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The Trading Tribe
Associates Program
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The Trading Tribe Associates Program
provides an opportunity to work directly with Ed
on an original research project
and to further the work of The Trading Tribe.
To apply to the program,
send your research idea to FAQ
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Associate Reports
The Grab-a-Profit
Trading System
by Mark Sleeman
http://www.mscapmgmt.com/grab
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Sample Comments
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Tuesday,
March 10, 2009
Hello Mark,
Tonight I read your description of the GRAB System linked to the
Trading Tribe Web site and feel great affinity for your experience.
Your documentation is very engaging about the initial goal, your
journey to build and test a counter-trend system that takes the pros
to the cleaners, and disperses your stomach knots from whipsaw
action. Your coup de grace: the system does not play with the big
dogs (major trends) missing them altogether (almost) and loses money
overall. Thank you for documenting this valuable work for the rest
of us.
Four weeks ago I join Ed’s Incline Village Trading Tribe where we
are working on a personal goal for 10 meetings. My goal is to
incorporate NLP and System Dynamics into my current trend-following
system and trade real money on it, by June 1, 2009. I also conduct
market testing to determine whether I want to trade money for
others. Question for you: how do you enjoy being a CTA?
At Tribe I really enjoy meeting other committed traders. Already
four persons are friends and among the most compatible people I meet
in my lifetime (60 years so far). Trading is my fourth career. Wish
I had discovered it earlier!
I also attend the next workshop on April 24. How about you?
Lastly, a year ago November my wife and I spent 3 weeks touring your
country of New Zealand and loved it. My goal was fly fishing and it
was great, especially around Garston on South Island and on the
Tongariro near Lake Taupo. Wonderful friendly people everywhere too.
Best regards,
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Thursday,
March 5, 2009
Mark,
What an excellent piece of research.
Thanks and all the best. |
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Sunday, 1 March 2009
Dear Mark,
Thank you for your work that you posted to the Trading Tribe website
regarding your back testing of the GRAB system. I have a feeling I will
be reviewing your work frequently!
Best to you, |
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Sunday, 1 March 2009
Hi, Mark!
I just read your article on Ed's Site and enjoyed it very much.
You are certainly right about how others (me, for instance) feel about
wanting to catch the lows and sell the highs. I'm glad you did some
number crunching to help remind me that some times "feelings" need to
take a back seat to "logic."
Well, I see by the calendar this morning that Spring is only 21 days
away for me, so I guess that means you are approaching Fall, as it were.
Personally, I like it much better as the days grow longer rather than
shorter, so I'm glad to be here in Montana right now, but I'd still like
to visit NZ one day, and I've got a brand new reason: My cousin, who
married one of your fellow countrymen a few months ago, just waved
bye-bye to all of her Montana buds and headed to Auckland with Hubby, so
he can return to school and get that degree in Biology; they've extended
an invitation to come visit. I wonder what I'll be doing six months from
now, which sounds like about the perfect time to head Down Under?
Thanks again for your research, and for sharing it!
Good day, Mate
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Dear Mr. Sleeman,
I believe your research also shows that all back testing parameters are
system specific and take us to curve fitting parameters. It's not a
terrible
discovery. Let's say you buy on breakouts, and you have an optimal
parameter
range between 120-140, optimal range written by Mr. ED SEYKOTA for gold
(on
trend following examples page). This range is optimal for gold, but may
be
not for the other futures. All markets have different characteristics and
in
each of them we find different set of optimal parameters. You say that,
The
GRAB system only works well during the rare times that its parameters
are in
sync with the market action. Yes, but the same holds true for breakouts
as
well. So, why it's a terrible discovery.
At the end we could also say that it does not have to be optimal for all
of
them. We can test all 15 markets and come up with a set of parameters
which work generally on all of them. But the same holds true for
retracements, we can run a system test and we find a general set of
parameters which will let you jump in many times, why it has to be
40-80.
I accept that buying on breakouts has an advantage of not missing the
big
move, because the price many not come back again, and it's whole point
of
trend following. But it doesn't mean that you can't buy on retracements,
it
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Friday,
February 27, 2009
Thanks, Mark Sleeman, for the GRAB system project.
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Friday,
February 27, 2009
Mark,
Thank you so much for sharing your walk-thru process on your
development of the GRAB system. It is very insightful.
Did you learn to code trading systems on your own?
Congratulations on all your success my friend.
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Friday,
February 27, 2009
Mark,
I am a trend following trader and close follower of Ed Seykota's TT
site. I see your research project posted on Ed's TT FAQ site and read it
voraciously, first reading quickly and then going back over it more
slowly several more times. I am struck by the similarity of our
experiences when trading. I feel frustration with whipsawed trades, fear
of failure when following my system during drawdowns, thoughts of "I can
beat my system", and infrequently take trades that are 'bargain
hunting', to medicate my judgment of these feelings (this bargain
hunting loses me $). My 'aha' in reading your research project: my
"trading feelings" are natural, common, and healthy. I commit to
experience my "trading feelings" without judgment. Thank you for your
great contribution to fellow traders!
Note to
Seykota-Sensei,
Thank you for sharing your wisdom. Now back to my "wax on, wax off" back
testing and "paint the fence" position sizing studies.
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Friday,
February 27, 2009
Dear Mark,
Thank you for your work that you posted to the Trading Tribe website
regarding your back testing of the GRAB system. I have a feeling I will
be reviewing your work frequently!
Best to you, |
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Friday,
February 27, 2009
Dear Mr. Sleeman:
I thank you for your time and effort to help reader understand the value
and importance of back testing. I have been avoiding this important
process (back testing) up to now. Your work is step by step and very easy
to understand for anybody. I sincerely thank you for your contribution.
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