not feel totally in alignment with someone we can guess that
they support us (and trust) or we can guess they do not support us (and
you come into alignment trust becomes less important, taste more
less about trust,
Mon, 12 Jul 2004
Until I stumbled upon you website through
www.TurtleTrader.com, I used to
think that the matter under my skull is 100% subconscious neurons, and 0%
For so long I have wondered, where along the path of life, have I fired
logic and promoted feelings to my CEO position.
I have had an amazing ability to create drama where-ever I went. Not only
am I able to act it out, but also able to drag into it everyone involved,
no matter how calm, logical, and calculating they naturally are.
Suffice to say,
my last two employers ended up hiring personal consultants to help me with
my 'emotional' state. In each case, when they recommended that I leave my
emotions behind at home, it meant the end of my relationship with that
employer, for I have identified myself as 'nothing but a bundle of
emotions,' and I was proud of it!
I know now that I have a very strong conscious mind. It's strong, but it's
also an idiot – conceited, stubborn, and ignorant. It has never allowed
my Fred to express itself, it has never allowed my pent up emotions to be
released, so they went nuts every now and then and they revolted and made
I am glad my Fred has been so strong willed and so tenacious. I am also
glad I ran into you, albeit digitally. I now have hope for a more
fulfilling living experience.
To put it in SVO-p terms: I NEED / WANT TTP, NOW.
I am applying to the San Jose sub-tribe. I hope to meet you in person one
might consider taking your feelings about feelings to a Tribe meeting - as
an entry point.
be Right Livelihood too.
Sun, 11 Jul 2004
In reading about
the polarity process, Mr. Katir reaches a point in his essay where he says
:"Ed encourages me to go through a process of reunion".
He then declines
to describe it in writing. since this is something which we have not
explored much in [our Tribe], could you attempt to describe the process of
am preparing information about the new Polarity Process and about
Half-a-Yoga - as part of a major update to the TTP Process Page.
Far so Good
Sun, 11 Jul 2004
Earlier in the
week, I clicked on the link to the primal page and saw what appeared to be
a a rather lengthy article. I decided to leave it for the weekend however,
on today Sunday it is denying access. is there a registration involved -
or is it a money issue? please let me know.
PS. The next seminar sounds interesting. however, is it absolutely
necessary to have attended the May workshop?
is free. Occasionally parts of The Internet may be down.
next seminar is open to all.
Sun, 11 Jul 2004
Hope all is well with you. I am having fun system testing with [Software].
I am learning so much and thoroughly enjoy the process. I intend to have a
system developed when I return to IV-TT. I have evaluated my commitments
for this summer, and will be able to return on September 2nd.
It is hard to describe how much my life and outlook have changed over the
past year. Thank you so much for your help.
Sat, 10 Jul 2004
about who "owns" Yoga postures seems a little like fighting
about who practices "real" religion.
the only way to find out
has the real path to peace
to fight about it.
Sat, 10 Jul 2004
Names for New
Hi Ed !
The author of the oldest treatise on the subject, Patanjali, defines yoga
as: cessation of the modification of the mind."
are some names for the new TTP process of combining multiple forms]
Yogi Berra, Berryoga
Yoga Zero Point
Since it appears in the west,
since yoga means 'union',
could call it:
seems better than Know-Yoga et all.
Fri, 9 Jul 2004
Yet Another TT
subconscious appears 2 times and unconscious appears 3 times.
My questions are:
1. Would you please consider more explicitly defning these two terms
within the TT context?
(These terms appear ambigious to me relative to each other inside TT
writings, especially on the referenced page, and also inside the
dictionary itself to some extent.)
2. Can the dictionary definitions listed below be applied to occurrences
of these words inside the TT context?
Main Entry: unconscious
Function: noun : the greater part of the psychic apparatus accumulated
through life experience that is not ordinarily integrated or available to
consciousness yet is manifested as a powerful motive force in overt
behavior especially in neurosis and is often revealed (as through dreams,
slips of the tongue, or dissociated acts)
Main Entry: subconscious
Function: noun : the mental activities just below the threshold of
consciousness; also :
the aspect of the mind concerned with such activities
words unconscious and subconscious are relatively
interchangeable, except in rigorous psychological discussion.
the purpose of implementing the Fred-ian model, I prefer the purposefully
ambiguous and indefensible term, Fred.
might consider taking your feelings about ambiguity and precision into the
of Essential Ambiguity
Fri, 9 Jul 2004
3-Day Dog and
re: the 3 day workshop in Reno ... when might the next one be scheduled?
I have a young novice trader in mind who could use some interaction and
Your comments on pyramiding ... the saw buck, pyramid with the eye above.
I had to go out and buy one for $1.35 CDN peso dollar exchange to see what
you were talkin' about.
classic Seykota ...
regards [from Canada]
workshop is likely in October.
tend to come to TTP when they are ready; sending someone else does not
might take your feelings of wanting to fix someone else to a Tribe
Can Fix a Bicycle
doesn't have a Fred
Fri, 9 Jul 2004
Question on Fred
This TT statement relates to my questions below:
"When Freds recognize each other as useful to each other in this way,
we feel "chemistry." People from abusive childhoods typically
find an irresistibly strong visceral attraction for an abuser, and may
even select one for a mate."
My questions are:
Once Fred and CM are in sync, and you are intentionally maintaining that
a. Is it correct to expect you will likely be drawn towards human
relationships that have as a property the relative absence of drama and/or
b. Is it correct to expect you will likely be repelled by current human
relationships that have as a property the presence of drama and/or
who practice TTP tend to replace drama with right livelihood.
who do not experience their feelings tend to entrain dramas that excite
these same feelings.
get that old feeling back again
Thu, 8 Jul 2004
I have two things:
1. On this page http://www.seykota.com/
is a headline that says:
"Under Fred - The Primary and Unconscious Way People
Up to this point I thought people communicated using verbal (speech,
language) and non-verbal (ie body language, facial expressions) methods.
Can you elaborate in a little more detail how Under Fred is the primary
way people communicate?
2. I think I picked up a typo or something similiar.
On this page
"The Collective Unconscious is Under Fred."
This differs from the separate descriptions of UnderFred and Collective
Unconscious on this page:
Fri, 28 May 2004
Could you explain these apparent diffences in the UnderFred definition?
To test if speech is under conscious control, read this, aloud, and write
down exactly how you make all the right sounds.
This website has about 60 MB of information and reflects a practice that
keeps changing, so it likely has numerous inconsistencies. Thank you
for pointing some of them out.
am preparing a major revision and update to some of the essential pages.
Fraction of Speech
under conscious control.
Thu, 08 Jul 2004
If you agree, I wish to share this free link (its a non commercial
tutorial for C++ ) with you and all tribes who are interested in C++. http://www.cplusplus.com/
I learn C++ now to be able to program and back test my trend following
Thank you for sharing the faq with us, its a mine of knowledge and wisdom.
Kindest regards to you and yours.
programmers can encapsulate objects to allow them to be responsible for
support without enabling
to parenting, programming
just about everything else
Thu, 8 Jul 2004
Have you ever traded labor for a temporary room? I do know how to split
wood. I would guess that its one of your favorite jobs so I won"t be
expecting you to give it up. Later
are all here on this planet, temporarily, sharing some room with each
other. Some chop wood and some carry water.
about we help each other a bit more, fight a bit less.
Wed, 7 Jul 2004
understanding of TTP
I am honored to be a founding member of the Los Angeles Tribe and have
never missed a tribe meeting. I have used the tools of TTP both as a
direct participant and as support to others, including Sending, Receiving,
Hardball, Snapshot and Polarity.
TTP is about getting Fred and CM to communicate freely. TTP is about
staying in the now. This communication comes from locating, experiencing
and validating feelings that you like to feel and that you do not like to
The social environment has created an atmosphere to discourage me to feel
my feelings. This has led to a blockage of communication between my Fred
and my CM. If I do not validate "feel" these feelings then Fred
creates an environment for me to feel these feelings that I have refused
to feel. Fred continues to create dramas that really intensify until the
feeling Fred was trying to communicate to me has been felt or
All feelings are good and serve the purpose of trying to help me. As long
as I recognize the feeling and let it give me its advice, Protective
Warning, all is well. If I disregard what Fred is trying to tell me then
dramas begin. The under Fred network brings people and circumstances to me
like a magnet all in an effort to have me feel the feelings I have been
trying to avoid. All people are in the under Fred network and never
recognize it. It allows them to run their system. I know that my system is
controlled by the feelings that I am unwilling to feel. To the extent that
I validate the feelings that I have been unwilling to feel, labeled good
and bad, is the extent of my freedom. Without validating my feelings I am
bound to continue the same system (life, trading etc.) that I am now.
Using TTP allows for the release of drama. Knots, issues and tension are
validated through the use of TTP. When you validate your feelings they are
released and a trance like state is normally achieved. An understanding of
the feeling(s) may take place immediately or in the weeks that follow.
These are known as AHA's.
You really must do TTP to understand it. It is like the difference between
reading about sex and actually having sex. You can read about sex all day
long but only when you experience sex for yourself do you understand it.
I have made great progress through the use of this material and thank you
for sharing it with us. I would like to attend the meeting on July 8,
2004, in Incline Village.
Wed, 7 Jul
Hello again. We have had email contact in the past and I would your input.
I have enjoyed profits trading an "N-day breakout" over the last
12 months but I am getting frustrated with whipsaws and my own psychology
of "getting scared" when the stock hiccups. I recently bought
AIRT as an N-day breakout but sold at a LOSS when the stock drifted down
for the second day in a row. AIRT later climbed 50%+ the next day. Imagine
CALM, CLCT, IPIX, MAGS are all previous trades, with obvious breakout
chart patterns. I sold them when my trailing stop, placed at the 10-day
EMA was touched.
Issues I am dealing with:
1 - Trailing stop at 10-day EMA often gives up profits.
2 - 15/30 EMA stop (roughly same as 50-day line) works well but I get
"scared" that the stock may tank early
3- 3/6 dual EMA appears to be good short-term stop, comments?
also, I personally feel a short term dual EMA is better than an ATR stop,
since the short term dual EMA is "naturally" continually
accounts for noise and volatility.
My system is:
• For the last market close:
• NASDAQ Stocks with...
• Daily Close for today is greater than Maximum High over 126 days
• Daily Close for today is greater than Daily Open for today
• Daily Close for today is less than or equal to 25
• Daily Close for today is greater than or equal to 2
• Daily Close for today is greater than Daily Close for yesterday
• Daily Volume for today is greater than or equal to 250000
• Daily Volume for today is greater than or equal to 63-day Exponential
Moving Average of Volume for today times 3
• 63-day Exponential Moving Average of Volume for today is greater than
or equal to 25000
I suppose a simple summary of my question (s) is how do I psychologically
deal with whipsaws and from a trading standpoint, improve my system to
It is difficult to be whipsawed out of 4 of 4 trades and trade again when
Trade #5 may be the big profit maker. I know this however the frustration
still impedes with my ability to pull the trigger.
can't steer a car by placing your hands on the rear view mirror and
twisting it around.
can't deal with your fear of whipsaws by tinkering with your computer
might try taking your feelings of fear and frustration to a Tribe meeting
where you can experience them.
Rear View Mirror
show you a lot of things
not your own rear.
Date: Wed, 7 Jul
Just checking to see if you had any new workshops planned? If not, do you
offer any additional services/manuals, etc.?
Wed, 7 Jul 2004
Individuals, and the TT Model
The TT model of the individual and the experiential TT techniques that
assume that model appear to be robust and effective for both explaining
adjusting towards wholeness a very wide range of human behaviors.
Referring to the TT process as described at
specifically to the Under-Fred Network (UFN), I have the following
1. You answered a question about the important differences between the UFN
and the Collective Unconscious. The question and the answer appear on this
Fri, 28 May 2004
Question: Does is make sense to include the "catalog" as a
component of the overall TT model ?
2. Do you think it likely that the TT model for the individual could also
also apply to an entire society, viewed in the aggregate as a **single**
unit of psyche?
Specifically, do you think that an entire society or civilization can have
a "societal-level-of-scope" Fred that attempts frequent
communication with the "societal-level-of-scope" CM .... with
resulting "societal-level-of-scope" drama when Fred->CM
communications are blocked?
Examples of suspicious, outward "society-level-of-scope" dramas:
turbulent markets, revolutions.
3. All of these societal dramatic forms (wars, revolutions, huge bull/bear
moves) seem to follow cycles. Do you think these cycles are indicative of
and in a sense confirming societal-level stages of life, and painful
death-rebirth transitions, as described for individuals at http://primal-page.
These are my three questions for the moment.
you for sharing your insightful observations.
Fred-ian model intends to provide support for TTP, not to explain
psychology; the model is essentially indefensible.
some point, if the model proves successful in application, it might be
worth developing some scientific depth, such as determining if Under Fred
resides in the mysterious region of the brain opposite Wernike's bundle.
tend to reinforce emotions and cancel logic - see the classic, The
Crowd by Gustav Le Bon.
Fred-ian model does seem to apply to organizations.
corporation, early in its life cycle tends to focus on right livelihood;
later on, absent the lift of a driving dream, it tends to evolve into sub
groups that invalidate each others' feelings.
is arguably the most successful therapeutic technology ever. At AA
meetings the members typically segregate into four mutually and subtly
invalidating quadrants, according to preference for coffee (Y/N) and
the political season, that is visiting itself upon us again, you might
observe that the party that is unwilling to experience intimacy and
lust tends to favor laws that restrict other people's sexuality.
party that is unwilling to experience avarice and greed tends to favor
laws that redistribute wealth.
the basis for a multi-party system is unwillingness to experience
elections determine which feelings to officially invalidate and which
dramas the citizens have to subsidize.
Wear Various Masks
announce which feelings
are unwilling to experience
who are willing to experience most all of their feelings tend to lose
interest in the political system.
The officially apolitical Libertarians are typically unwilling to
experience feelings about authority. A political party that could
lead the nation in sharing, receiving and experiencing these forms, might
substantially further the cause of freedom. Typically political parties
tend to invalidate each other and tie each other up in k-nots.
Wed, 7 Jul 2004
The Socratic method of asking questions that is FAQ’s mode of operation
stimulates the asking person quite nicely. I keep thinking about my
questions, very stimulating.
TTP is a helpful process for me. I go into my feelings of loss from years
ago, not analyzing, not recalling, but feeling them in the body and that
makes them well … my feelings, not my masters or my problems or
I would also like to share these words of a leading Stoic, Epictetus, with
Do not seek
to have events happen as you want them to, but instead want them to
happen as they happen, and your life will go well.
Sounds good to
me, sounds like a flow. Now, I know from your remark in FAQ that stoicism
is not quite in line with TTP because it treats feelings as a sort of a
lesser element of being human, but still this is a good remark by
Epictetus. I like Zen, stoicism, trend following, celebrating my feelings
and a couple more good things in life.
Tue, 6 Jul 2004
I am writing to apply to the Incline Village Trading Tribe. I can commute
from San Francisco twice monthly to the Thursday tribe meetings. Although
I know there
is a tribe in the bay area, I feel learning from you and your tribe is a
greater commitment worth making.
I have immersed myself in the markets and trading for several years and
have taken pieces from those who have come before me in formulating my
process. However, it has been through your site and my exposure to TTP
that has taken me to another level.
I understand that TTP promotes the flow of experience from Fred to CM.
Society often encourages us to distance ourselves from our feelings and
even repress them. When these feelings from Fred become repressed, they
typically manifest themselves in even greater intensity through dramas,
thoughts, or imagery. These feelings are also often associated with
destructive behaviors. TTP allows for the communication of these feelings
between Fred and CM in a comfortable and non-judging environment (i.e.
Tribe). In experiencing these repressed feelings accumulated over a
lifetime, we release the tension of the “knots” we have tied,
reinvigorate ourselves, and join the trend toward simplicity in our lives.
Tue, 6 Jul 2004
In your Market Wizards interview, you mentioned your use of hypnosis.
However, in the context of your response to Mr. Schwager's question, it is
not clear whether you were serious or if your comment was more
Have you, in
fact, used hypnosis in connection with your trading and, if so, have you
found it useful? Have your views changed over time on the usefulness of
hypnosis as it relates to trading? And finally, if you are indeed
continuing with the use of hypnosis, how does it fit in with the Trading
Thank you for your attention in this matter.
aims to access the subconscious through a dreamy, sleep-like form.
TTP aims to access the subconscious through whatever form presents.
You Been to
are you just glad to see me?
Tue, 6 Jul 2004
Have you heard of Nicolas Darvas. "How I Made $2 Million in the Stock
Market"? What a mind.
Do you know if this guy is still alive? I've run many searches and scans
but cannot find him.
I haven't seen him around the Lake lately.
Mon, 5 Jul 2004
In Market Wizards, you stated that you were short the bond market during
the 1987 stock market crash. Bonds went limit up for 2 days, yet you still
had a profitable month. Michael Marcus said in his chapter that you
recommended a coffee trade to him, and he got stopped out, while you were
long and the market went limit down.
How do you measure, limit, and/or determine the appropriate amount of
exposure when taking a position?
By exposure I mean-how many contracts to buy or sell. You have stated in
the FAQ that "many seasoned professionals consider risking 1/2% to be
lively, 1% to be aggressive and 5% to be maniacal." (January 8-15,
Hypothetically one can buy and sell a large amount of contracts (a lot of
exposure) while only risking 1/2% or 1% of total equity.
How do you
prevent situations like the 1987 Bond Market and Coffee Market from
severely affecting your equity?
PS You have a fantastic website, thank you VERY much for discussing the
markets with us.
is no way to prevent situations like 1987 bonds - there is, however a way
to allow for them, both mathematically, with system testing and
emotionally, with TTP.
more on risk, see Risk Management, above.
often more practical than preventing
Sun, 4 Jul 2004
I am writing to let know you that I carefully examined the recent TT link
to information at http://primal-page.com/sgrof.htm
As a result of this, I have several important and pivotal new insights
into my own behavior, and the behavior of other key people in my life.
Thanks for posting that link. It is extremely thought-provoking.
Sat, 3 Jul 2004
My wife and I just returned from a 3-day backpacking trip through the
Desolation Wilderness, south-west of Lake Tahoe. I composed a poem along
Step by step
The path leads where it may
One foot in front of the other
My only job to-day
I lift my eyes
And down I go
Whilst looking around the bend
The rock seized upon my toe
First I swear
And then I laugh
‘cause the rock told me
“Keep your eyes upon the path!”
“What lies ahead?”
I ask the rock
And his reply?
“You crazy schlock!”
“Don’t you know
that around the bend
is like a koan
You can’t comprehend?”
“Those who claim
the future can be seen
sometimes get lost
with regression to the mean!”
Thank you o’great rock
for setting me straight
On the middle path
the only true fate
+ Aha --> Tahoe.
Sat, 3 Jul 2004
I quote my proclamation to you on 31st December 2003 ...
+ Using my computing skills and interest in trading to secure myself a
position in an investment bank or other similar financial institution.
Through this I will satisfy my curiosity for understanding the business
and organization of such a place, and also my demand for being in an
Well, I'm very happy to report that I have been offered a position as a
software developer/support person in the department of "automated
market making for equity derivatives" at [Firm] in London. :-) I'm
working on the other proclamations.
Thank you for your time and effort on your web site -- it has been and
continues to be (although it's gradually becoming a passing AHA) quite a
resource for inspiration and reason.
The rabble really do play a very dirty game.
-- Fyodor Dostoyevsky, "The Gambler"
Fri, 02 Jul 2004
Thank you for answering my last email.
I am proud to announce you that a first member has joined our tribe
He is new in trading (few months) and has been a teacher for young
children during few years. I have a good feeling that his knowledge about
psychology and his love of kids can contribute to the growth of our tribe.
I avoid giving him advises and answers to his numerous why’s about
Instead I show him your site:
· Cover few faqs (he enjoys that.)
· Read the risk management (he sees the importance of fractional bets for
trading maximizing the gain on growing account but also automatically
minimizing the losses (during drawdown).
Read the TTP
process text. He got a bit nervous then we decided together how important
it is if not the most important point for successful trading.
I mean to reach harmony with “Thyself” and others (right livelihood)
and being able to apply successfully a trend following system.
Today we set up an appointment for a small workshop on Monday to
experience my feeling of “fear of trend following system”. I will sit
in the hot seat as the sender and he will be the receiver.
We have no experience but he read carefully the role of the receiver. I am
a bit nervous and wish you were here to guide us.
My last trade has given me a huge gain and I was able to follow my system
for that trade (stood still during the trend because of good initial risk
calibration based on your risk management file) and also because of all
the psychological support I got from the faq (obviously from right column
but also sometimes from the left column!).
I am now back working on my trend following system to “finally” define
unambiguous entry signals (I sometimes was still filtering and not
following the system because I had a “wrong” feeling that my “discretionary”
decisions based on (news, intraday pattern, hours of trading and so on.. )
could improve the entry level of my system of few pips (forex) or avoid
(filter) a bad trade.
Having some knowledge in aerodynamic I am studying and enjoying your
radial momentum approach for mechanical of fluid.
Again thank you for sharing your great wisdom and your tremendous
experience in trading with us all.
Date: Fri, 2 Jul
London Cocoa baby! check out that chart. got short 2 days ago on the huge
outside day. its over for this pig.
language conveys feelings above and beyond a simple buy or sell statement.
might consider taking these feelings into the process. In this case
they look like pretty good somatic signals, albeit contrary to the content
of your send.
market looks pretty much straight up since the moment your email.
and Bears Can Both Win.
and chickens rarely do.
Thu, 1 Jul 2004
Hi Ed !
... Thanks for
Easan's Pollinator article. I read it, and I was like, WOW! This is a
whole new way, and I wonder how it's really like!!!
In fact, [I
decided to] try resolving two of my issues (uncomfortable confronting
others and also fail to honor commitments so as to feel guilt and the
attention/sympathy from others) by using the polarity method.
So in my tribe meeting last night we discussed the polarity methods.
(Actually someone brought it up before I did!!!) And we re-read your
article several times, as well as one of the FAQ posts. We tried but
there are lots of areas we are not sure, and since you've had first hand
experience, may we get some insights from you?
1) [The article recommends identifying] one feeling in the usual TTP way.
Do you go very deep into it until you get an Aha and its positive
intention, or do you just notice it (e.g. a pain in the chest) and then
move on to the second feeling?
2) How do you locate the second feeling then? Via the usual TTP method? Do
you have a second feeling (or "issue") already before you start?
So let's say you are feeling tightness in the shoulder area. How do you
know it is the dipole of the first one instead of just another feeling, or
a deeper level of the first feeling?
3) And do you, as a sender, decide to get out of one feeling and jump to
another, or the receivers "lead" you to getting out from one and
to the other? [If] the role of the receivers is just to encourage and
cheer the sender ... I'm hesitant in "leading" others. Is it not
the case with Polarity?
4) We are still confused on how you "merge" those two feelings.
I mean, feelings change. How do you experience simultaneously say the pain
in the chest and tightness in the shoulder at the same time in the now
when both of them change? How do you give your attention to two feelings
at the same time?
I'm sorry to bomb you with all these questions, but our group got very
excited and was eager to try. Yet I think we ended up more like the normal
hardball and no polarity, as the sender went very deep and got his aha
(which is still great). We are not sure how to do the "switch"
to polarity, and would greatly appreciate your sharing of the experiences.
Basic TTP, the Polarity Process, and recently, Half-a-Yoga seem to require
some hands-on training by a practitioner.
is an extension of TTP that integrates philosophy, a physical workout,
stress relief and problem solving. It works by developing individual
forms and then combining them all in one moment of now.
am preparing an update of the TTP Process Page to include these new
Thu, 1 Jul 2004
Intention of FRUSTRATION????
I am currently experiencing the feeling of frustration. Normally I would
distract myself and consciously convince myself that it will pass.
However, this time I am embracing my feeling of frustration and have not
had an AHA in terms of it's positive intention yet.
What is the positive intention of frustration?
can intend various positive results. You can find the ones
particular to you with TTP.
cousin of risk control.